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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #98
100. All of us who pay federal/state income taxes
are passive enablers of the military; we pay to train and equip them so they can go to foreign countries, meet exotic people and kill them--so we're all complicit, really. Perhaps as a person of the cloth you're legally exempt from all that. Must be nice.
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  -Don't Quit Supporting Us (Troops). true_notes  Jun-02-06 11:45 AM   #0 
  - I'm angry at the organization  wtmusic   Jun-02-06 11:49 AM   #1 
  - I guess it's relative...  true_notes   Jun-02-06 11:52 AM   #7 
     - The buck stops at W  wtmusic   Jun-02-06 11:57 AM   #14 
     - not shooting the messenger.. at all  mylittletribe   Jun-02-06 12:11 PM   #28 
  - .  bigtree   Jun-02-06 11:50 AM   #2 
  - Duplicate. nt  MookieWilson   Jun-02-06 11:50 AM   # 
  - Our people should not be in this situation.  MookieWilson   Jun-02-06 11:50 AM   #3 
  - Some are on their 4th tour of duty. Gen. John Batiste said last night on  flpoljunkie   Jun-02-06 02:06 PM   #99 
  - I'm trying.........  Waya   Jun-02-06 11:50 AM   #4 
  - You'll always have my support.  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 11:50 AM   #5 
  - Mine too. eom  Dulcinea   Jun-02-06 12:57 PM   #63 
  - I think it's time that US service personnel remember three short words..  htuttle   Jun-02-06 11:50 AM   #6 
  - I support you, true_notes  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 11:53 AM   #8 
  - Thanks For the Words  true_notes   Jun-02-06 11:56 AM   #12 
  - Anyone who bashes the troops, calling them "murderers" in general  brentspeak   Jun-02-06 11:54 AM   #9 
  - Anyone?  bigtree   Jun-02-06 12:09 PM   #25 
     - It's just as much OUR collective responsiblity as the soldiers. If our  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 12:18 PM   #31 
        - I accept all of that  bigtree   Jun-02-06 12:21 PM   #33 
        - Me, too, bigtree.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 12:23 PM   #35 
        - I am not responsible  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 12:42 PM   #48 
           - I have been active and loud since long before the war began, too,  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 01:07 PM   #66 
           - I have no voice in this "democracy", so I'm not responsible for  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:13 PM   #70 
           - I won't take responsibility for this war either.  Raksha   Jun-02-06 09:24 PM   #187 
  - Support, for me, means trying to bring you home from a war based  impeachdubya   Jun-02-06 11:54 AM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-06 11:55 AM   #11 
  - I'm sure the poster isn't trying to justify that awful incident.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 11:57 AM   #15 
  - It is not a few and we know it now. It is widespread.  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 12:47 PM   #55 
     - I don't know that.  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 04:23 PM   #122 
        - Please read the foreign press. You can get a very good idea  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 05:12 PM   #148 
           - Did you know almost one in ten troops is sent into combat with a  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 05:22 PM   #153 
           - Yes I am personally aware of mentally ill men sent to Iraq.  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 05:37 PM   #163 
              - I forgive you DU mods for censoring me and refusing to let me  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 07:04 PM   #175 
                 - All the Iraqis are living in hell. I agree.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 09:23 PM   #186 
           - No, thanks. I have better sources.  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 06:01 PM   #171 
              - none so blind as those that are willfully blind....  mike_c   Jun-03-06 12:53 AM   #200 
  - deleted (truenotes)  true_notes   Jun-02-06 11:57 AM   #16 
  - Congratulations on winning the "Troop Bashing Post Of-The-Day"  brentspeak   Jun-02-06 11:59 AM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-06 12:46 PM   #53 
     - Not "the troops." Certain individual soldiers.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 01:10 PM   # 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-06 01:15 PM   #75 
     - delete (dupe)  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 01:10 PM   #68 
  - Does a civilians "high stress" involve being shot at or blown up?  Beelzebud   Jun-02-06 12:01 PM   #19 
     - Are infants doing the shooting? Pregnant women in labor? nt  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 01:04 PM   #65 
        - Comparing stresses of war to stresses of daily life is idiotic.  Beelzebud   Jun-02-06 01:37 PM   #89 
           - I know war is hell, but why shoot babies? Why rape women?  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 03:40 PM   #113 
              - I have seen absolutely no one here say it is  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 04:39 PM   #130 
              - I have not blamed any innocent soldier. I just do not buy that  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 05:04 PM   #145 
              - But by ignoring what some of them doing, you are condoning it,  The Stranger   Jun-02-06 05:22 PM   #154 
              - Nice strawman. No one is saying it's ok.  Beelzebud   Jun-02-06 05:04 PM   #143 
                 - I pray every day that the murders and rapes of Iraq women  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 05:10 PM   #147 
                    - I'm not the one twisting words. You are. Nowhere have I said what  Beelzebud   Jun-02-06 05:13 PM   #150 
                    - I see I am going to have to pray harder for you. :)  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 05:23 PM   #155 
                    - Being stressed out and low paid is not an excuse. But sending soldiers  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 05:24 PM   #156 
                       - Just reading "preexisting serious mental disorders" flashed the  Amonester   Jun-03-06 02:40 AM   #203 
  - Wouldn't happen.  knitter4democracy   Jun-02-06 11:56 AM   #13 
  - I won't stop supporting the troops  dogday   Jun-02-06 12:01 PM   #18 
  - I support you. Troops are human, not machines.  johnaries   Jun-02-06 12:02 PM   #20 
  - You know...  true_notes   Jun-02-06 12:06 PM   #23 
     - Yep, especially considering the ones doing it AVOIDED  johnaries   Jun-02-06 12:44 PM   #51 
  - I want you home. Now.  libnnc   Jun-02-06 12:05 PM   #21 
  - I do not paint the entire military with the dishonorable  DearAbby   Jun-02-06 12:06 PM   #22 
  - "We love our country and [we] fight for a collective of individuals . . ."  coalition_unwilling   Jun-02-06 12:07 PM   #24 
  - You're wrong. If you live in this nation, if you're an American citizen  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 12:14 PM   #29 
  - I have spiritually seceded from the Empire, so I beg to differ.  coalition_unwilling   Jun-02-06 12:36 PM   #43 
     - As long as you're living here, you are as responsible as anyone else.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 01:13 PM   #71 
        - No  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:25 PM   #83 
        - So the "good Germans" didn't bear any responsibility for what Hitler did?  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 01:29 PM   #86 
           - Not if they spoke and worked against it  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:32 PM   #88 
              - I worked against it too, I wouldn't say I am "complicit." But I share  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 04:36 PM   #129 
                 - I disagree  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 04:40 PM   #132 
                    - One thing we should all be doing, besides continuing our opposition  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 05:26 PM   #157 
                       - It'll be harder to convince sane people that  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 05:36 PM   #161 
                          - I don't either. One more reason we just need to pull them all out of Iraq  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 08:57 PM   #183 
        - Let's see. Does not paying any federal taxes since Oct. 29, 2004  coalition_unwilling   Jun-02-06 01:43 PM   #92 
  - Thank you  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 12:38 PM   #45 
  - On your side!  eek   Jun-02-06 12:09 PM   #26 
  - We know that these guys were a small minority  warrens   Jun-02-06 12:10 PM   #27 
  - Warrens,  true_notes   Jun-02-06 12:15 PM   #30 
  - TN: I am somehow surprised that you are even allowed to read DU  eek   Jun-02-06 12:19 PM   #32 
     - Yeah it pisses the higher-ups off....  true_notes   Jun-02-06 12:33 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-06 01:27 PM   #84 
  - THAT you serve is to your credit. WHERE you serve is to our discredit.  TahitiNut   Jun-02-06 12:21 PM   #34 
  - Well put, TahitiNut. I strongly agree.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 12:24 PM   #37 
  - Well said.  ItNerd4life   Jun-02-06 12:27 PM   #39 
  - I support...  Ohio Joe   Jun-02-06 12:23 PM   #36 
  - here's an inspiring tale of Troup Support  soleft   Jun-02-06 12:26 PM   #38 
  - Now that's support. Thanks for sharing. I challenge all DUers to do that.  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 06:28 PM   #174 
  - What if they threw a war and no one came?  IndyOp   Jun-02-06 12:28 PM   #40 
  - Thanks  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 12:40 PM   #46 
  - Not saying 'love it or leave it' but  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 01:39 PM   #90 
     - Actually, the US military is making us less safe, not more so  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:51 PM   #93 
     - No, it isn't the  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 02:15 PM   #101 
     - I'd be happier without a military  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 02:19 PM   #104 
        - Social defenses won't deter an aggressor.  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 02:34 PM   #108 
           - This is not the first time I've been called unrealistic  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 03:50 PM   #115 
     - Question:  brentspeak   Jun-02-06 02:37 PM   #109 
     - "Safety" they "afford" her?  The Stranger   Jun-02-06 05:21 PM   #152 
        - "affords you"  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 05:40 PM   #165 
           - I didn't ask you to define it, or give me synomyms.  The Stranger   Jun-02-06 05:49 PM   #166 
              - I think it means  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 05:53 PM   #168 
              - Why  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 06:01 PM   #172 
              - I'm not  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 05:57 PM   #169 
  - This doesn't Pertain to Iraq persay but...  true_notes   Jun-02-06 12:48 PM   #57 
  - The credo that most troops live by is a myth. We are all being lied to.  IndyOp   Jun-02-06 04:34 PM   #126 
  - If the volunteers quit en masse, Bush would institute a draft.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 01:15 PM   #74 
     - At least a draft is a government's way of admitting it is acting  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:41 PM   #91 
        - A draft will just create a boundless supply of troops for the  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 05:28 PM   #158 
           - The draft pushed people to oppose the war. n/t  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 05:36 PM   #162 
              - Uh-huh. But thirty thousand soldiers died AFTER the draft was  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 09:04 PM   #184 
  - I support our troops, even when some lose control  LonelyLRLiberal   Jun-02-06 12:30 PM   #41 
  - As an Active Duty member, I will always support you  maxrandb   Jun-02-06 12:37 PM   #44 
  - I support the enlisted ranks (working class), not the Officer Corps  coalition_unwilling   Jun-02-06 12:40 PM   #47 
     - Well said! nt  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 12:43 PM   #50 
     - Spoken like a true Marxist!  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 04:27 PM   #123 
        - As opposed to a 'false' Marxist???  coalition_unwilling   Jun-02-06 05:12 PM   #149 
  - I will NEVER support murderers of innocent women and infants  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 12:43 PM   #49 
  - And all war is murder nt  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 12:44 PM   #52 
  - Nobody is asking you to, cassiepriam.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 01:17 PM   #77 
  - I did not blame him. I just did not agree with his excuses for murder.  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 01:22 PM   #80 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-06 01:24 PM   #81 
  - I don't either  alarimer   Jun-02-06 04:46 PM   #136 
  - As a former Marine, I will never quit supporting the troops.  Uncle Joe   Jun-02-06 12:46 PM   #54 
  - Were you officer or enlisted?  coalition_unwilling   Jun-02-06 12:48 PM   #56 
     - Enlisted n/t  Uncle Joe   Jun-02-06 12:51 PM   #58 
        - I'm feeling conflicted about enlisted troops right now.  coalition_unwilling   Jun-02-06 01:09 PM   #67 
           - From the Jump-  true_notes   Jun-02-06 01:14 PM   #73 
           - I agree with you in that there needs to be a full investigation,  Uncle Joe   Jun-02-06 01:25 PM   #82 
  - As a US Citizen,  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 12:51 PM   #59 
  - What Right Wingers really mean when they say "Troops"...  RobertSeattle   Jun-02-06 12:51 PM   #60 
  - There is an unspoken (or maybe spoken?) understanding  lebkuchen   Jun-02-06 12:54 PM   #61 
  - Not True  true_notes   Jun-02-06 01:11 PM   #69 
     - We'll see if there will be retribution  lebkuchen   Jun-02-06 01:22 PM   #79 
  - Don't fight for me  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 12:55 PM   #62 
  - Most Americans figured the troops would be passing out candy  lebkuchen   Jun-02-06 01:27 PM   #85 
     - Again, I spoke out against this war from day 1  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:30 PM   #87 
        - "shock and awe" made the US' intent in Iraq obvious from Day 1  lebkuchen   Jun-02-06 01:58 PM   #95 
           - Exactly  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 02:03 PM   #97 
  - I'll say it again: the US military is not a police force, a peacekeeping  smoogatz   Jun-02-06 12:59 PM   #64 
  - :Kill people and break things  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:16 PM   #76 
     - All due respect to you and your beliefs, but there are circumstances  smoogatz   Jun-02-06 02:01 PM   #96 
     - Speak for yourself  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 02:05 PM   #98 
        - All of us who pay federal/state income taxes  smoogatz   Jun-02-06 02:14 PM   #100 
           - You never miss the opportunity to take a swipe at my religion  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 02:16 PM   #102 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-06 02:31 PM   #107 
              - Lordy. Okay, I'll try again.  smoogatz   Jun-02-06 03:01 PM   #110 
     - Strange.  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 06:06 PM   #173 
  - Can you or anyone who has served in combat help me out here....  Virginia Dare   Jun-02-06 01:13 PM   #72 
  - If your best friend gets blown to pieces right in front of you...  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 04:32 PM   #124 
  - According to every report I've seen  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 04:34 PM   #127 
  - Didn't I say 'I'm not excusing'?  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 04:39 PM   #131 
     - You said you weren't trying to excuse it  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 04:41 PM   #133 
        - Actually,  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 04:45 PM   #135 
           - Why are you perpetuating a right wing lie?  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 04:48 PM   #137 
              - In the first place...  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 04:57 PM   #140 
                 - Thanks for your reply to my OP....  Virginia Dare   Jun-02-06 05:00 PM   #142 
                    - That I can understand.  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 05:07 PM   #146 
  - Okay, I can see wanting revenge...  Virginia Dare   Jun-02-06 04:35 PM   #128 
  - I haven't served, but I read something about the govt. supplying  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 04:45 PM   #134 
     - I also read somewhere...  Virginia Dare   Jun-02-06 04:53 PM   #138 
        - Oh THAT's good news!  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 04:58 PM   #141 
           - Almost one in ten troops have been diagnosed with a serious mental  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 05:17 PM   #151 
              - It says 1 in 10 RETURNING are diagnosed...  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 08:06 PM   #179 
                 - The Hartford Courants research is referring to DEPLOYING soldiers.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 09:15 PM   #185 
                    - It doesn't say that 1 out of 10 DEPLOYING soldiers  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 09:38 PM   #188 
                       - But isn't this debate beside the point, really? They shouldn't be sending  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 10:04 PM   #190 
                          - Of course they  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 10:34 PM   #193 
  - I am sorry to cause trouble for the mods, who delete my posts.  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 01:20 PM   #78 
  - Well, if you'll never stop speaking out about this issue  brentspeak   Jun-02-06 02:30 PM   #106 
     - Sir, how do you know I haven't?  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 03:37 PM   #112 
     - She won't like their responses?  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 03:57 PM   #116 
  - A friend of mine has a bumper sticker...  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 01:53 PM   #94 
  - If I think about picking up a broad brush...  sadiesworld   Jun-02-06 02:17 PM   #103 
  - Anyone judging needs to walk a mile in those kids shoes beforehand.  tjwash   Jun-02-06 02:21 PM   #105 
  - That's where I'm trying very hard to come from here...  Virginia Dare   Jun-02-06 04:56 PM   #139 
     - Hatred, it's not logical, but generally speaking neither is war.  Uncle Joe   Jun-02-06 05:59 PM   #170 
        - Thank you so much for that post...  Virginia Dare   Jun-02-06 07:39 PM   #176 
  - Wes Clark said it well on O'Reilly's show  stanwyck   Jun-02-06 03:30 PM   #111 
  - Well said.  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 04:33 PM   #125 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-02-06 03:47 PM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-06 03:57 PM   #117 
  - One in ten troops are seriously mentally ill-- before they get there.  pnwmom   Jun-02-06 05:30 PM   #159 
  - How do you know?  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 05:35 PM   #160 
     - Calling someone mentally ill isn't condemning them  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 05:39 PM   #164 
        - The post that I was responding to  brmdp3123   Jun-02-06 05:51 PM   #167 
  - Stop paying for this war  mycritters2   Jun-02-06 03:58 PM   #118 
  - I still have my "Support The Troops, Impeach Bush"  Cleita   Jun-02-06 03:58 PM   #119 
  - I never started  Pastiche423   Jun-02-06 03:59 PM   #120 
  - I don't support the troops.  Zhade   Jun-02-06 04:15 PM   #121 
  - There is only one common denominator here  magellan   Jun-02-06 05:04 PM   #144 
  - This is just Viet-nam all over again....  Xenotime   Jun-02-06 07:39 PM   #177 
  - I've always blamed the brass. From the president to the generals.  FloridaPat   Jun-02-06 07:42 PM   #178 
  - i am not angry at the soldiers. i am not even angry at the soldiers  seabeyond   Jun-02-06 08:18 PM   #180 
  - The total lack of accountability at the very top of the chain of command  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 08:21 PM   #181 
  - Come on now, you know DUers do not hate service members.  lonestarnot   Jun-02-06 08:25 PM   #182 
  - true_notes,  FLDem5   Jun-02-06 10:00 PM   #189 
  - Fallujah changed my son.I hate the bastards that made him what he has..  w8liftinglady   Jun-02-06 10:10 PM   #191 
  - That breaks my heart for you and him  Hekate   Jun-03-06 01:59 AM   #201 
  - I do not know when you enlisted, but I will say this much.....  Joe Fields   Jun-02-06 10:20 PM   #192 
  - Because  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 10:57 PM   #194 
     - Obviously they all didn't sign up after 9/11. Only a fool would think  Joe Fields   Jun-02-06 11:03 PM   #195 
        - Did you forget your "burning question"?  Breeze54   Jun-02-06 11:08 PM   #197 
  - I support you with all my heart true notes - it's why I'm a Democrat.  Sugarcoated   Jun-02-06 11:05 PM   #196 
  - This war was based on lies....I remember 9/11, and I remember  TK421   Jun-02-06 11:23 PM   #198 
  - participating in a crime against humanity is NOT supporting America....  mike_c   Jun-03-06 12:50 AM   #199 
  - Truenotes, your service is appreciated more than I can say  Hekate   Jun-03-06 02:26 AM   #202 
  - Deleting benign posts only makes matters worse.  cassiepriam   Jun-03-06 04:27 PM   #204 
  - I agree, cassiepriam. n/t  I Have A Dream   Jun-03-06 07:35 PM   #205 
  - I support the troops  Raine   Jun-03-06 08:34 PM   #206 
  - www.AnySoldier.com  TexasLawyer   Jun-03-06 09:01 PM   #207 
 

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