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267. well, it is important to check facts
If we are going to cite Jimmy Carter as an election monitor -- and I think we have it on record that the Carter Center wouldn't monitor a U.S. election because the system is too broken! -- then we might look to the Carter Center to see what it has to say about exit polling.

Jennifer McCoy on exit polls in Venezuela, 2004: "In countries as polarised as Venezuela, exit polls are risky. They require those conducting them to avoid bias in choosing whom to query, to avoid socio-economic bias in their dress and speech, and to work in a wide variety of neighbourhoods. They also require voters to tell the truthdespite intimidation and strong peer pressure on both sides. Any of these elements could have been lacking." http://www.cartercenter.org/doc1826.htm

Carter Center recommendations for Mexico, 1994: "Avoid exit polls, which are unreliable in a climate of suspicion and which will create a negative atmosphere if the voters feel they are being watched. Quick counts, however, are essential, but they must be well coordinated and the public needs to be informed of their significance." http://www.cartercenter.org/documents/1154.pdf

Carter Center reflecting on its 1994 recommendation with reference to the 2000 Mexican election: "In 1994, The Carter Center had
recommended that exit polls not be used for two reasons. First, and most important, voters needed to learn that their votes were secret. If it became known that people were asking how they voted, that would compromise their vote. Secondly, we felt exit polls would be unreliable precisely because of voter mistrust, and, therefore, would be misleading." http://www.cartercenter.org/documents/278.pdf

Carter Center and National Democratic Institute observers on Peru, 2001: "In addition, the observers encouraged the use of quick counts on election day to build confidence in the results, noting that these statistical projections of the vote totals are more accurate than exit polls." http://www.cartercenter.org/doc120.htm

OK? I'm not saying that the Carter Center is dead set against exit polls, but it looks a bit different to me than it did to you. I didn't see anywhere where they actually said that exit polls were a good idea.

As for Ukraine in 2004, there were many, many indicators of fraud. Here is the 15-page international observers' report, which does not mention the exit polls: http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2004/11/3811_en.pdf

As I pointed out somewhere else, there were two exit polls in the 2004 Ukraine run-off, and they differed from each other by more than the U.S. exit polls differed from the official tally. So, no, I cannot agree that "Exit polling is remarkably reliable and accurate." Transparency is paramount.

I bet we can find some other points to agree on -- maybe in a different thread.
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  -ROLLING STONE: WAS THE 2004 ELECTION STOLEN (COMPLETE ARTICLE) kpete  Jun-01-06 01:24 PM   #0 
  - Thank you so much!  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 01:26 PM   #1 
  - Muchas gracias ! Bookmarked and nominated for greatest page nt  EVDebs   Jun-01-06 01:28 PM   #2 
  - Go Get Em' Jen!  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 01:29 PM   #3 
     - I saw it with my own eyes. Kennedy is RIGHT.  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 01:34 PM   #11 
        - That Would Have Sickened Me As Well  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 01:40 PM   #17 
        - They did ask, and I was heartbroken.  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 01:42 PM   #23 
           - I'm Sorry Jen.. That Must Have Been Really Difficult  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 01:52 PM   #30 
        - I live in NY  Tyrone Slothrop   Jun-01-06 02:36 PM   #59 
        - blame it on HARVA  NewYorkerfromMass   Jun-01-06 03:55 PM   #93 
        - That is one of the saddest things I have ever read in my entire life.  VolcanoJen   Jun-02-06 12:13 PM   #268 
        - awful  mdmc   Jun-02-06 03:03 PM   #284 
        - There is a reason I call myself purgedvoter.  PurgedVoter   Jun-01-06 03:24 PM   #80 
        - That is so  zidzi   Jun-01-06 08:21 PM   #170 
           - Not really, that frustrating but thanks,  PurgedVoter   Jun-01-06 09:37 PM   #183 
        - Jason watched the same thing happen  prolesunited   Jun-02-06 11:25 AM   #257 
  - The Timing is Just Right  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 01:29 PM   #4 
  - Exactly - they needed the public to understand the CORRUPTION of GOPs in  blm   Jun-01-06 02:30 PM   #55 
     - yes... just like the last Presidential Election in the Ukraine  stepnw1f   Jun-01-06 10:02 PM   #186 
  - Keep in mind, Ohio was only one state. Florida, New Mexico come to mind...  Notoverit   Jun-01-06 01:29 PM   #5 
  - Thanks for posting this...  bluefish   Jun-01-06 01:30 PM   #6 
  - You can also scroll down to the bottom and give opinions :-)  Deb   Jun-01-06 01:33 PM   #7 
  - keep this sucker kicked  CatWoman   Jun-01-06 01:33 PM   #8 
  - Better late than never  Downtown Hound   Jun-01-06 01:33 PM   #9 
  - In politics, timing is critical. I think Mr Kennedy has.......  Esra Star   Jun-01-06 05:38 PM   #129 
  - another reason I love DU  NJCher   Jun-02-06 12:56 AM   #207 
  - This deserves to go straight to the TOP of the Greatest Page.  Stand and Fight   Jun-01-06 01:34 PM   #10 
  - Thank you, kpete! As devastating as this story is, I'm so glad it's  babylonsister   Jun-01-06 01:35 PM   #12 
  - Sister and Brothers...  kpete   Jun-01-06 01:38 PM   #15 
  - This is a damn good article  MelissaB   Jun-01-06 01:35 PM   #13 
  - I want the thieves to hang.  aquart   Jun-01-06 01:38 PM   #14 
  - Reading this article just depresses me. We have known this  carolinalady   Jun-01-06 01:39 PM   #16 
  - Exit polls vs results  Notoverit   Jun-01-06 01:40 PM   #18 
  - Do you have a link for that?  MsKandice01   Jun-01-06 04:07 PM   #100 
  - Link  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-01-06 04:40 PM   #114 
  - umm.....  Febble   Jun-01-06 07:03 PM   #154 
  - link to all the graphs  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-01-06 09:49 PM   #184 
  - Remember These CNN screen shots.  fearnobush   Jun-02-06 12:31 AM   #203 
  - Is this going to be Rolling Stone's Cover Story?  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 01:41 PM   #19 
  - yes!!!!!  mod mom   Jun-01-06 03:39 PM   #87 
  - The first page alone is absolutely damning!  Gregorian   Jun-01-06 01:41 PM   #20 
  - thanks, I was looking for this earlier  LSK   Jun-01-06 01:41 PM   #21 
  - How much longer will the politicos IGNORE THIS FREAKIN' ISSUE???  in_cog_ni_to   Jun-01-06 01:42 PM   #22 
  - Curiouser and curiouser  truedelphi   Jun-01-06 01:43 PM   #24 
  - lol, actually I think the new republican way is  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 01:49 PM   #27 
  - I think that is exactly right.  soonerhoosier   Jun-01-06 03:12 PM   #74 
  - Shouldn't Blackwell be in jail for subverting an election?  Gregorian   Jun-01-06 01:53 PM   # 
  - Absolutely. Blackwell is a criminal who deserves hard prison time.  NEOBuckeye   Jun-02-06 12:42 AM   #204 
     - Blackwell WILL be the next Governor...The voting machines will steal it  LaPera   Jun-02-06 02:39 AM   #225 
  - she'd just plead "Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity"...  Raster   Jun-01-06 02:19 PM   #50 
  - Riveting.... look at this paragraph, for those who forgot the Exit Polls.  VolcanoJen   Jun-01-06 01:44 PM   #25 
  - I read a synopsis of this 2 years ago...where have they been???  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 01:50 PM   #29 
  - Damn  DoYouEverWonder   Jun-01-06 01:54 PM   #35 
  - where is TIA?  grasswire   Jun-01-06 02:45 PM   #68 
     - TruthIsAll  DoYouEverWonder   Jun-01-06 03:19 PM   #78 
        - I hope TruthIsAll knows he was a BIG BIG part in getting this story out  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-01-06 06:37 PM   #144 
           - Can't read anything about the polls without thinking of TIA  CornField   Jun-02-06 01:24 AM   #214 
  - it is so painful to read those words  renate   Jun-01-06 05:35 PM   #127 
  - There is much more to this story than illegal suppression of Dem votes  Peace Patriot   Jun-01-06 01:46 PM   #26 
  - Outstanding work, Peace Patriot  me b zola   Jun-02-06 12:59 AM   #208 
  - I dedicate this story...  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jun-01-06 01:50 PM   #28 
  - absolutely, I remember a lot of his material...I read so much  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 01:53 PM   #33 
  - I was a lurker until this post.  PhilYerHead   Jun-01-06 05:53 PM   #135 
     - Welcome to DU, :)  hopeisaplace   Jun-01-06 09:56 PM   #185 
  - I will join you on this, T_S.....  DemExpat   Jun-01-06 02:25 PM   #52 
  - Square that salute, buddy.  blm   Jun-01-06 02:28 PM   #54 
  - what has happened to TIA?  lavenderdiva   Jun-01-06 02:41 PM   #64 
  - I have the same question! I think of TIA everytime I read about exit  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-01-06 04:24 PM   #106 
  - Google Truthisall he can be contacted. I just wrote him a letter.  rainy   Jun-01-06 04:25 PM   #107 
  - Scrubbing people off the registration lists in Ohio  JPZenger   Jun-01-06 01:52 PM   #31 
  - thank you kpete, for posting this--  lavenderdiva   Jun-01-06 01:52 PM   #32 
  - I'll have to pick up the hard copy at the store  rox63   Jun-01-06 01:53 PM   #34 
  - thank you-k&r !!!  JennasLiver   Jun-01-06 01:57 PM   #36 
  - Told KO to cover this on Countdown...  originalpckelly   Jun-01-06 02:01 PM   #37 
  - GREAT idea!  helderheid   Jun-01-06 02:03 PM   #39 
  - Reading this  PearliePoo2   Jun-01-06 02:02 PM   #38 
  - I did exactly the same thing  Downtown Hound   Jun-01-06 02:43 PM   #66 
  - yup...  PearliePoo2   Jun-01-06 03:30 PM   #84 
  - No, I was okay, heh, heh  Downtown Hound   Jun-01-06 03:57 PM   #95 
     - nice words Hound  PearliePoo2   Jun-01-06 04:33 PM   #111 
     - I joined  Epiphany4z   Jun-01-06 08:26 PM   #172 
  - I know when Bush gave the signal to flip the election...  tinrobot   Jun-01-06 03:31 PM   #85 
     - Was that the quick trip to Ohio?  blogslut   Jun-01-06 06:53 PM   #152 
     - After that...  tinrobot   Jun-01-06 07:27 PM   #156 
        - hmmm  blogslut   Jun-01-06 07:40 PM   #163 
     - same thing happened in 2000.... wasn't it earlier, though... I thought it  blm   Jun-01-06 10:23 PM   #190 
  - It sure does  Epiphany4z   Jun-01-06 08:19 PM   #169 
  - Went to bed in 2k and 2k4 expecting the best..  NastyDiaper   Jun-01-06 02:09 PM   #40 
  - I suspected with the machines they'd steal it but was hopeful.  helderheid   Jun-01-06 02:10 PM   #43 
  - kick for your sig!  mdmc   Jun-01-06 03:47 PM   #92 
     - kick for that ADORABLE picture!  renate   Jun-01-06 05:44 PM   #131 
        - thanks for your post  mdmc   Jun-01-06 11:42 PM   #199 
  - Well, there it is America. Laid out for all to see.  Gregorian   Jun-01-06 02:09 PM   #41 
  - kick  skypilot   Jun-01-06 02:10 PM   #42 
  - Blackwell not only has dirt on his hands, they are covered in blood  tinfoilinfor2005   Jun-01-06 02:11 PM   #44 
  - blackwell is guilty of Electoral Treason, a crime which should be  Raster   Jun-01-06 02:17 PM   #48 
     - I'd settle for hard prison time.  NEOBuckeye   Jun-02-06 12:54 AM   #206 
  - Stunning and Indisputable  Beetwasher   Jun-01-06 02:14 PM   #45 
  - Finally!  memory   Jun-01-06 02:14 PM   #46 
  - damn good article  Jeffersons Ghost   Jun-01-06 02:17 PM   #47 
  - Is this a ground-breaking article? It feels like it.  Kurovski   Jun-01-06 02:18 PM   #49 
  - Hee! He even links to the Blackwell letter  MelissaB   Jun-01-06 02:23 PM   #51 
  - Looks like others now joining the conspiracy nuts like us at DU  DemExpat   Jun-01-06 02:28 PM   #53 
  - kicking n/t  emulatorloo   Jun-01-06 02:33 PM   #56 
  - Kick  Amaryllis   Jun-01-06 02:33 PM   #57 
  - Printer Friendly Version  kpete   Jun-01-06 02:36 PM   #58 
  - The printer friendly only shows the first quarter of the article. nt  tandem5   Jun-01-06 02:41 PM   #63 
     - I thought it stopped in a weird place  NoSheep   Jun-02-06 11:40 AM   #259 
  - Thanks, kpete!  Patsy Stone   Jun-01-06 02:38 PM   #60 
  - Great article, k & r....blahblahblah...but  dwp6577   Jun-01-06 02:40 PM   #61 
  - kickeroni!  daveskilt   Jun-01-06 02:41 PM   #62 
  - Thanks so much kpete.  Ladyhawk   Jun-01-06 02:43 PM   #65 
  - In short, was the election stolen? YES!!!!!!!!!!!  EOO   Jun-01-06 02:45 PM   #67 
  - YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!  AAARRRGGGHHH   Jun-01-06 02:56 PM   #69 
  - The truth. FINALLY.  fooj   Jun-01-06 02:57 PM   #70 
  - Will the Chair of the Franklin Co Dem Party now offer election reformers  mod mom   Jun-01-06 03:01 PM   #71 
  - I did a lot of interviews during the whole Ohio Recount mess...  stevenleser   Jun-01-06 03:03 PM   #72 
  - I did...and I'd like to see more links, too!  renate   Jun-01-06 05:59 PM   #136 
     - My pleasure, check this out...  stevenleser   Jun-01-06 08:39 PM   #177 
  - We need to send this to all of our reps.  oxbow   Jun-01-06 03:07 PM   #73 
  - Also send a copy to the editors of your local newspaper.  blm   Jun-01-06 10:12 PM   #187 
  - Yes it's on the cover of the magazine-top banner!  Generator   Jun-01-06 03:13 PM   #75 
  - Kick for...  obreaslan   Jun-01-06 03:15 PM   #76 
  - "And we'll find you a leader that you can elect"  robertpaulsen   Jun-01-06 04:34 PM   #112 
  - K&R!  cat_girl25   Jun-01-06 03:18 PM   #77 
  - felt like I should say something too  jsamuel   Jun-01-06 03:21 PM   #79 
  - "We... cannot be certain that the right man now occupies the Oval Office."  MallRat   Jun-01-06 03:25 PM   #81 
  - We knew most of this the day after the election  tinrobot   Jun-01-06 03:28 PM   #82 
  - tinrobot is exactly right.  disndat   Jun-01-06 05:01 PM   #116 
     - Consider, PROVING Fraud is a Catch 22. You can't get into the machines  cryingshame   Jun-01-06 05:21 PM   #123 
        - Exit polls are accurate  disndat   Jun-01-06 07:51 PM   #166 
           - nope, sorry, that's my field  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-01-06 08:29 PM   #173 
              - And in 88 the exit polls showed  Yupster   Jun-02-06 12:18 AM   #202 
              - haven't we been here before? ;)  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 09:28 AM   #247 
                 - The Dukakis Pennsylvania call  Yupster   Jun-02-06 01:53 PM   #276 
                    - ah, cool story  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 02:59 PM   #283 
              - OTOH...  me b zola   Jun-02-06 01:26 AM   #216 
                 - say what?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 09:25 AM   #246 
                    - Nations that want to prove legitimacy of their elections...  me b zola   Jun-02-06 10:34 AM   #253 
                       - well, it is important to check facts  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 12:12 PM   #267 
                          - (Carter on U.S. elections in his own words)  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 03:06 PM   #285 
  - Look at this quote  geardaddy   Jun-01-06 03:28 PM   #83 
  - Welcome to DU, geardaddy! As for Freeman --  IndyOp   Jun-01-06 04:02 PM   #99 
     - Thanks IndyOp  geardaddy   Jun-01-06 04:16 PM   #104 
        - good catch, geardaddy!  renate   Jun-01-06 05:49 PM   #134 
  - Up on Cincinnati Enquirer Political Blog:  mod mom   Jun-01-06 03:34 PM   #86 
  - Excellent article, complete with all references. Kudos to Rolling Stone!  sinkingfeeling   Jun-01-06 03:39 PM   #88 
  - Thank you Bobby!  DFW   Jun-01-06 03:39 PM   #89 
  - RFK jr. 2008!  mdmc   Jun-01-06 03:41 PM   #90 
  - Yeah Baby! n/t  Southpawkicker   Jun-01-06 06:41 PM   #147 
  - I am speechless... I am so proud of RFK  DearAbby   Jun-01-06 03:43 PM   #91 
  - Hopefully, this will start the debate  InaneAnanity   Jun-01-06 03:56 PM   #94 
  - What an article!  DUBYASCREWEDUS   Jun-01-06 03:58 PM   #96 
  - DU was the only place where people stayed focused on this.  bleever   Jun-01-06 04:01 PM   #97 
  - we believed  Faye   Jun-01-06 07:35 PM   #159 
  - And we were right.  bleever   Jun-01-06 07:48 PM   #165 
  - Yes, we believed. And we still believe,  Raksha   Jun-02-06 03:30 AM   #232 
  - Let the good times roll.  reprehensor   Jun-01-06 04:01 PM   #98 
  - It's about damn time  Ammonium   Jun-01-06 04:12 PM   #101 
  - It has a map showing the polls vs. the results......  kerry-is-my-prez   Jun-01-06 04:13 PM   #102 
  - God, I love you kpete!!! Thanks so much for posting this and all  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-01-06 04:15 PM   #103 
  - Are we Wise and Angry Enough Today Sara?  kpete   Jun-01-06 04:29 PM   #109 
     - You can make claims to wisdom! (not me, my name is wrong!!!)  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-01-06 05:10 PM   #119 
        - I am probably older than you  kpete   Jun-01-06 05:15 PM   #122 
           - I bet you're not older, but I've not that mature for my age either! BTW,  WiseButAngrySara   Jun-01-06 11:35 PM   #197 
  - I'm afraid it will be water off a ducks back for most people...  GOTV   Jun-01-06 04:18 PM   #105 
  - Truth, but no justice.  Minstrel Boy   Jun-01-06 04:25 PM   #108 
  - I could only get through half of this article  durrrty libby   Jun-01-06 04:31 PM   #110 
  - true WHAT can we do NOW ! I did send the link...  jarnocan   Jun-01-06 08:18 PM   #168 
  - "...a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people..."  milkyway   Jun-01-06 04:35 PM   #113 
  - Spread this far and wide. Without the right to vote, all is lost.  bj2110   Jun-01-06 04:51 PM   #115 
  - Spreading...n/t  Ladyhawk   Jun-01-06 05:01 PM   #117 
  - I'm satisfied.  JackDragna   Jun-01-06 05:04 PM   #118 
  - K&R  RedSpartan   Jun-01-06 05:11 PM   #120 
  - This took less than 2 years. Good work DU and everybody!  McCamy Taylor   Jun-01-06 05:12 PM   #121 
  - The next morning after the election...  Ragazz68   Jun-01-06 05:22 PM   #124 
  - He forgot another one  nxylas   Jun-01-06 05:22 PM   #125 
  - Welcome to DU  ellisonz   Jun-02-06 06:18 AM   #240 
  - Huff Po's commentary getting freeped. Anyone interested in giving a  mod mom   Jun-01-06 05:24 PM   #126 
  - ugh  Faye   Jun-01-06 06:27 PM   #142 
     - I posted a link to your film in my comment on Huff Po!  mod mom   Jun-01-06 06:44 PM   #148 
        - ooo  Faye   Jun-01-06 07:27 PM   #157 
           - no, I linked to Velvet Revolution site, so no freeper mail!  mod mom   Jun-02-06 03:18 PM   #288 
  - Takes me back to Election Night '04..Kerry had a substantial lead  AzDar   Jun-01-06 05:37 PM   #128 
  - excellent... kick  trekbiker   Jun-01-06 05:39 PM   #130 
  - Thank you RFK your Dad's smiling somewhere  bklyncowgirl   Jun-01-06 05:44 PM   #132 
  - We know what KKKarl was doing election night. (photo)  deminks   Jun-01-06 05:47 PM   #133 
  - Nov. 2006  Blutodog   Jun-01-06 05:59 PM   #137 
  - Google on: "Robert F Kennedy"  LongTomH   Jun-01-06 06:00 PM   #138 
  - It was a coup d'etat  degreesofgray   Jun-01-06 06:04 PM   #139 
  - the machinery of a coup was complex  ngant17   Jun-01-06 06:41 PM   #146 
  - This article means nothing.  brainshrub   Jun-01-06 06:16 PM   #140 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-06 08:25 PM   #171 
     - ..and therein lies the dilemma in Gore's head.  lildreamer316   Jun-02-06 05:26 AM   #238 
  - This article  Hope2006   Jun-01-06 06:26 PM   #141 
  - Proves 2 things - election fraud and collusion of the media  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-01-06 06:34 PM   #143 
  - Why wasn't it the Post or the Times? Collusion and collaboration.  Raster   Jun-01-06 06:45 PM   #149 
  - Kennedy For Prez!  Southpawkicker   Jun-01-06 06:40 PM   #145 
  - This is why I remain a registered Republican  Pluvious   Jun-01-06 06:48 PM   #150 
  - kick and recommended!!! n/t  Swamp Rat   Jun-01-06 06:50 PM   #151 
  - Great article; why am I so depressed by it???  SmokingJacket   Jun-01-06 06:54 PM   #153 
  - This really burns me up: 80,000 votes RFK Jr. calls OUTRIGHT FRAUD!  robertpaulsen   Jun-01-06 07:25 PM   #155 
  - but it isn't true (although other stuff in the article is)  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-01-06 08:40 PM   #178 
     - What does Gore 2000 have to do with the 2004 election? n/t  wisteria   Jun-01-06 11:22 PM   #192 
     - it refutes the claim that downticket candidates  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 09:31 AM   #249 
     - Re: but it isn't true (although other stuff in the article is)  PhilipDC   Jun-02-06 10:55 AM   #255 
     - whoops, if I had seen yours first...  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 05:49 PM   #296 
     - "NEW" versus "ALL" -- the article is right. nt  smartvoter   Jun-02-06 11:41 AM   #260 
     - no, I don't think so  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 12:23 PM   #270 
     - 80,000 for Kerry to 160,000 for *=vote flipping  mod mom   Jun-02-06 03:21 PM   #289 
        - right, but the "troubling evidence of outright fraud" is  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-02-06 05:57 PM   #297 
  - very very very very good  Faye   Jun-01-06 07:32 PM   #158 
  - They will be instructed not to read it. They must obey. nt  smartvoter   Jun-02-06 11:43 AM   #262 
  - So, what the hell do we do?  Onlooker   Jun-01-06 07:35 PM   #160 
  - Blackwell needs to go to prison for a long long time n/t  peanutbrittle   Jun-01-06 07:37 PM   #161 
  - He also needs to be defeated in his run for Gov. n/t  wisteria   Jun-01-06 11:23 PM   #193 
  - So there you have it...........  ClintonTyree   Jun-01-06 07:39 PM   #162 
  - Did anyone on Air America or Ed Schultz talk about this today????  Quixote1818   Jun-01-06 07:42 PM   #164 
  - Thom Hartmann talks about it all the time. Shultz and Franken aren't  Amaryllis   Jun-01-06 08:56 PM   #179 
  - Thank you john boy!  The Sushi Bandit   Jun-01-06 08:17 PM   #167 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-06 08:35 PM   #174 
     - That's horsepoo - if Kerry WAS part of it then WHY did he BEAT BUSH so  blm   Jun-01-06 10:19 PM   #189 
     - good points!! why WOULD kerry beat-up * in the debates,  txb   Jun-01-06 11:30 PM   #194 
        - You think Kerry wasn't a part of why Kennedy took on this issue? Or that  blm   Jun-02-06 02:22 AM   #219 
           - 2 Court Cases in OH -- keep waiting for Mr. Kerry? Gimme a BREAK!  txb   Jun-02-06 02:57 AM   #226 
              - Kerry WAS quoted in the article - did you even READ THE ARTICLE?  blm   Jun-02-06 03:00 AM   #227 
              - swftboating....nice misdirection. now calm down.....  txb   Jun-02-06 03:35 AM   #233 
                 - There are many logical reasons why Kerry chose to concede.  wisteria   Jun-02-06 08:09 AM   #242 
                    - What if  disndat   Jun-02-06 12:11 PM   #266 
              - Kerry enigma  disndat   Jun-02-06 08:19 AM   #243 
                 - What a crock - Kerry was the senator who INITIATED Alito filibuster when  blm   Jun-02-06 09:30 AM   #248 
                 - Nagourney is poisonous  disndat   Jun-02-06 10:36 AM   #254 
                 - You forget Gore has been stigmatized also.  wisteria   Jun-02-06 12:08 PM   #265 
                 - Are you kidding?  TheGoldenRule   Jun-02-06 12:32 PM   #272 
                    - That's ABSURD - if Gore was serious about fraud, he had 4 years to  blm   Jun-02-06 02:08 PM   #277 
                    - reality? how about John Kerry tries reality?  txb   Jun-02-06 02:21 PM   #279 
                       - History will show that IranContra, BCCI, illegal wars in Central America,  blm   Jun-02-06 02:35 PM   #280 
                          - nice point re: history.....  txb   Jun-02-06 02:43 PM   #281 
                             - Conyers and Kerry are working together - no one could be so obtuse  blm   Jun-02-06 02:48 PM   #282 
                                - conyers is forced to work with Kerry cause the guy won't go away...  txb   Jun-02-06 03:09 PM   #286 
                                   - Clinton had the benefit of running with BAD HEADLINES for Bush1 thanks to  blm   Jun-02-06 03:16 PM   #287 
                                      - you are off your rocker officially now.  txb   Jun-02-06 03:24 PM   #290 
                                         - HE HAD NO EVIDENCE - get it through the cloud - machines need securing  blm   Jun-02-06 03:32 PM   #292 
                    - Excellent Points! Who does John Kerry think we are?!  txb   Jun-02-06 02:10 PM   #278 
                 - I strongly disagree with most of what you say.  wisteria   Jun-02-06 11:55 AM   #263 
     - , Huh? Your post is just plain nonsense. Kerry is still just about the  wisteria   Jun-01-06 11:30 PM   #195 
     - Welcome to DU;  lildreamer316   Jun-02-06 05:32 AM   #239 
        - thanks! 8-)  txb   Jun-02-06 10:25 AM   #252 
           - yeah i saw the 23 posts and thought  daveskilt   Jun-02-06 10:24 PM   #300 
  - "Mighty Texas Strike Force"..does that burn your ass or what! n/t  peanutbrittle   Jun-01-06 08:36 PM   #175 
  - eww tanks kpete.  lonestarnot   Jun-01-06 08:37 PM   #176 
  - Maybe some country will invade us  democrank   Jun-01-06 08:58 PM   #180 
  - Oh happy Day  malaise   Jun-01-06 09:13 PM   #181 
  - kick for RFK Jr.  peekaloo   Jun-01-06 09:29 PM   #182 
  - KICK!  Connie_Corleone   Jun-01-06 10:13 PM   #188 
  - Thank you, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.  charles t   Jun-01-06 10:46 PM   #191 
  - Wow, that could have been written by TIA  Redneck Socialist   Jun-01-06 11:34 PM   #196 
  - great post and great article. It is nice to have a respected man such  wisteria   Jun-01-06 11:36 PM   #198 
  - I was just trying to debate this with someone  upi402   Jun-01-06 11:59 PM   #200 
  - I live in Columbus, OH  Botany   Jun-02-06 12:16 AM   #201 
  - I was in Akron-Canton area that day...I saw it too...  Pachamama   Jun-02-06 02:32 AM   #221 
  - Me too! On the East side of Columbus. My precinct includes our convict  mod mom   Jun-02-06 03:30 PM   #291 
  - Loved most of it  Land Shark   Jun-02-06 12:49 AM   #205 
  - Glad the article was done, thank you RFK JR. Now lets bring on the  autorank   Jun-02-06 01:56 AM   #217 
  - Has John Kerry or any other High Profile Democrat  brettdale   Jun-02-06 01:04 AM   #209 
  - Should we mass email this to the media  brettdale   Jun-02-06 01:06 AM   #210 
  - Yes, but do more than that (see below) n/t  Senator   Jun-02-06 01:10 AM   #212 
  - OK - Party Tonight --- Tommorrow, Get to Work !!!  Senator   Jun-02-06 01:09 AM   #211 
  - So many of us feel helpless most of the time.  dancingAlone   Jun-02-06 08:55 AM   #245 
  - will do it  NJCher   Jun-02-06 10:07 AM   #251 
  - Republicans are soooo EVIL. They are maggots from hell.  Zorra   Jun-02-06 01:11 AM   #213 
  - MOST IMPORTANT SENTENCE OF THE ARTICLE!!  CornField   Jun-02-06 01:24 AM   #215 
  - OMG! This has to be stopped! This will be the destruction of much of  Pachamama   Jun-02-06 02:20 AM   #218 
     - Don't worry, the cat is out of the bag.  dailykoff   Jun-02-06 02:32 AM   #222 
     - it IS utterly sickening, but...  renate   Jun-02-06 03:02 AM   #228 
  - . . . and that's why they killed JFK Jr.  dailykoff   Jun-02-06 02:27 AM   #220 
  - Your correct...Republicans knew JFK Jr. was the democrats future golden  LaPera   Jun-02-06 02:36 AM   #224 
  - Excellent! K&R.  Vidar   Jun-02-06 02:34 AM   #223 
  - When will KERRY have something to say about this???  txb   Jun-02-06 03:07 AM   #230 
     - We Should Replace Bush with Kerry  stepnw1f   Jun-02-06 03:41 PM   #293 
  - I don't know to what extent  DFW   Jun-02-06 03:05 AM   #229 
  - the silence is deafening!  txb   Jun-02-06 03:25 AM   #231 
  - Quote from Kerry in Rolling Stone Article:  txb   Jun-02-06 04:01 AM   #234 
     - Constant attacks on Kerry who wants all electronic voting machines banned  blm   Jun-02-06 09:39 AM   #250 
        - Pretty Obvious Isn't It blm?  stepnw1f   Jun-02-06 03:42 PM   #294 
  - no  Faye   Jun-02-06 11:58 AM   #264 
  - I live in one of the Ohio counties discussed. Voting that day was a joke.  cassiepriam   Jun-02-06 04:20 AM   #235 
  - ttt n/t  Blue_Tires   Jun-02-06 04:42 AM   #236 
  - kick! for TIA! n/t  WeHoldTheseTruths   Jun-02-06 05:07 AM   #237 
  - Paper ballots and Hand counts NOW!!! Democracy NOW!!! God speed RFK & TIA!  In Truth We Trust   Jun-02-06 06:49 AM   #241 
  - Oh happy day. n/t  NoSheep   Jun-02-06 08:29 AM   #244 
  - Why doesn' t everyone register as a repub, then vote dem?  halobeam   Jun-02-06 11:03 AM   #256 
  - Damn! Thats an idea. My SO registered as an independent for that very  NoSheep   Jun-02-06 11:42 AM   #261 
     - Honest question,  halobeam   Jun-02-06 12:31 PM   #271 
  - This is the issue that brought me to DU. RFK Jr. is My Hero!  TheGoldenRule   Jun-02-06 11:34 AM   #258 
  - I've Believed This All Along... Having Watched Results Here In Florida  ChiciB1   Jun-02-06 12:22 PM   #269 
  - This article confirms my own beliefs and evidence about 2004  distantearlywarning   Jun-02-06 12:34 PM   #273 
  - This is so excellent.  bloom   Jun-02-06 12:45 PM   #274 
  - "The biggest most important story in the history of the United States"  LaPera   Jun-02-06 01:15 PM   #275 
  - PRESIDENT KERRY  stepnw1f   Jun-02-06 03:43 PM   #295 
  - Dupe!  LaPera   Jun-02-06 08:15 PM   #298 
  - Cheers to Rolling Stone Magazine & RFK Jr. Buy a copy & give it to someone  LaPera   Jun-02-06 08:15 PM   #299 
 

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