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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:11 PM
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93. hmm, you almost had me, untill...
If they die in the desert, it is not our problem.

yeah, actually, it is our problem (well, at least it's my problem) See, I think that the idea that somewhere, in our own neighborhood no less, conditions are so pitiful and awful, that people are willing to cross a desert, at serious risk of life and limb, just for the opportunity to perhaps escape it, that's my problem. People dying from sheer desperation? that's my problem. If you want to live in a gated community, walled off from suffering, that's your choice, but don't go pretending it's the honorable one.

just a couple of other small points: first off, in the time since the border fence in San Diego was constructed, drug trafficking and crime have gone down across the entire country. Can we blame the decrease in petty crime in Minneapolis on the new border fence in San Diego?

Second off, last year, and estimated 15,000 illegal immigrants entered the US from China. Last time I checked, and my GoogleEarth may be out of date, continental drift hasn't changed the fact that China is 6,000 miles away, and there's the small matter of an ocean in the way. There are roughly 15,000 illegal immigrants from Russia annually. Russia, last time I checked, was roughly as far away as China (or maybe they're swimming the Bering Straits?) no, they come, seeking a better life, and are then owned by organized crime syndicates. It's like slavery, without the cotton gin.

Ironically, one of the major complaints about illegal immigrants is that they don't go home. Well of course they don't go home, WE BUILT A FUCKING FENCE TO KEEP THEM IN. people used to basically migrate across the border, seasonally. if you were a lettuce picker, you came over for the lettuce season and then went home. Can't do that anymore, now you have to stay, it's too risky and expensive to cross. So instead of migrant workers, we get a permanent slave class. make it harder, and you will have a permanent slave class dependant on organized crime. fun, that.
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  -PIC of fence minutemen are building --what a JOKE-- habitual  May-28-06 03:41 PM   #0 
  - no no-- really-- that'll stop them mex'cans dead in their tracks....  mike_c   May-28-06 03:42 PM   #1 
  - More pictures at FreeRepublic  ny_liberal   May-28-06 05:00 PM   #28 
     - Alan Keyes is there helping them  ny_liberal   May-28-06 05:01 PM   #29 
     - "I wish we could clone him."  progdonkey   May-28-06 06:26 PM   #35 
     - even the republicans in my corner of northern illinois  madrchsod   May-28-06 06:55 PM   #38 
     - hahahahah! The Iwo Jima picture!  lies and propaganda   May-28-06 05:17 PM   #33 
     - Years ago when they started the "canteen", they used REAL WWII  SoCalDem   May-29-06 12:43 AM   #48 
     - pics  SeaBob   May-28-06 06:40 PM   #37 
  - I hear they're going to electrify it  Canuckistanian   May-28-06 03:44 PM   #2 
  - Somehow chicken wire DOES seem appropriate....  hlthe2b   May-28-06 03:44 PM   #3 
  - Maybe it isn't finished?  NYC   May-28-06 03:45 PM   #4 
  - that's it! Of course. A good cattle fence  BareNakedLiberal   May-28-06 04:10 PM   #9 
     - It's tall enough to keep a cow in.  NYC   May-28-06 04:17 PM   #15 
        - That's only in Gary Larson's world n/t  BareNakedLiberal   May-29-06 04:00 PM   #100 
  - It is a long way off their original idea:  habitual   May-28-06 03:53 PM   #5 
  - Gee I wonder  NV Whino   May-28-06 04:05 PM   #7 
  - They were planning an "Israeli-style" border fence  DesertRat   May-28-06 04:15 PM   #14 
  - I don't see any chicken wire in the blueprint.  tives12   May-28-06 04:26 PM   #18 
  - Yep, none of them 320 lb Mexicans will be able to fit between the wires  Lefty48197   May-28-06 11:52 PM   #44 
  - Isn't that always the way? Guys *never* read the instructions.  Fridays Child   May-28-06 04:33 PM   #20 
  - Now be nice. Rome didn't decline and fall over night, you know.  Bucky   May-29-06 12:28 AM   #46 
  - A bunch of pathetic, ignorant people filled with hatred for the "other."  Cyrano   May-28-06 04:05 PM   #6 
  - Nice fence  norml   May-28-06 04:09 PM   #8 
  - Cows With Guns - The Movie:  IndyOp   May-29-06 10:27 AM   #74 
  - That's a cattle fence. My property is surrounded by it to keep the cows  Mountainman   May-28-06 04:12 PM   #10 
  - Convince them that illegals are sneaking onto your land  DesertRat   May-28-06 04:22 PM   #17 
  - My Dad built better fence for cattle!  lonestarnot   May-28-06 04:12 PM   #11 
  - I was gonna say...  LizW   May-29-06 08:14 AM   #53 
     - Just total twits.  lonestarnot   May-29-06 10:17 AM   #71 
  - Surely, that has to be a publicity stunt...  Jazz2006   May-28-06 04:13 PM   #12 
  - The Daily Show did a great segment on this.  Gregorian   May-28-06 04:14 PM   #13 
  - A cheap wire cutter and BINGO....across comes the maddening crowd  opihimoimoi   May-28-06 04:21 PM   #16 
  - "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that cattle fence." n/t  phylny   May-28-06 04:26 PM   #19 
  - LOL  DesertRat   May-28-06 04:40 PM   #24 
  - The ultimate plan...  BringEmOn   May-28-06 04:36 PM   #21 
  - Npw them pesky rabbits won't get our veggie garden!  SalmonChantedEvening   May-28-06 04:37 PM   #22 
  - Could I get those guys out to fix some potholes on my street?  Jara sang   May-28-06 04:39 PM   #23 
  - Oh mh G-d. . .why are they embarassing my state of Arizona!  SammyBlue   May-28-06 04:45 PM   #25 
  - Are the flags part of the defense system?  greekspeak   May-28-06 04:51 PM   #26 
  - I was thinking the same thing  Mr_Spock   May-28-06 05:05 PM   #30 
  - they devolve a rational symbol of a nation...  NuttyFluffers   May-28-06 08:37 PM   #42 
  - Well, that'll stop the cattle from immigrating at least.  Marr   May-28-06 04:58 PM   #27 
  - Maybe they need to use some Mexicans to get people qualified to do actual  ryan_cats   May-28-06 05:12 PM   #31 
  - Alan Keyes doesn't strike me as a Nascar type  ny_liberal   May-28-06 05:15 PM   #32 
     - I didn't see Keyes.  ryan_cats   May-28-06 06:16 PM   #34 
  - Jesus christ, Stephanie Miller was right again,  SethInUpstateNY   May-28-06 06:36 PM   #36 
  - I wonder if they have it in the right place  treestar   May-28-06 06:57 PM   #39 
  - We've got a surplus of the one thing we 'Merkins can still manufacture!  impeachdubya   May-28-06 06:59 PM   #40 
  - Now, now, hubris production has been up since FY02... (n/t)  Posteritatis   May-29-06 03:06 PM   #99 
  - Yeah, and other protesters (civil rights, anti-war, etc.)  DeaconBlues   May-28-06 07:06 PM   #41 
  - The purely ridiculous nature of this whole thing  manic expression   May-29-06 05:48 PM   #103 
     - Sorry, but the economic well-being and sovereignty of our nation is not  DeaconBlues   May-29-06 06:04 PM   #107 
        - Come on  manic expression   May-29-06 09:31 PM   #109 
  - If I were in Mexico, and I saw those clowns, I'd build a fence of my own  Lefty48197   May-28-06 11:48 PM   #43 
  - here's another pic  habitual   May-29-06 12:19 AM   #45 
  - still under construction?  ny_liberal   May-29-06 12:43 AM   #47 
  - Hop? Hell I wouldn't even need to lift my feet that much higher than  NYC Liberal   May-29-06 12:53 AM   #49 
  - That's the section for REALLY REALLY SHORT illegal immigrants.  Buns_of_Fire   May-29-06 09:13 AM   #59 
  - But if you were Mexican, the American flags would form  Bouncy Ball   May-29-06 12:27 PM   #77 
  - Oooh, that puts both the Great Wall of China AND the Village People to  HypnoToad   May-29-06 01:54 PM   #91 
  - Say what? Free fencing for my ranch?  depakid   May-29-06 01:31 AM   #50 
  - The dumbshits are using bags of Mexican CONCRETE, I swear!  UTUSN   May-29-06 08:04 AM   #51 
  - That's because nothing is manufactured in the US anymore...  wizdum   May-29-06 09:28 AM   #64 
  - That doesn't necessarily mean it's Mexican concrete  jmowreader   May-29-06 01:36 PM   #86 
  - That's not a fence. It's a LOW HURDLE!  DemoTex   May-29-06 08:10 AM   #52 
  - It's not the fence that will stop them.  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-29-06 08:20 AM   #54 
  - Wouldn't it be more fun to do the limbo instead?  HypnoToad   May-29-06 01:55 PM   #92 
  - Wait--I think I get it--  vixengrl   May-29-06 08:29 AM   #55 
  - I'm with the minutemen on this one...  wizdum   May-29-06 09:00 AM   #56 
  - People are laughing at the flimsy fence....  DesertRat   May-29-06 09:11 AM   #58 
  - They just starting building it. It's not done yet.  wizdum   May-29-06 09:24 AM   #61 
  - " many lack debating skills."  depakid   May-29-06 09:25 AM   #63 
  - Not many facts in your post to support any position...  wizdum   May-29-06 09:35 AM   #65 
  - It's sort of tough to rebut ridiculous statements  depakid   May-29-06 09:45 AM   #67 
     - There is nothing in your link to the CDC to support your position..  wizdum   May-29-06 12:22 PM   #76 
     - Since you have no idea what you are talking about  depakid   May-29-06 05:00 PM   #101 
     - Here's a link you may find helpful....  wizdum   May-29-06 01:08 PM   #81 
  - Your post proves my point to a tee. It lacks even a modicum of thought.  wizdum   May-29-06 01:51 PM   #89 
  - so logically, instead of addressing the problem  northzax   May-29-06 09:44 AM   #66 
  - The border fence is working in San Diego, despite your denials...  wizdum   May-29-06 01:29 PM   #85 
     - hmm, you almost had me, untill...  northzax   May-29-06 02:11 PM   #93 
        - Thank you for respectfully forwarding your argument with key points...  wizdum   May-29-06 02:45 PM   #95 
  - Too Funny!! Why not imprison the corporate heads who hire them?  leesa   May-29-06 10:00 AM   #69 
  - Where's your argument? Disjointed statements strung together  wizdum   May-29-06 01:43 PM   #88 
  - It's called  manic expression   May-29-06 06:00 PM   #105 
  - Check out the Minutemen song  DesertRat   May-29-06 09:04 AM   #57 
  - They're patriots. That seems to be a dirty word around here.  wizdum   May-29-06 09:25 AM   #62 
     - That's an insult to DU and DUers and the Minutemen are NOT  UTUSN   May-29-06 10:23 AM   #72 
     - That is an observation about the discussions ongoing on this board...  wizdum   May-29-06 12:50 PM   #79 
        - Not with you OR them n/t  UTUSN   May-29-06 01:09 PM   #82 
        - You'll always be preaching to the choir then. How boring. Enjoy living in  wizdum   May-29-06 01:19 PM   #83 
           - Not really  manic expression   May-29-06 09:39 PM   #110 
        - Oh, here's an observation I have  manic expression   May-29-06 06:11 PM   #108 
     - They're idiots  manic expression   May-29-06 06:01 PM   #106 
  - Stop it man! Your killing me, this can't be for real.......  0007   May-29-06 09:17 AM   #60 
  - Those flags'll scare 'em off!  Zynx   May-29-06 09:52 AM   #68 
  - I personally think the Minuteman Project is a WONDERFUL  Democrat 4 Ever   May-29-06 10:17 AM   #70 
  - Two things.  Maestro   May-29-06 10:25 AM   #73 
  - MinuteMoron...I like it  DesertRat   May-29-06 12:14 PM   #75 
  - I'm all for a fence being built, but that is a joke. n/t  RebelOne   May-29-06 12:28 PM   #78 
  - Aren't those flags  malaise   May-29-06 12:54 PM   #80 
  - There is this nifty tool you can get at feed stores. It is a hammer,  Mountainman   May-29-06 01:26 PM   #84 
  - Why am I reminded of Blazing Saddles?  electricmonk   May-29-06 01:43 PM   #87 
  - That wouldn't keep out a determined mouse.  HypnoToad   May-29-06 01:53 PM   #90 
  - Oh sure, that will stop them. ROTFLMAO  genieroze   May-29-06 02:20 PM   #94 
  - Is there an agency in Mexico now handing out tin snips?  proud2Blib   May-29-06 02:47 PM   #96 
  - That is the most pathetic fence I have ever seen.  Fox Mulder   May-29-06 02:48 PM   #97 
  - While they are stringing chicken wire, a 1/2 mile tunnel is being dug...  maveric   May-29-06 02:52 PM   #98 
  - Mile down the road the republican congress is building a huge gate  B Calm   May-29-06 05:33 PM   #102 
  - Lazy, pathetic, and racist. Wanna-be's and never-will-be's.  ComerPerro   May-29-06 05:54 PM   #104 

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