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SeaBob Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 07:17 PM
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90. Soldiers
By your argument theworkers at GM or boeing shold feel shame because their leaders are screwed up. your post is uninformed and insulting to many people who are trying to do the right thing. They may hold different views than your own. However there is no need to insult people who are trying to do a very difficult job with lousy leadership at the top. Unless you have been there you really dont know what you are talking about.
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  -Why shouldn't the American soldiers in Iraq feel shame at this point? bigtree  Jun-02-06 10:22 AM   #0 
  - those who weren't delusional to start with  leftofthedial   Jun-02-06 10:23 AM   #1 
  - I don't know  bryant69   Jun-02-06 10:27 AM   #2 
  - we have to stretch our thinking if we don't want to label all the soldiers  bigtree   Jun-02-06 10:32 AM   #4 
     - How so?  bryant69   Jun-02-06 10:37 AM   #5 
        - good, you stretched.  bigtree   Jun-02-06 10:44 AM   #6 
        - Personally I'm tired of having to defend rationality.  bryant69   Jun-02-06 10:59 AM   #8 
        - Obviously not.  Raksha   Jun-02-06 07:39 PM   #47 
  - Agreed...  Koyaanisqatsi   Jun-02-06 10:29 AM   #3 
  - It is group generalization  treestar   Jun-02-06 10:47 AM   #7 
  - Our forces, collectively, are the danger in Iraq  bigtree   Jun-02-06 11:03 AM   #9 
  - The troops maybe should not be considered responsible any  treestar   Jun-02-06 02:51 PM   #10 
     - i agree with that  bigtree   Jun-02-06 04:16 PM   #12 
  - whether they are all murderers is not the point....  mike_c   Jun-02-06 08:49 PM   #66 
  - Indeed. Why shouldn't ALL Americans be ashamed?  TahitiNut   Jun-03-06 10:09 AM   #79 
  - Why should they?  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 02:56 PM   #11 
  - search and destroy missions?  bigtree   Jun-02-06 04:20 PM   #13 
  - Soldiers have to restrict movements...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 05:36 PM   #15 
     - I feel shame at what our military is doing collectively in Iraq  bigtree   Jun-02-06 06:10 PM   #16 
        - That is where you and I differ...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 06:15 PM   #18 
           - the hospitals have reported civilian casualties from their engagements  bigtree   Jun-02-06 06:20 PM   #19 
           - You know...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 06:27 PM   #21 
              - this is the type of rationalization that can only come from Americans  bigtree   Jun-02-06 06:34 PM   #24 
                 - When were you in Iraq...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 06:37 PM   #27 
                    - such a phony defense Scoody Boo  bigtree   Jun-02-06 06:57 PM   #32 
                       - Well Fallujah...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 06:59 PM   #35 
                          - I'd like to see a seperate post on that  bigtree   Jun-02-06 07:27 PM   #41 
                             - From what was told to me...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 07:33 PM   #46 
                                - never mind, just not worth it  uppityperson   Jun-03-06 01:47 AM   #74 
                                - Not what I heard from my army boyfriend, scoody. n/t  blonndee   Jun-04-06 01:03 AM   #95 
           - You need to stop glorifying war , and the military  Ksec   Jun-02-06 06:24 PM   #20 
           - A wise country...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 06:30 PM   #22 
              - Me saying not to glorify is hardly villification of the troops  Ksec   Jun-02-06 06:39 PM   #29 
              - no-- a wise country vilifies it's own when they act vilely....  mike_c   Jun-03-06 10:12 AM   #80 
           - Yes, but..  Xenotime   Jun-02-06 07:24 PM   #39 
  - what are their missions, pray tell...?  mike_c   Jun-03-06 10:48 AM   #83 
  - UH.....Freedom is on the March !!!!!!!!  Ragazz68   Jun-02-06 04:20 PM   #14 
  - If my family member murdered babies , I would be.  Ksec   Jun-02-06 06:12 PM   #17 
  - Why shouldn't American men (you included) feel shame at this point?  NightOwwl   Jun-02-06 06:33 PM   #23 
  - I do  bigtree   Jun-02-06 06:35 PM   #26 
  - One of the great tragedies of this war is the lasting psychological  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 06:35 PM   #25 
  - No shame or self loathing...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 06:44 PM   #30 
  - How sad! I wouldn't call it vain though ~ but it really doesn't matter  Catrina   Jun-03-06 02:41 AM   #76 
  - funny though, as removed as I am from the conflict  bigtree   Jun-02-06 06:51 PM   #31 
  - Would expecting the same shame...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 06:57 PM   #33 
  - Some did feel shame about acts committed in their religon's name  bigtree   Jun-02-06 07:22 PM   #38 
  - Shame as you conceive it isn't a crippling thing. However for  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 07:32 PM   #45 
     - I don't think my use of the word 'shame' contributes to their pain  bigtree   Jun-02-06 07:42 PM   #49 
        - Oh there you go again bigtree.  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 07:47 PM   #53 
  - you just don't get it, do you...?  mike_c   Jun-03-06 12:44 AM   #72 
  - You can't be responding to my post, cause you speak to points I never  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 06:58 PM   #34 
     - i'm sorry Humor_In_Cuneiform  bigtree   Jun-02-06 07:29 PM   #44 
        - I guess you felt like you got jumped on pretty hard and fast for  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 07:42 PM   #50 
           - to be fair, I expected it.  bigtree   Jun-02-06 07:47 PM   #54 
  - May I respectfully disagree?  Karenina   Jun-02-06 07:17 PM   #37 
     - I don't see any reason why what I wrote in my post cannot be  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 07:26 PM   #40 
     - Oh, Dearest H_I_C  Karenina   Jun-02-06 07:46 PM   #52 
        - Is okay. Your phrasing made it easy to respond to.  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 08:02 PM   #59 
     - So, the soldiers doing this...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 07:28 PM   #43 
        - And THAT, SB  Karenina   Jun-02-06 07:48 PM   #55 
  - Yeah, well it's real easy to judge while you are sitting at a keyboard...  tjwash   Jun-02-06 06:38 PM   #28 
  - it isn't easy for me, and I will continue to judge  bigtree   Jun-02-06 07:13 PM   #36 
  - Sheesh, now I know how those stupid rumors about Vietnam  Raksha   Jun-02-06 07:45 PM   #51 
     - "Babykiller" has been spewed on this very site...  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 07:50 PM   #56 
        - And it was a dreadful legacy of the Vietnam war, that the troops  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 07:57 PM   #57 
        - I wonder if that was really a DUer or a troll.  Raksha   Jun-02-06 08:08 PM   #61 
           - It was a member with 1000+ posts.  Scoody Boo   Jun-02-06 08:13 PM   #63 
              - Got the name or a link???  U4ikLefty   Jun-03-06 02:11 PM   #86 
              - Just another freeper troll with pathetic fantasies & perverted arguments  Ms. Clio   Jun-04-06 02:14 AM   #96 
  - Paula Zahn apparently feeling shame  DemonFighterLives   Jun-02-06 07:28 PM   #42 
  - Amen to that. The opportunity to fix what we broke seems to be  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 07:40 PM   #48 
     - Some type of change for sure  DemonFighterLives   Jun-02-06 08:04 PM   #60 
        - I know. I know. It is incredibly frustrating to have to watch  Humor_In_Cuneiform   Jun-02-06 08:12 PM   #62 
  - Sugar-coating, cheerleading  bloom   Jun-02-06 07:58 PM   #58 
  - I've learned my lesson. I'll keep my mouth shut from now on  Seabiscuit   Jun-02-06 08:22 PM   #64 
  - I feel proud of those that resist this war.  Tom Joad   Jun-02-06 08:48 PM   #65 
  - 95+% should feel NO SHAME.  alittlelark   Jun-02-06 08:59 PM   #67 
  - Well said - I would think it's a very small percentage  Laurab   Jun-02-06 10:16 PM   #68 
  - they have participated in a shameful war of aggression....  mike_c   Jun-02-06 11:37 PM   #69 
     - THEY should only feel shame if THEY did something  alittlelark   Jun-03-06 12:30 AM   #70 
        - they are each and every one participating in a crime against humanity....  mike_c   Jun-03-06 12:34 AM   #71 
           - With that logic you and I are engaging in a crime against humanity  alittlelark   Jun-03-06 12:58 AM   #73 
              - Actually, that is true, technically...  Solon   Jun-03-06 02:25 AM   #75 
              - then I presume you disagree that the war against Iraq is a crime....  mike_c   Jun-03-06 09:58 AM   #77 
                 - The war is a crime and 95% of our soldiers should not feel any Shame.  alittlelark   Jun-03-06 10:09 AM   #78 
                    - you seem to be not getting it over and over....  mike_c   Jun-03-06 10:16 AM   #81 
                    - I don't see how you separate the crime from the force that committed it  bigtree   Jun-03-06 10:41 AM   #82 
  - Lets remember where the real villification belongs  Ksec   Jun-03-06 01:48 PM   #84 
  - Yes the knucklehead in chief  DemonFighterLives   Jun-03-06 02:29 PM   #87 
  - DUers are generally scared shitless to criticize the military....  BlooInBloo   Jun-03-06 02:01 PM   #85 
  - anyone who's followed my posts knows of my support for the soldiers  bigtree   Jun-03-06 06:40 PM   #89 
  - Military  SeaBob   Jun-03-06 07:20 PM   #91 
     - Perfect case in point.  BlooInBloo   Jun-04-06 01:00 AM   #93 
  - Rumsfeld was sleeping to allow this to out, won't happen again though  Imagevision   Jun-03-06 02:31 PM   #88 
  - Soldiers  SeaBob   Jun-03-06 07:17 PM   #90 
  - All of that has been fleshed out in this post and responded to  bigtree   Jun-03-06 08:11 PM   #92 
  - Shame? That's soooo 16th century!  JVS   Jun-04-06 01:01 AM   #94 

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