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Sun Jun-04-06 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #23 |
| 24. not lived, but traveled extensively. |
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I agree, Britain is shithole for the working class (I maintain friendships with Irish Republican Socialists (the IRSM as opposed to the IRA))to this very day. But Britain is not exactly the rest of the world, now is it?
A simple move to the north and east to the Scandinavian countries sees a general shift in attitude (in spite of some of the current leadership). One of my father's friends, a 65 year old Swede who has lived all over the world, but now resides primarily in his native Sweden draws a telling picture of the difference between the Scandinavians and the Americans. "In Sweden, we get health care and education for our tax dollars. In the US, you get a B2 bomber rotting away in a desert hangar."
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| -I am sad and worried about being an American. |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-06 10:32 PM |
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Two solutions to your dilemma: |
MercutioATC |
Jun-04-06 10:36 PM |
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Actually, I have pulled the Canadian. But just as frequently |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-06 10:44 PM |
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A few years back I met foreigners who said they knew it was our gov. |
PuraVidaDreamin |
Jun-04-06 10:42 PM |
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I will never be ashamed to be American |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 10:44 PM |
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Yeah. Sure. NT |
Benhurst |
Jun-04-06 10:47 PM |
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You equate this admin with morality; I beg to differ. Show me |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-06 10:48 PM |
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I didn't equate this admin to morality |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 10:49 PM |
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they have proved to show us |
alyce douglas |
Jun-05-06 10:26 AM |
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Let's try this again. Deeper claim to morality? The US under |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-06 11:00 PM |
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I am speaking historically |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:02 PM |
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He is RUINING our nation! Please understand that! |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-06 11:14 PM |
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I wouldn't go that far |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:21 PM |
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"KIND OF embarrassing"???? "KIND OF"??????? |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-05-06 12:39 AM |
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KIND OF EMBARRASSING????(*&^%$#@#$%^&& OMG! |
in_cog_ni_to |
Jun-05-06 10:33 AM |
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Trail of Tears, Japanese internment camps, |
adigal |
Jun-05-06 12:48 PM |
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plus he is not open to open dialogue with other nations |
alyce douglas |
Jun-05-06 10:29 AM |
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What?? |
TomInTib |
Jun-04-06 11:15 PM |
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Oh, please |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:25 PM |
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Oh, I have been paying attention all right. |
TomInTib |
Jun-04-06 11:48 PM |
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The Soviet Union, for one |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:54 PM |
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But they were killing their own people. |
TomInTib |
Jun-05-06 12:03 AM |
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The Afghans weren't Russian, though |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:07 AM |
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First things first.. |
TomInTib |
Jun-05-06 12:22 AM |
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Hindsight is 20/20 |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:25 AM |
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I'm sure more than a few Chileans and Nicaraguans and Salvadorans disagre |
Selatius |
Jun-05-06 12:38 AM |
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The US has always been involved in some sort of underhandness. |
alyce douglas |
Jun-05-06 10:32 AM |
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my friend, you don't know much about history... |
mike_c |
Jun-04-06 11:40 PM |
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Little puny atrocities |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:47 PM |
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Dunno if I'd include the Panama Canal |
charlie |
Jun-04-06 11:52 PM |
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And the world got an incredible tool... |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:55 PM |
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Well, I'll grab your car |
charlie |
Jun-05-06 12:03 AM |
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Panama is thrilled to have the Canal |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:08 AM |
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And Colombia would've been thrilled |
charlie |
Jun-05-06 12:12 AM |
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It's an imperfect world |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:17 AM |
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Can the "move to XX" talk |
charlie |
Jun-05-06 12:27 AM |
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Says you. I disagree. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:28 AM |
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Thought so |
charlie |
Jun-05-06 12:36 AM |
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I was speaking of when we gave away the Canal. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:40 AM |
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Pshaw |
charlie |
Jun-05-06 12:50 AM |
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You're right, I should have been more clear |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:53 AM |
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We helped foment insurrection |
charlie |
Jun-05-06 12:59 AM |
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Well, the job was started. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:04 AM |
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Aiyiyi |
charlie |
Jun-05-06 01:14 AM |
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40,000 dead Iraqis are for protection or advancement? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:44 AM |
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I'm not going to defend the Iraq War. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:49 AM |
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Iraq question was in response to your post #41, requoted here |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:54 AM |
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I do accept Iraq as a mistake... |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:58 AM |
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No, you say the Iraq invasion/occupation was an investment, a toe stubbing |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:01 AM |
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Who are you, F. Lee Baily? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:03 AM |
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no, I am merely quoting cigsandcoffee post #42 |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:09 AM |
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Your making a show out of this... performing, even |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:14 AM |
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I ask you a question, using one of your quotes, you refuse to answer |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:18 AM |
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'little puny atrocities"? 800,000 in Rwanda is puny? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:38 AM |
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We killed 800,00 in Rwanda? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:41 AM |
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We failed to stop them and responsibilty should fall more on USA |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:47 AM |
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Personally, I put the vast majority of the blame |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:59 AM |
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And secondly on the people who could have stopped it but didn't. |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:03 AM |
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Yes, secondly. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:06 AM |
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Our aid would have prevented much loss of life if done SOON ENOUGH |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:11 AM |
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We gave aid |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:15 AM |
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Not if they go in soon enough. |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:21 AM |
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30,000 civilians in Nicaragua are "puny"? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:39 AM |
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Yes, but on the other hand our country began with Manifest Destiny... |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 12:22 AM |
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Well, those were the times |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:27 AM |
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"Moderated?" What about the millions of dead people in SE Asia? |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 12:44 AM |
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Fine. If that's what you believe, then have at it. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:51 AM |
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so you believe that the USA has moderated? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:59 AM |
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No, I think he's over the top |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:01 AM |
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So you don't believe in the corporate fascist state of the USA? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:07 AM |
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No, I don't believe in the corporate facsist stae of the USA. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:11 AM |
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So the opposite of fascism is total equality? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:17 AM |
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No, I was responding to your words |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:20 AM |
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did the pilgrims have slaves? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:23 AM |
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Are those your words about equality? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:24 AM |
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no, you said the usa has moderated since we have no slaves today. |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:25 AM |
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So those aren't your words about equality? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:26 AM |
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What are you talking about? You started with the equality stuff here |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:30 AM |
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Actually, no. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:34 AM |
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toe stubbing, little puny atrocities, f.lee.bailey, moderated since coloni |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:44 AM |
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Are you going to address your retraction of the equality standard? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:46 AM |
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ok, play your game for a few minutes, then off to bed. Do you believe |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:53 AM |
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No, I don't think so. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 02:20 AM |
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I am ineptly asking you to clarify what you have written. |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 03:07 PM |
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Ok, but that sounds like "good German" rhetoric to me |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 01:18 AM |
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"Ridiculous? Over the top?" I saw it here in New Orleans |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 01:12 AM |
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*AHEM* Hello! NOLA??? Katrina VICTIMS???&^%$# n/t |
in_cog_ni_to |
Jun-05-06 10:37 AM |
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But your statements come off as arrogant and NOT grounded in reality. |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 01:01 AM |
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"I'm not so arrogant as to believe |
Dem2theMax |
Jun-05-06 01:02 AM |
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"powerful nations" is an interesting qualification. |
Protagoras |
Jun-05-06 12:56 PM |
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Really? |
Webster Green |
Jun-04-06 11:03 PM |
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Nobody is claiming perfection here |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:05 PM |
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And a lot better... |
Webster Green |
Jun-04-06 11:26 PM |
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HOW? Riddle me this, my cigsandcoffee friend. How could it |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-06 11:46 PM |
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You're free to disparage the government here |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:51 PM |
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Hah! Yeah, right. Be with the partner of your choice when your |
babylonsister |
Jun-05-06 12:17 AM |
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Gays can't get married. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:20 AM |
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Gays 'could' get married if the asshat in charge had a spine! |
babylonsister |
Jun-05-06 12:26 AM |
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Where the hell have I said I support this admin? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:34 AM |
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you do realize that in many other countries gay is ok? |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:27 AM |
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Gay is OK here too |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:33 AM |
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Loads more hiding, loads getting beaten down for openness |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:35 AM |
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Answers |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:34 AM |
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Well, where do you think you'd have it better? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:46 AM |
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You do realize that OP says is afraid, and you brought up the pride |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 12:52 AM |
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Well, I'm sorry the OP is scared. |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:55 AM |
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I understand where you're coming from... |
Union Thug |
Jun-04-06 11:17 PM |
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Have you lived overseas? |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:27 PM |
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not lived, but traveled extensively. |
Union Thug |
Jun-04-06 11:37 PM |
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Look to Sweden for growing racism and ethnic strife |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-04-06 11:44 PM |
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You are knocking down straw men... |
Union Thug |
Jun-05-06 12:27 AM |
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Of course when you travel you wind up with more informed people |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 12:39 AM |
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A little presumptuous... |
Union Thug |
Jun-05-06 01:22 AM |
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Well, our experiences vary |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:41 AM |
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OK, I can agree with one of your posts, finally. |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 01:22 AM |
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They sure as hell can |
cigsandcoffee |
Jun-05-06 01:42 AM |
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I agree, we Americans are not up to par. |
babylonsister |
Jun-05-06 12:51 AM |
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not enough informed/educated people in the US |
alyce douglas |
Jun-05-06 10:43 AM |
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Egad! A country barely 200 years old holds the world's "morality" title? |
MercutioATC |
Jun-04-06 11:18 PM |
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My Lai, Haditha............."claim to morality" ................... Hm, |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-05-06 12:36 AM |
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You either have an underdeveloped sense of shame or |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-05-06 12:42 AM |
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I'm sorry... |
Blackthorn |
Jun-05-06 12:51 AM |
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Whatever Mr. Clever. People ONLY judge, (with insufficient knowledge, |
Random_Australian |
Jun-05-06 04:53 AM |
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I agree with you, I move to Germany next Monday |
48percenter |
Jun-04-06 10:57 PM |
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You're moving overseas? Is |
babylonsister |
Jun-04-06 11:20 PM |
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I wear the red leaf in S.E. Asia |
upi402 |
Jun-04-06 11:18 PM |
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Whoa |
Truthiness Inspector |
Jun-04-06 11:27 PM |
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I recently returned to Germany from a visit to the states |
Solly Mack |
Jun-05-06 12:08 AM |
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That's because aliens HAVE taken over the USA... |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 12:28 AM |
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LOL...true. It goes well. Du? |
Solly Mack |
Jun-05-06 12:33 AM |
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I got a new roof on my house yesterday! |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 12:50 AM |
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Excellent on the roof! ((((Swamp)))) for keeping your sense of humor |
Solly Mack |
Jun-05-06 12:56 AM |
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Du bist ein Entomologe? |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 01:30 AM |
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Ugh. I feel for ya, Swamp Rat! He's done here by 9 June, a few |
babylonsister |
Jun-05-06 01:08 AM |
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Yaay!!! |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-05-06 01:25 AM |
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Congratulations on your roof, may it hold in place and in peace. |
uppityperson |
Jun-05-06 01:32 AM |
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We're not moving--yet--but are building a place in Panama |
mnhtnbb |
Jun-05-06 12:21 AM |
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Panama is nice |
Truthiness Inspector |
Jun-05-06 12:33 AM |
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Welcome to DU, and I'd love to talk to you about Panama! nt |
babylonsister |
Jun-05-06 01:12 AM |
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Thanks |
Truthiness Inspector |
Jun-05-06 01:22 AM |
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quoth the Raven, NEVERMORE |
Jeffersons Ghost |
Jun-05-06 12:37 AM |
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Australia |
TexasLawyer |
Jun-05-06 12:51 AM |
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As an American living abroad.... |
BooScout |
Jun-05-06 04:41 AM |
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Where I go, there are people who like to blow up |
babylonsister |
Jun-05-06 06:57 AM |
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I hate to break it to you...... |
BooScout |
Jun-05-06 11:03 AM |
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Sigh. I didn't say I stuck maples leaves on anything. I just |
babylonsister |
Jun-05-06 11:08 AM |
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And soccer fans. lol n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-05-06 12:29 PM |
#143 |
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