TechBear_Seattle
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Mon Jun-05-06 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #4 |
| 6. Actually, I think he's doing great by constantly bringing this up |
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Rangel has observed that while most Americans oppose the occupation of Iraq, they have no motivation for taking to the streets against the "war." He believes that a mandatory draft will spark opposition, in the same way that the draft was the focus of opposition against the Vietnam conflict.
Yes, the bill has almost no chance of being made in to law; but that is the point. First off, by keeping the bill active, it keeps the matter in the public eye. Since it was first introduced in 2002, it has caused public outcry against conscription and helped shine a light on the path we will have to take if this unpopular war continues. Second, it has forced the Repugs to say over and over again, "We will not implement a draft." If Rangel were to stop introducing this bill, which emphasizes universal service by all young Americans, it will become much, much easier for the Repugs to pass similar legislation that will draft only poorer Americans and leave their own precious hellspawn to attend drunken frat parties and organize Young Republican campus events to condemn draft resisters.
As long as Rangel's bill is on the table, there is no room for other conscription bills. That his bill would never pass is a feature, not a bug.
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ama |
Jun-05-06 07:54 AM |
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I can't put myself in a position to tell others how or if they serve |
madokie |
Jun-05-06 07:57 AM |
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The American people will not support this. |
Daphne08 |
Jun-05-06 08:08 AM |
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Since when has Congress and/or the pResident given a flying fuck |
paparush |
Jun-05-06 09:11 AM |
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You've got a point there! |
NoSheep |
Jun-05-06 09:20 AM |
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I (and I am an American) Support It Completely |
ThomWV |
Jun-05-06 08:11 AM |
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You have got to b e kidding. |
bowens43 |
Jun-05-06 08:18 AM |
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First-let me be clear. I DO NOT support a draft. I have two teen- |
carolinalady |
Jun-05-06 08:43 AM |
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I'm with you Carolina Lady- I have 2 draft age boys as well |
PuraVidaDreamin |
Jun-05-06 09:15 AM |
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Do you seriously think... |
Blackthorn |
Jun-05-06 10:16 PM |
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it didn't stop vietnam or korea... |
nebenaube |
Jun-06-06 08:36 AM |
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"slavery"?? Where are my reparations? |
TahitiNut |
Jun-05-06 12:02 PM |
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Forced servitude is explicitly forbidden in the federal constitution |
Book Lover |
Jun-05-06 03:58 PM |
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Nonsense. The courts have debunked this several times, including SCOTUS. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-05-06 04:14 PM |
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The word is "Denied," not "Debunked" |
Book Lover |
Jun-05-06 04:27 PM |
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And the word is also "democracy" |
TahitiNut |
Jun-05-06 04:47 PM |
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We NEVER got rid of the Draft |
Spangle |
Jun-05-06 11:48 AM |
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But girls don't have to register |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-05-06 12:57 PM |
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Wasn't acceptable at the time. |
Spangle |
Jun-05-06 01:37 PM |
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Thanks for that |
kgfnally |
Jun-05-06 11:55 AM |
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I'll go out on the limb and say I'm for it |
dmesg |
Jun-05-06 02:58 PM |
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yeah |
realisticphish |
Jun-05-06 03:45 PM |
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Well, I'm also against draftees being in the theater of operations |
dmesg |
Jun-05-06 04:42 PM |
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interesting idea |
realisticphish |
Jun-05-06 05:00 PM |
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Rangel is a fucking idiot. |
bowens43 |
Jun-05-06 08:17 AM |
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Actually, I think he's doing great by constantly bringing this up |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-05-06 08:41 AM |
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And suppose, maybe, just maybe, this bill passes |
MadHound |
Jun-05-06 09:22 AM |
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If this bill were to pass... |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-05-06 09:31 AM |
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Sorry, I'm not willing to bet the lives of men and women |
MadHound |
Jun-05-06 10:00 AM |
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I understand your concerns... |
Javaman |
Jun-05-06 10:25 AM |
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Then if such a draft bill is poison to Bush |
MadHound |
Jun-05-06 10:41 AM |
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If you have noticed one thing about moron*, he* never calls anyones... |
Javaman |
Jun-05-06 11:00 AM |
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Bush is a coward |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-05-06 12:59 PM |
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Republicans seem to like this bill too |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jun-05-06 02:53 PM |
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Whether or not you agree with him, he's not a "fucking idiot" |
LostinVA |
Jun-05-06 09:18 AM |
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Sorry, but I stopped believing in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus long ago |
MadHound |
Jun-05-06 10:37 AM |
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You said |
ABaker |
Jun-05-06 10:39 AM |
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No, I'd stay it isn't |
LostinVA |
Jun-05-06 12:07 PM |
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Definitely. I don't see the wisdom in this but that is just plain harsh |
rinsd |
Jun-05-06 03:04 PM |
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we need the draft |
mdmc |
Jun-05-06 09:21 AM |
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That's right- It's called an economic draft and it's happening right now |
PuraVidaDreamin |
Jun-05-06 09:30 AM |
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It makes for a good soundbite but its wrong. |
rinsd |
Jun-05-06 03:06 PM |
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we wouldn't be there if the twins and chelsea clinton had to fight |
mdmc |
Jun-05-06 03:14 PM |
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C'mon now |
rinsd |
Jun-05-06 03:32 PM |
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if the twins and chels had to fight |
mdmc |
Jun-05-06 04:25 PM |
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Not really. |
rinsd |
Jun-05-06 04:53 PM |
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if the twins and chelsea had to fight |
mdmc |
Jun-05-06 07:45 PM |
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aw geez.... |
Sammy Pepys |
Jun-05-06 09:18 AM |
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You can bet you ass the rethugs will fight this tooth and nail. |
unhappycamper |
Jun-05-06 09:20 AM |
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There are enough exceptions |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jun-05-06 09:42 AM |
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how much you wanna bet... |
tomp |
Jun-05-06 10:11 AM |
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between the ages of 18-42 |
helderheid |
Jun-05-06 10:13 AM |
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Gulp |
there-s a |
Jun-05-06 10:46 AM |
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2nd that gulp from the31 year old married to a 37 year old |
helderheid |
Jun-05-06 10:53 AM |
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The bill *does* allow for conscientious objection |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-05-06 02:01 PM |
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Reading that makes me want to smash something |
StellaBlue |
Jun-05-06 02:26 PM |
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Probably up to age 26 |
Pugee |
Jun-06-06 09:27 PM |
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Said it last night, say it again: I am TOTALLY OPPOSED to ANY draft or |
StellaBlue |
Jun-05-06 10:13 AM |
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WHERE do you guys think these kids will serve? |
Spangle |
Jun-05-06 10:25 AM |
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It's all political..... |
Sammy Pepys |
Jun-05-06 10:43 AM |
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Ah.. but it will... |
Spangle |
Jun-05-06 11:45 AM |
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Who Is A Patriot Who Will Not Serve? |
ThomWV |
Jun-05-06 11:03 AM |
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Me. A Quaker patriot. |
helderheid |
Jun-05-06 11:18 AM |
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Accepted ... who else? |
ThomWV |
Jun-05-06 11:24 AM |
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Me |
557188 |
Jun-05-06 11:51 AM |
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Gay man here- no, never, will refuse |
kgfnally |
Jun-05-06 11:52 AM |
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moved |
kgfnally |
Jun-05-06 11:50 AM |
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There isn't a prison large enough . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-05-06 11:55 AM |
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The problem of inadequate facilities is easily remedied. |
TahitiNut |
Jun-05-06 12:54 PM |
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I don't know if I'm misreading you . . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-05-06 01:36 PM |
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Do you pay taxes so others do the fighting and dying? |
TahitiNut |
Jun-05-06 02:23 PM |
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Proud to say |
StellaBlue |
Jun-05-06 02:55 PM |
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I DID read your references. |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-05-06 03:12 PM |
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"...nothing you can say is ever GOING to get me to agree..." |
TahitiNut |
Jun-05-06 05:08 PM |
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"military service OR a period of civilian service" |
Rosco T. |
Jun-05-06 03:35 PM |
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Looks like JAIL or DEAD.... |
danagsk8 |
Jun-05-06 03:43 PM |
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Nah... they can't conscript millions of people. |
StellaBlue |
Jun-05-06 03:44 PM |
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It'll NEVER pass |
DiverDave |
Jun-05-06 03:52 PM |
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Of course the rich wouldn't want their kids in uniform... |
Doctor Venmkan |
Jun-05-06 06:17 PM |
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"for the common defense" |
realisticphish |
Jun-05-06 03:54 PM |
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AMEN |
StellaBlue |
Jun-05-06 03:59 PM |
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Thank you |
realisticphish |
Jun-05-06 04:16 PM |
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Thanks, and me, too. |
StellaBlue |
Jun-05-06 04:35 PM |
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I'll serve only if the cause is just and leaders are honourable |
hpot |
Jun-05-06 04:12 PM |
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What if the "draft" were a mandatory 2-year public service? |
dmesg |
Jun-05-06 05:56 PM |
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NOPE |
StellaBlue |
Jun-05-06 07:50 PM |
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In the Army and against it |
DutyHonorCountry |
Jun-06-06 01:24 AM |
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To draft people today is to send them to their deaths in an immoral and |
Sapere aude |
Jun-05-06 06:19 PM |
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Kicked and Recommended |
Jeffersons Ghost |
Jun-05-06 09:36 PM |
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redundant bill sent to committee links below...05/26/2005 |
hedgetrimmer |
Jun-05-06 10:52 PM |
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Dems better not get serious about this |
Wabbajack |
Jun-05-06 11:55 PM |
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WTF??? Rangel??? |
SlipperySlope |
Jun-06-06 12:22 AM |
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Cool, I always wanted to wear jack boots and demand peoples "papers"... |
file83 |
Jun-06-06 03:01 AM |
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The argument that by making the war machine really really |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-06-06 07:37 AM |
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Welcome to D.U.! Women should not be included till we get the E.R.A.! |
Strong Atheist |
Jun-06-06 02:23 PM |
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