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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:44 AM
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72. "Moderated?" What about the millions of dead people in SE Asia?
Remember Vietnam and Cambodia? Unfortunately, I do.

I am trying to understand your perspective cigsandcoffee: you want to be proud of America, right?

So do I and every male in my family who has served in the military, but I keep getting bombarded with these pesky things called facts about places like, El Salvador, Panama, Iraq, Chile, Nicaragua...

"One need only look at the European record of Colonialism... It's good we've moderated - not every country does." - Red Herring fallacy.

Have you watched Fox News lately?

Have you read about the German Weimar Republic and what happened?

Have you been to a concentration camp?

Well, I have and I also have bad news for you: the U.S. Government is now a constitutional dictatorship, and will descend very rapidly into fascist police state if we don't stop it now.

Had you been living with me in New Orleans last year, you would understand quite viscerally what is happening to our country.


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  -I am sad and worried about being an American. babylonsister  Jun-04-06 10:32 PM   #0 
  - Two solutions to your dilemma:  MercutioATC   Jun-04-06 10:36 PM   #1 
  - Actually, I have pulled the Canadian. But just as frequently  babylonsister   Jun-04-06 10:44 PM   #4 
  - A few years back I met foreigners who said they knew it was our gov.  PuraVidaDreamin   Jun-04-06 10:42 PM   #2 
  - I will never be ashamed to be American  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 10:44 PM   #3 
  - Yeah. Sure. NT  Benhurst   Jun-04-06 10:47 PM   #5 
  - You equate this admin with morality; I beg to differ. Show me  babylonsister   Jun-04-06 10:48 PM   #6 
  - I didn't equate this admin to morality  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 10:49 PM   #7 
  - they have proved to show us  alyce douglas   Jun-05-06 10:26 AM   #135 
  - Let's try this again. Deeper claim to morality? The US under  babylonsister   Jun-04-06 11:00 PM   #9 
  - I am speaking historically  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:02 PM   #10 
     - He is RUINING our nation! Please understand that!  babylonsister   Jun-04-06 11:14 PM   #13 
     - I wouldn't go that far  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:21 PM   #19 
     - "KIND OF embarrassing"???? "KIND OF"???????  kestrel91316   Jun-05-06 12:39 AM   #66 
     - KIND OF EMBARRASSING????(*&^%$#@#$%^&& OMG!  in_cog_ni_to   Jun-05-06 10:33 AM   #138 
     - Trail of Tears, Japanese internment camps,  adigal   Jun-05-06 12:48 PM   #144 
     - plus he is not open to open dialogue with other nations  alyce douglas   Jun-05-06 10:29 AM   #136 
     - What??  TomInTib   Jun-04-06 11:15 PM   #14 
     - Oh, please  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:25 PM   #20 
        - Oh, I have been paying attention all right.  TomInTib   Jun-04-06 11:48 PM   #29 
           - The Soviet Union, for one  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:54 PM   #32 
           - But they were killing their own people.  TomInTib   Jun-05-06 12:03 AM   #34 
           - The Afghans weren't Russian, though  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:07 AM   #36 
              - First things first..  TomInTib   Jun-05-06 12:22 AM   #44 
                 - Hindsight is 20/20  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:25 AM   #46 
           - I'm sure more than a few Chileans and Nicaraguans and Salvadorans disagre  Selatius   Jun-05-06 12:38 AM   #63 
           - The US has always been involved in some sort of underhandness.  alyce douglas   Jun-05-06 10:32 AM   #137 
     - my friend, you don't know much about history...  mike_c   Jun-04-06 11:40 PM   #25 
     - Little puny atrocities  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:47 PM   #28 
        - Dunno if I'd include the Panama Canal  charlie   Jun-04-06 11:52 PM   #31 
        - And the world got an incredible tool...  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:55 PM   #33 
           - Well, I'll grab your car  charlie   Jun-05-06 12:03 AM   #35 
              - Panama is thrilled to have the Canal  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:08 AM   #37 
                 - And Colombia would've been thrilled  charlie   Jun-05-06 12:12 AM   #39 
                    - It's an imperfect world  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:17 AM   #41 
                       - Can the "move to XX" talk  charlie   Jun-05-06 12:27 AM   #51 
                       - Says you. I disagree.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:28 AM   #53 
                          - Thought so  charlie   Jun-05-06 12:36 AM   #60 
                             - I was speaking of when we gave away the Canal.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:40 AM   #68 
                                - Pshaw  charlie   Jun-05-06 12:50 AM   #76 
                                   - You're right, I should have been more clear  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:53 AM   #83 
                                      - We helped foment insurrection  charlie   Jun-05-06 12:59 AM   #90 
                                         - Well, the job was started.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:04 AM   #97 
                                         - Aiyiyi  charlie   Jun-05-06 01:14 AM   #107 
                       - 40,000 dead Iraqis are for protection or advancement?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:44 AM   #71 
                          - I'm not going to defend the Iraq War.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:49 AM   #75 
                             - Iraq question was in response to your post #41, requoted here  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:54 AM   #84 
                                - I do accept Iraq as a mistake...  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:58 AM   #87 
                                   - No, you say the Iraq invasion/occupation was an investment, a toe stubbing  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:01 AM   #91 
                                      - Who are you, F. Lee Baily?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:03 AM   #96 
                                         - no, I am merely quoting cigsandcoffee post #42  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:09 AM   #101 
                                            - Your making a show out of this... performing, even  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:14 AM   #106 
                                            - I ask you a question, using one of your quotes, you refuse to answer  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:18 AM   #111 
        - 'little puny atrocities"? 800,000 in Rwanda is puny?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:38 AM   #64 
        - We killed 800,00 in Rwanda?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:41 AM   #69 
        - We failed to stop them and responsibilty should fall more on USA  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:47 AM   #74 
           - Personally, I put the vast majority of the blame  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:59 AM   #89 
              - And secondly on the people who could have stopped it but didn't.  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:03 AM   #95 
                 - Yes, secondly.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:06 AM   #98 
                    - Our aid would have prevented much loss of life if done SOON ENOUGH  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:11 AM   #102 
        - We gave aid  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:15 AM   #108 
           - Not if they go in soon enough.  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:21 AM   #113 
        - 30,000 civilians in Nicaragua are "puny"?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:39 AM   #67 
     - Yes, but on the other hand our country began with Manifest Destiny...  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 12:22 AM   #45 
     - Well, those were the times  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:27 AM   #49 
        - "Moderated?" What about the millions of dead people in SE Asia?  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 12:44 AM   #72 
           - Fine. If that's what you believe, then have at it.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:51 AM   #80 
              - so you believe that the USA has moderated?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:59 AM   #88 
              - No, I think he's over the top  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:01 AM   #93 
                 - So you don't believe in the corporate fascist state of the USA?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:07 AM   #99 
                 - No, I don't believe in the corporate facsist stae of the USA.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:11 AM   #103 
                    - So the opposite of fascism is total equality?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:17 AM   #109 
                    - No, I was responding to your words  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:20 AM   #112 
                       - did the pilgrims have slaves?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:23 AM   #117 
                          - Are those your words about equality?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:24 AM   #118 
                             - no, you said the usa has moderated since we have no slaves today.  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:25 AM   #120 
                                - So those aren't your words about equality?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:26 AM   #121 
                                   - What are you talking about? You started with the equality stuff here  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:30 AM   #123 
                                      - Actually, no.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:34 AM   #125 
                                      - toe stubbing, little puny atrocities, f.lee.bailey, moderated since coloni  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:44 AM   #128 
                                      - Are you going to address your retraction of the equality standard?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:46 AM   #129 
                                      - ok, play your game for a few minutes, then off to bed. Do you believe  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:53 AM   #130 
                                      - No, I don't think so.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 02:20 AM   #131 
                                      - I am ineptly asking you to clarify what you have written.  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 03:07 PM   #146 
                    - Ok, but that sounds like "good German" rhetoric to me  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 01:18 AM   #110 
                 - "Ridiculous? Over the top?" I saw it here in New Orleans  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 01:12 AM   #105 
                 - *AHEM* Hello! NOLA??? Katrina VICTIMS???&^%$# n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Jun-05-06 10:37 AM   #139 
              - But your statements come off as arrogant and NOT grounded in reality.  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 01:01 AM   #92 
              - "I'm not so arrogant as to believe  Dem2theMax   Jun-05-06 01:02 AM   #94 
     - "powerful nations" is an interesting qualification.  Protagoras   Jun-05-06 12:56 PM   #145 
  - Really?  Webster Green   Jun-04-06 11:03 PM   #11 
  - Nobody is claiming perfection here  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:05 PM   #12 
     - And a lot better...  Webster Green   Jun-04-06 11:26 PM   #21 
     - HOW? Riddle me this, my cigsandcoffee friend. How could it  babylonsister   Jun-04-06 11:46 PM   #27 
        - You're free to disparage the government here  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:51 PM   #30 
           - Hah! Yeah, right. Be with the partner of your choice when your  babylonsister   Jun-05-06 12:17 AM   #40 
           - Gays can't get married.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:20 AM   #42 
              - Gays 'could' get married if the asshat in charge had a spine!  babylonsister   Jun-05-06 12:26 AM   #47 
              - Where the hell have I said I support this admin?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:34 AM   #58 
              - you do realize that in many other countries gay is ok?  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:27 AM   #48 
                 - Gay is OK here too  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:33 AM   #54 
                    - Loads more hiding, loads getting beaten down for openness  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:35 AM   #59 
           - Answers  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:34 AM   #57 
              - Well, where do you think you'd have it better?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:46 AM   #73 
                 - You do realize that OP says is afraid, and you brought up the pride  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 12:52 AM   #82 
                    - Well, I'm sorry the OP is scared.  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:55 AM   #85 
  - I understand where you're coming from...  Union Thug   Jun-04-06 11:17 PM   #15 
  - Have you lived overseas?  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:27 PM   #23 
     - not lived, but traveled extensively.  Union Thug   Jun-04-06 11:37 PM   #24 
        - Look to Sweden for growing racism and ethnic strife  cigsandcoffee   Jun-04-06 11:44 PM   #26 
           - You are knocking down straw men...  Union Thug   Jun-05-06 12:27 AM   #50 
              - Of course when you travel you wind up with more informed people  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 12:39 AM   #65 
              - A little presumptuous...  Union Thug   Jun-05-06 01:22 AM   #114 
              - Well, our experiences vary  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:41 AM   #126 
              - OK, I can agree with one of your posts, finally.  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 01:22 AM   #116 
                 - They sure as hell can  cigsandcoffee   Jun-05-06 01:42 AM   #127 
              - I agree, we Americans are not up to par.  babylonsister   Jun-05-06 12:51 AM   #79 
                 - not enough informed/educated people in the US  alyce douglas   Jun-05-06 10:43 AM   #140 
  - Egad! A country barely 200 years old holds the world's "morality" title?  MercutioATC   Jun-04-06 11:18 PM   #17 
  - My Lai, Haditha............."claim to morality" ................... Hm,  kestrel91316   Jun-05-06 12:36 AM   #61 
  - You either have an underdeveloped sense of shame or  sfexpat2000   Jun-05-06 12:42 AM   #70 
  - I'm sorry...  Blackthorn   Jun-05-06 12:51 AM   #78 
  - Whatever Mr. Clever. People ONLY judge, (with insufficient knowledge,  Random_Australian   Jun-05-06 04:53 AM   #133 
  - I agree with you, I move to Germany next Monday  48percenter   Jun-04-06 10:57 PM   #8 
  - You're moving overseas? Is  babylonsister   Jun-04-06 11:20 PM   #18 
  - I wear the red leaf in S.E. Asia  upi402   Jun-04-06 11:18 PM   #16 
  - Whoa  Truthiness Inspector   Jun-04-06 11:27 PM   #22 
  - I recently returned to Germany from a visit to the states  Solly Mack   Jun-05-06 12:08 AM   #38 
  - That's because aliens HAVE taken over the USA...  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 12:28 AM   #52 
     - LOL...true. It goes well. Du?  Solly Mack   Jun-05-06 12:33 AM   #56 
        - I got a new roof on my house yesterday!  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 12:50 AM   #77 
           - Excellent on the roof! ((((Swamp)))) for keeping your sense of humor  Solly Mack   Jun-05-06 12:56 AM   #86 
           - Du bist ein Entomologe?  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 01:30 AM   #122 
           - Ugh. I feel for ya, Swamp Rat! He's done here by 9 June, a few  babylonsister   Jun-05-06 01:08 AM   #100 
           - Yaay!!!  Swamp Rat   Jun-05-06 01:25 AM   #119 
           - Congratulations on your roof, may it hold in place and in peace.  uppityperson   Jun-05-06 01:32 AM   #124 
  - We're not moving--yet--but are building a place in Panama  mnhtnbb   Jun-05-06 12:21 AM   #43 
  - Panama is nice  Truthiness Inspector   Jun-05-06 12:33 AM   #55 
     - Welcome to DU, and I'd love to talk to you about Panama! nt  babylonsister   Jun-05-06 01:12 AM   #104 
        - Thanks  Truthiness Inspector   Jun-05-06 01:22 AM   #115 
  - quoth the Raven, NEVERMORE  Jeffersons Ghost   Jun-05-06 12:37 AM   #62 
  - Australia  TexasLawyer   Jun-05-06 12:51 AM   #81 
  - As an American living abroad....  BooScout   Jun-05-06 04:41 AM   #132 
     - Where I go, there are people who like to blow up  babylonsister   Jun-05-06 06:57 AM   #134 
        - I hate to break it to you......  BooScout   Jun-05-06 11:03 AM   #141 
           - Sigh. I didn't say I stuck maples leaves on anything. I just  babylonsister   Jun-05-06 11:08 AM   #142 
           - And soccer fans. lol n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-05-06 12:29 PM   #143 
 

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