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Fri Jun-02-06 06:20 PM
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| 19. the hospitals have reported civilian casualties from their engagements |
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since the beginning of the conflict, most denied by the military.
By collectively, I mean that these soldiers support the illegal occupation that has sparked the chaos and the violence. I'd have to suspend thought to ignore the role these soldiers play in perpetuating the violence, ordered or not.
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| -Why shouldn't the American soldiers in Iraq feel shame at this point? |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 10:22 AM |
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those who weren't delusional to start with |
leftofthedial |
Jun-02-06 10:23 AM |
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I don't know |
bryant69 |
Jun-02-06 10:27 AM |
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we have to stretch our thinking if we don't want to label all the soldiers |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 10:32 AM |
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How so? |
bryant69 |
Jun-02-06 10:37 AM |
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good, you stretched. |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 10:44 AM |
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Personally I'm tired of having to defend rationality. |
bryant69 |
Jun-02-06 10:59 AM |
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Obviously not. |
Raksha |
Jun-02-06 07:39 PM |
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Agreed... |
Koyaanisqatsi |
Jun-02-06 10:29 AM |
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It is group generalization |
treestar |
Jun-02-06 10:47 AM |
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Our forces, collectively, are the danger in Iraq |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 11:03 AM |
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The troops maybe should not be considered responsible any |
treestar |
Jun-02-06 02:51 PM |
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i agree with that |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 04:16 PM |
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whether they are all murderers is not the point.... |
mike_c |
Jun-02-06 08:49 PM |
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Indeed. Why shouldn't ALL Americans be ashamed? |
TahitiNut |
Jun-03-06 10:09 AM |
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Why should they? |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 02:56 PM |
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search and destroy missions? |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 04:20 PM |
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Soldiers have to restrict movements... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 05:36 PM |
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I feel shame at what our military is doing collectively in Iraq |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 06:10 PM |
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That is where you and I differ... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 06:15 PM |
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the hospitals have reported civilian casualties from their engagements |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 06:20 PM |
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You know... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 06:27 PM |
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this is the type of rationalization that can only come from Americans |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 06:34 PM |
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When were you in Iraq... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 06:37 PM |
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such a phony defense Scoody Boo |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 06:57 PM |
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Well Fallujah... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 06:59 PM |
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I'd like to see a seperate post on that |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 07:27 PM |
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From what was told to me... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 07:33 PM |
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never mind, just not worth it |
uppityperson |
Jun-03-06 01:47 AM |
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Not what I heard from my army boyfriend, scoody. n/t |
blonndee |
Jun-04-06 01:03 AM |
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You need to stop glorifying war , and the military |
Ksec |
Jun-02-06 06:24 PM |
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A wise country... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 06:30 PM |
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Me saying not to glorify is hardly villification of the troops |
Ksec |
Jun-02-06 06:39 PM |
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no-- a wise country vilifies it's own when they act vilely.... |
mike_c |
Jun-03-06 10:12 AM |
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Yes, but.. |
Xenotime |
Jun-02-06 07:24 PM |
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what are their missions, pray tell...? |
mike_c |
Jun-03-06 10:48 AM |
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UH.....Freedom is on the March !!!!!!!! |
Ragazz68 |
Jun-02-06 04:20 PM |
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If my family member murdered babies , I would be. |
Ksec |
Jun-02-06 06:12 PM |
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Why shouldn't American men (you included) feel shame at this point? |
NightOwwl |
Jun-02-06 06:33 PM |
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I do |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 06:35 PM |
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One of the great tragedies of this war is the lasting psychological |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 06:35 PM |
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No shame or self loathing... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 06:44 PM |
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How sad! I wouldn't call it vain though ~ but it really doesn't matter |
Catrina |
Jun-03-06 02:41 AM |
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funny though, as removed as I am from the conflict |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 06:51 PM |
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Would expecting the same shame... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 06:57 PM |
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Some did feel shame about acts committed in their religon's name |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 07:22 PM |
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Shame as you conceive it isn't a crippling thing. However for |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 07:32 PM |
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I don't think my use of the word 'shame' contributes to their pain |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 07:42 PM |
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Oh there you go again bigtree. |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 07:47 PM |
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you just don't get it, do you...? |
mike_c |
Jun-03-06 12:44 AM |
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You can't be responding to my post, cause you speak to points I never |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 06:58 PM |
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i'm sorry Humor_In_Cuneiform |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 07:29 PM |
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I guess you felt like you got jumped on pretty hard and fast for |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 07:42 PM |
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to be fair, I expected it. |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 07:47 PM |
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May I respectfully disagree? |
Karenina |
Jun-02-06 07:17 PM |
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I don't see any reason why what I wrote in my post cannot be |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 07:26 PM |
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Oh, Dearest H_I_C |
Karenina |
Jun-02-06 07:46 PM |
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Is okay. Your phrasing made it easy to respond to. |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 08:02 PM |
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So, the soldiers doing this... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 07:28 PM |
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And THAT, SB |
Karenina |
Jun-02-06 07:48 PM |
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Yeah, well it's real easy to judge while you are sitting at a keyboard... |
tjwash |
Jun-02-06 06:38 PM |
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it isn't easy for me, and I will continue to judge |
bigtree |
Jun-02-06 07:13 PM |
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Sheesh, now I know how those stupid rumors about Vietnam |
Raksha |
Jun-02-06 07:45 PM |
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"Babykiller" has been spewed on this very site... |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 07:50 PM |
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And it was a dreadful legacy of the Vietnam war, that the troops |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 07:57 PM |
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I wonder if that was really a DUer or a troll. |
Raksha |
Jun-02-06 08:08 PM |
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It was a member with 1000+ posts. |
Scoody Boo |
Jun-02-06 08:13 PM |
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Got the name or a link??? |
U4ikLefty |
Jun-03-06 02:11 PM |
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Just another freeper troll with pathetic fantasies & perverted arguments |
Ms. Clio |
Jun-04-06 02:14 AM |
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Paula Zahn apparently feeling shame |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-02-06 07:28 PM |
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Amen to that. The opportunity to fix what we broke seems to be |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 07:40 PM |
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Some type of change for sure |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-02-06 08:04 PM |
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I know. I know. It is incredibly frustrating to have to watch |
Humor_In_Cuneiform |
Jun-02-06 08:12 PM |
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Sugar-coating, cheerleading |
bloom |
Jun-02-06 07:58 PM |
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I've learned my lesson. I'll keep my mouth shut from now on |
Seabiscuit |
Jun-02-06 08:22 PM |
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I feel proud of those that resist this war. |
Tom Joad |
Jun-02-06 08:48 PM |
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95+% should feel NO SHAME. |
alittlelark |
Jun-02-06 08:59 PM |
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Well said - I would think it's a very small percentage |
Laurab |
Jun-02-06 10:16 PM |
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they have participated in a shameful war of aggression.... |
mike_c |
Jun-02-06 11:37 PM |
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THEY should only feel shame if THEY did something |
alittlelark |
Jun-03-06 12:30 AM |
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they are each and every one participating in a crime against humanity.... |
mike_c |
Jun-03-06 12:34 AM |
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With that logic you and I are engaging in a crime against humanity |
alittlelark |
Jun-03-06 12:58 AM |
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Actually, that is true, technically... |
Solon |
Jun-03-06 02:25 AM |
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then I presume you disagree that the war against Iraq is a crime.... |
mike_c |
Jun-03-06 09:58 AM |
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The war is a crime and 95% of our soldiers should not feel any Shame. |
alittlelark |
Jun-03-06 10:09 AM |
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you seem to be not getting it over and over.... |
mike_c |
Jun-03-06 10:16 AM |
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I don't see how you separate the crime from the force that committed it |
bigtree |
Jun-03-06 10:41 AM |
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Lets remember where the real villification belongs |
Ksec |
Jun-03-06 01:48 PM |
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Yes the knucklehead in chief |
DemonFighterLives |
Jun-03-06 02:29 PM |
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DUers are generally scared shitless to criticize the military.... |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-03-06 02:01 PM |
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anyone who's followed my posts knows of my support for the soldiers |
bigtree |
Jun-03-06 06:40 PM |
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Military |
SeaBob |
Jun-03-06 07:20 PM |
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Perfect case in point. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-04-06 01:00 AM |
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Rumsfeld was sleeping to allow this to out, won't happen again though |
Imagevision |
Jun-03-06 02:31 PM |
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Soldiers |
SeaBob |
Jun-03-06 07:17 PM |
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All of that has been fleshed out in this post and responded to |
bigtree |
Jun-03-06 08:11 PM |
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Shame? That's soooo 16th century! |
JVS |
Jun-04-06 01:01 AM |
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