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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. Sorry, too nuanced
Either you love him or you hate him. What did you think we wanted to have? A reasoned debate? Pfft.

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  -Facts please, on the reasons to dislike or hate Hugo Chavez or his party upi402  Jun-06-06 09:41 PM   #0 
  - He's a.......SOCIALIST! he wants to use the resources of his nation to  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 09:45 PM   #1 
  - yes, socialism, especially southish of the equator, is a virus...  Jigarotta   Jun-06-06 09:52 PM   #8 
  - yeah....and what about those damn Swedes and Finns and stuff  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 09:58 PM   #16 
     - and those commie Canadians too! nt  Jigarotta   Jun-06-06 09:59 PM   #18 
        - how could I forget....training terrists to get over here and steal  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 10:15 PM   #28 
           - um, can I break into this love fest and  upi402   Jun-06-06 11:08 PM   #55 
              - now you've gone too FAR, vraiment! alons y!  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 11:19 PM   #61 
  - There are Socialist Democratics but the Party is not Leninist or Marxist.  carl_pwccaman   Jun-07-06 10:18 PM   #124 
  - thanks for the link  knowbody0   Jun-06-06 09:48 PM   #2 
  - Trying to get facts out of the Chavez bashers here is like  diamondsndust   Jun-06-06 09:49 PM   #3 
  - Popcorn: CHECK  file83   Jun-08-06 11:27 PM   #159 
  - I like him simply because he pisses * off.  Buck Laser   Jun-06-06 09:49 PM   #4 
  - If you are *ss you hate him because he nationalized the oil wells  jwirr   Jun-06-06 09:50 PM   #5 
  - Chomsky on US Hysteria about Chavez...  Jigarotta   Jun-06-06 09:51 PM   #6 
  - Thanks to postman and greyhound  upi402   Jun-06-06 09:53 PM   #9 
  - I don't hate him  BayCityProgressive   Jun-06-06 09:53 PM   #10 
  - well, I hope it Does spread.  Jigarotta   Jun-06-06 09:58 PM   #14 
  - so  BayCityProgressive   Jun-06-06 10:00 PM   #21 
     - is chavez a communist?  Jigarotta   Jun-06-06 10:23 PM   #37 
     - I never said Chavez was communist  BayCityProgressive   Jun-06-06 10:49 PM   #49 
        - not as tyrannical as bush then...  Jigarotta   Jun-06-06 10:54 PM   #50 
           - Unless you count...  vogonjiltz   Jun-07-06 01:38 AM   #101 
              - This link might be helpful, if you've not seen it:  Judi Lynn   Jun-07-06 01:50 AM   #107 
     - i think it would've done fine without US impediments for decades  upi402   Jun-06-06 11:18 PM   #59 
     - Ahh Bill Hicks  Djinn   Jun-07-06 12:19 AM   #80 
        - 2 sides of the same damn coin  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:26 AM   #83 
  - He has failings  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 09:59 PM   #17 
     - 'hater' labe is probably meant in a generic way. I know I didn't say it  upi402   Jun-06-06 11:23 PM   #63 
  - Human Rights Watch on Chavez...  carl_pwccaman   Jun-06-06 10:40 PM   #46 
  - Chomsky on minimizing Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge Apologism  carl_pwccaman   Jun-06-06 11:08 PM   #54 
  - what Chomsky actually said:  Douglas Carpenter   Jun-07-06 12:04 AM   #77 
  - what chomsky really said AND what his detracter REALLY said  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:13 AM   #78 
  - your post is just another reason  Djinn   Jun-07-06 01:20 AM   #98 
     - But his disputed reputation on the issue is good for Democrats how?  carl_pwccaman   Jun-07-06 05:34 PM   #117 
        - um what?  Djinn   Jun-07-06 08:36 PM   #119 
        - DU, Democrats, Chomsky defense reactions, not helpful  carl_pwccaman   Jun-07-06 09:57 PM   #121 
           - so what if people see Chomsky as problematic  Djinn   Jun-07-06 10:46 PM   #125 
        - Ah, so it doesn't matter whether attacks on a person are TRUE or not  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-09-06 09:32 AM   #170 
  - But they were right wingers, so that's okay  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 11:45 PM   #70 
  - There we go! Thanks. And this from Amnesty was before Chavez  upi402   Jun-06-06 11:46 PM   #71 
  - Chavez - the media and free speech  Douglas Carpenter   Jun-06-06 11:54 PM   #74 
  - Would you be good enough to find the part which proves Chavez  Judi Lynn   Jun-07-06 04:29 AM   #112 
     - Are you concerned about some of what Human Rights Watch is saying?  carl_pwccaman   Jun-07-06 05:37 PM   #118 
  - Great link. Thank you.  Vidar   Jun-07-06 03:54 AM   #111 
  - kick (nt)  stepnw1f   Jun-06-06 09:52 PM   #7 
  - I don't hate him  northzax   Jun-06-06 09:54 PM   #11 
  - Sorry, too nuanced  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 09:58 PM   #15 
  - yes, actually n/t  upi402   Jun-06-06 10:08 PM   #23 
  - OK sure. But lets be honest -we shoot their elected leaders and unionists  upi402   Jun-06-06 10:07 PM   #22 
     - so because he's doing the same thing we condemn the US for doing  northzax   Jun-06-06 10:13 PM   #26 
        - no, really i don't think that way at all  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:46 AM   #87 
        - Don't know about you  Djinn   Jun-07-06 01:27 AM   #99 
  - See the new Noam Chomsky article on Chavez and the US anti-Chavez  Peace Patriot   Jun-06-06 09:56 PM   #12 
  - Chavez might step over the line occasionally  Demo5   Jun-06-06 10:00 PM   #20 
  - to be fair, Venezuela has a long and storied tradition of coups  northzax   Jun-06-06 10:15 PM   #30 
  - The Bolivar movement (and coup) and the Zapatista movement  upi402   Jun-07-06 01:12 AM   #95 
  - I believe almost every party that has held presidency in Venezuela  1932   Jun-07-06 10:56 PM   #127 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-07-06 10:04 PM   #122 
     - Venezuelans wrote into constitution that ability to "pack" the court  1932   Jun-07-06 11:02 PM   #128 
     - I frankly don't know of a freer press and media in the whole world  Douglas Carpenter   Jun-09-06 03:12 AM   #163 
     - Lots of stuff about torture on the HRW US page:  struggle4progress   Jun-08-06 08:54 PM   #146 
     - Venezuela's neighbor Colombia seems to have a human rights crisis:  struggle4progress   Jun-08-06 08:57 PM   #147 
     - compared to....  Douglas Carpenter   Jun-09-06 03:00 AM   #162 
  - sure, his reforms may be 'genuine'  northzax   Jun-06-06 10:11 PM   #24 
  - Venezuela is getting 'richer', economy is booming  rman   Jun-09-06 04:59 AM   #167 
  - This is the same thing I find  upi402   Jun-06-06 10:15 PM   #29 
     - one fact that I keep posting, and the Chavezistas keep ignoring...  northzax   Jun-06-06 10:19 PM   #33 
        - Stratfor considers #1 most likely  charlie   Jun-06-06 10:26 PM   #39 
        - they say! are those theys the Somesays from Faux News?  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 10:37 PM   #45 
           - Blam! One messenger dead  charlie   Jun-06-06 10:49 PM   #48 
              - like I said....too freakin' funny  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 11:03 PM   #52 
                 - Aw hell, forget it  charlie   Jun-06-06 11:14 PM   #57 
                    - hey...lighten up....I missed the first part of your presentation.  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 11:16 PM   #58 
                    - Hey, light up  charlie   Jun-06-06 11:24 PM   #65 
                    - but Chavez is a fifth columnist  northzax   Jun-06-06 11:27 PM   #67 
                       - Seems like big oil and opec are not open to a revolutionary socialist  upi402   Jun-08-06 09:12 PM   #149 
                          - is this the audited statement in question?  upi402   Jun-08-06 10:33 PM   #150 
                             - read the date  northzax   Jun-08-06 10:49 PM   #153 
                                - Thanks. Yes I knew the date and it was late -the reason obvious  upi402   Jun-08-06 11:21 PM   #156 
                                   - that's the reason you have an independant audit  northzax   Jun-09-06 09:17 AM   #168 
                    - who says it isn't?  northzax   Jun-06-06 11:25 PM   #66 
                    - you can't win, you know  northzax   Jun-06-06 11:18 PM   #60 
                    - so who made you the expert? can't win with the likes of you,  Gabi Hayes   Jun-07-06 12:01 AM   #75 
                       - and......no answer. That should tell you all you need to know about that  U4ikLefty   Jun-07-06 12:34 AM   #84 
                          - you are correct, the agenda was clear  northzax   Jun-07-06 08:01 AM   #115 
                    - I for one would like to know what's up. If they're in over their heads  greyhound1966   Jun-06-06 11:43 PM   #69 
        - could you find the source for that snip please?  upi402   Jun-07-06 01:18 AM   #97 
  - Is it permissable to just not think he's the greatest thing since sliced  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 09:56 PM   #13 
  - of COURSE not! where do you think you are? DU?  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 10:00 PM   #19 
  - hey, he knows how to put down a coup  northzax   Jun-06-06 10:13 PM   #27 
     - could you expound please n/t  upi402   Jun-06-06 10:17 PM   #32 
        - he led a coup of his own in 1992  northzax   Jun-06-06 10:20 PM   #35 
           - righto! DAMN that Sam Adams, anyway.  Gabi Hayes   Jun-07-06 12:03 AM   #76 
  - No labelling here. Why do you 'dislike' him was the O/P  upi402   Jun-06-06 10:16 PM   #31 
     - I don't dislike him so much as the almost hero worship I see from  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 10:36 PM   #44 
        - gadflys are good, i figure  upi402   Jun-07-06 01:14 AM   #96 
        - But gadflies risk being swiped when they bite the donkey's ass  carl_pwccaman   Jun-07-06 10:12 PM   #123 
        - does that apply to crticism of Democrats?  Djinn   Jun-07-06 01:35 AM   #100 
           - don't I know it  upi402   Jun-07-06 01:44 AM   #103 
              - well, when one is on a board dedicated to the Democratic Party  northzax   Jun-08-06 11:05 PM   #155 
  - I would like him a lot better if he keeps his nose out of other  RagingInMiami   Jun-06-06 10:12 PM   #25 
  - now THAT's funny! are you a comedian, or what?  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 10:20 PM   #34 
  - ahh, the old double standard again  northzax   Jun-06-06 10:23 PM   #36 
  - Coup by others: bad. Coup by Chavez: good.  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 10:33 PM   #42 
  - I think we're on the same page  northzax   Jun-06-06 11:22 PM   #62 
  - Do you really feel you're playing with us?  upi402   Jun-08-06 12:20 AM   #140 
     - anyone who has blind faith  northzax   Jun-08-06 09:32 AM   #142 
        - You have studied and investigated the allegations and find them valid?  upi402   Jun-08-06 08:23 PM   #144 
           - I've seen allegations from the well known evildoers at...  northzax   Jun-08-06 11:03 PM   #154 
              - LOL, yep I saw that, look below the surface. Who lodged them. and why  upi402   Jun-08-06 11:24 PM   #157 
                 - why does it have to have his fingerprints directly?  northzax   Jun-09-06 09:28 AM   #169 
                    - if you look, it's anti-Chavez mayors, troops from the old regime, paid  upi402   Jun-10-06 02:24 AM   #178 
  - Okay, show me how Chavez (as opposed to Bu$h) has taken  U4ikLefty   Jun-07-06 12:53 AM   #90 
  - it couldn't really have been worse  northzax   Jun-08-06 09:35 AM   #143 
  - Have you looked into the "press" there?  upi402   Jun-08-06 09:06 PM   #148 
  - I certainly don't  Djinn   Jun-07-06 01:38 AM   #102 
     - o/t but do you have a link for your sig line? n/t  upi402   Jun-07-06 01:47 AM   #105 
        - it's from the rightsatwork campaign  Djinn   Jun-07-06 02:02 AM   #109 
           - Thanks, it's bookmarked  upi402   Jun-07-06 02:08 AM   #110 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-06-06 10:23 PM   #38 
  - I think you made my point quite eloquently, friend.  Gabi Hayes   Jun-06-06 10:35 PM   #43 
  - Attempting to influence Peruvian elections  Marie26   Jun-07-06 12:53 AM   #91 
     - "Narrowly escaped OAS sanctions"??? Peru was ONLY country who wanted  1932   Jun-07-06 10:51 PM   #126 
        - i thought the comment to mexico was alright too. not persuaded  upi402   Jun-07-06 11:09 PM   #129 
           - I remember when Vicente Fox blew up after Chavez called him a lap dog,  Judi Lynn   Jun-07-06 11:20 PM   #131 
  - What in particular is your concern?  upi402   Jun-06-06 10:30 PM   #40 
  - Governments of various Latin American nations do collaborate  rman   Jun-09-06 04:52 AM   #165 
  - Good luck - there aren't many.  Zhade   Jun-06-06 10:30 PM   #41 
  - I don't know enough about the man to go too far into it  DemonFighterLives   Jun-06-06 10:41 PM   #47 
  - I could go along with that  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 11:02 PM   #51 
     - Just curious what was reason behind mal feelings - dissent always!  upi402   Jun-06-06 11:06 PM   #53 
     - That's cool. My mal feeling come mostly not from Chavez  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-06 11:50 PM   #72 
        - I know  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:40 AM   #86 
           - I was suckered by Colin too. And I don't want to fail  LittleClarkie   Jun-07-06 09:41 AM   #116 
     - who has said here  Djinn   Jun-07-06 01:49 AM   #106 
     - You will not see me unwaver  DemonFighterLives   Jun-07-06 07:48 AM   #113 
  - He's a native american who has the support of the  Cleita   Jun-06-06 11:10 PM   #56 
  - as long as he is elected, i don't dislike him  cushla_machree   Jun-06-06 11:23 PM   #64 
  - This is the danger.  Cleita   Jun-06-06 11:34 PM   #68 
  - True. 2 things -power corrupts and law of unintended consequences  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:21 AM   #81 
     - Latin America has  Marie26   Jun-07-06 12:36 AM   #85 
        - for now lets enjoy the honeymoon  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:48 AM   #88 
  - Ironically, the press is not free there because the corporations that own  greyhound1966   Jun-06-06 11:51 PM   #73 
  - Venezuela corporate media directly caused murders -nuff said for me  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:14 AM   #79 
  - He doesn't subvert the free press. 90% of it is owned and operated by  Viva_La_Revolution   Jun-07-06 12:51 AM   #89 
  - welcome to DU  upi402   Jun-07-06 01:04 AM   #94 
  - If ANY US President  Djinn   Jun-07-06 01:56 AM   #108 
  - Participated in military coup attempt in the 90's.  Marie26   Jun-07-06 12:23 AM   #82 
  - I was looking at human rights abuses before 1998  upi402   Jun-07-06 12:58 AM   #93 
  - With enormous popular support, pardoned afterwards...  rman   Jun-09-06 04:53 AM   #166 
  - That is also a reason to hate George Washington  izzybeans   Jun-09-06 09:37 AM   #171 
  - His worst "crimes" are with overblown rhetoric  killbotfactory   Jun-07-06 12:53 AM   #92 
  - Are you an alternate-universe version of me who jumped dimensions?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-09-06 09:43 AM   #172 
  - I like him.  vogonjiltz   Jun-07-06 01:47 AM   #104 
  - The Generals of Argentina were our allies....  Bridget Burke   Jun-07-06 07:56 AM   #114 
  - Why look for reasons to hate someone? eom  im10ashus   Jun-07-06 08:37 PM   #120 
  - Human Rights Abuse charge refuted -here's the snip;  upi402   Jun-07-06 11:18 PM   #130 
  - Maria Corina Machado has some truly repulsive friends.  Judi Lynn   Jun-07-06 11:23 PM   #132 
  - Bush State Department using questionable charges for its HR report  upi402   Jun-07-06 11:28 PM   #133 
     - Well worth reading. It makes points people here have tried to communicate  Judi Lynn   Jun-08-06 12:30 AM   #141 
        - yeah, FBI interrogating a Venez. professor in LA as Venez. gets a nod  upi402   Jun-08-06 08:35 PM   #145 
  - 2005 State Department Report analyzed  upi402   Jun-07-06 11:39 PM   #134 
  - Car sales up 74% in May in Venezuela. Inflation lowest since 1986  truthseeker777   Jun-07-06 11:53 PM   #135 
  - welcome  upi402   Jun-07-06 11:57 PM   #137 
  - sorry truthseeker, I hit the wrong button  upi402   Jun-08-06 12:13 AM   #138 
     - no problem  truthseeker777   Jun-08-06 12:17 AM   #139 
  - The reason why -HR abuses back story  upi402   Jun-07-06 11:55 PM   #136 
  - Does anyone else see the irony in this?  letsgonova19087   Jun-08-06 10:41 PM   #151 
  - Huh? I don't follow.  1932   Jun-08-06 11:59 PM   #160 
  - He hates freedom(tm)?  Rex   Jun-08-06 10:43 PM   #152 
  - self-delete  file83   Jun-08-06 11:26 PM   #158 
  - Well, he paid off Argentina's debt to the World Bank...so he must die  LaPera   Jun-09-06 01:24 AM   #161 
  - You've painted the big picture, I think  upi402   Jun-10-06 02:42 AM   #181 
  - Official DU Hugo Chavez Right-Wing Falsehood Debunking Thread  rman   Jun-09-06 04:46 AM   #164 
  - Thanks for posting this. It points out the very same right-wing charges  Judi Lynn   Jun-09-06 10:27 AM   #173 
  - debunk from your 1st link  upi402   Jun-10-06 01:34 AM   #174 
  - State Department -"may have erred" in accusing Venez of human trafficking  upi402   Jun-10-06 01:53 AM   #175 
  - This's about the most obnoxious situation I've EVER heard!  Judi Lynn   Jun-10-06 02:23 AM   #177 
  - Positive PROOF, Chavez is A-OK  upi402   Jun-10-06 02:11 AM   #176 
     - Priceless. Venezuelans voted for Hugo Chavez in LANDSLIDE  Judi Lynn   Jun-10-06 02:26 AM   #179 
        - Sometimes leaders show up who do a great disservice to the traditions and  upi402   Jun-10-06 02:37 AM   #180 
  - My only problem with him is he goes a bit too far with rhetoric sometimes  killbotfactory   Jun-10-06 02:52 AM   #182 
     - It's hardly worse then some of the criticism of W in the US  rman   Jun-10-06 06:53 AM   #183 
 

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