sarahlee
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Mon May-29-06 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #134 |
| 136. Another on the same subject |
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NeoCons and the Democratic PartyIn the comments there: Saturday, May 27, 2006 by the Los Angeles Times
Strong Signs of Rift Among Democrats
Support for a Challenger to Longtime Sen. Joe Lieberman Indicates Tensions Over Iraq War
by Ronald Brownstein
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With the involvement of these groups, the face-off between Lieberman and Lamont in Connecticut's Aug. 8 primary has emerged as the focal point of tensions between Democratic liberals and centrists over the party's direction.
"This is a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party," said Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. "It will have repercussions for the 2008 presidential campaign and whether centrists will feel comfortable within the Democratic Party."...
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Wittmann said that if Lamont and his allies succeed in ousting Lieberman, "it would be devastating to the Democratic Party" by suggesting that centrists are no longer welcome.
"This shows that is trying to precipitate a civil war within the party," he said.
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 Kucinich discussing nationalizing the oil companies? |
Terran1212 |
May-28-06 12:06 PM |
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No matter what you thought of his electioneering, |
Drum |
May-28-06 12:11 PM |
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I hope you don't mind paying much more for your fuel |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 12:12 PM |
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Nonsense. |
TahitiNut |
May-28-06 12:28 PM |
#8 |
Objective underpinnings ? Nonsense? |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 02:48 PM |
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YES!!! |
bvar22 |
May-28-06 05:15 PM |
#61 |
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His obscene compensation was from stock options not from profits |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 06:41 PM |
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so it cost the company less than the actual value |
Moochy |
May-29-06 11:37 AM |
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"Social Security runs with a less than 2% overhead...?" |
Walt Disney |
May-28-06 07:44 PM |
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Nice talking point. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
May-29-06 09:16 AM |
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"The insolvency of SS has nothing to do with inefficiency." |
Walt Disney |
May-29-06 08:01 PM |
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It has to do with SPENDING on the eternal war against Islam and tax cuts |
Paulie |
May-30-06 11:52 AM |
#157 |
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What LOCK BOX...? |
Walt Disney |
May-30-06 08:22 PM |
#160 |
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"I can easily explain why prices would go up." |
gully |
May-28-06 06:28 PM |
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OK, |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 09:16 PM |
#82 |
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So basically the normal hiccups that accompany nationalization? |
Terran1212 |
May-28-06 09:18 PM |
#83 |
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I really don't see... |
The_Warmth |
May-29-06 02:04 AM |
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Supply and demand do not dictate short tem fluctuations |
eridani |
May-29-06 03:07 AM |
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*edited* |
Marr |
May-28-06 07:19 PM |
#74 |
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Private industry seeks to gain profit... |
MN Against Bush |
May-28-06 08:35 PM |
#78 |
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Really? |
donbrunton |
May-29-06 10:27 AM |
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Gasoline is more expensive |
northzax |
May-29-06 11:31 AM |
#127 |
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Automatically Invalidated |
ProfessorGAC |
May-30-06 10:02 AM |
#154 |
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Bull, don't play scare the shit out of people... |
libertypirate |
May-28-06 12:38 PM |
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Did it occur to you that the reason the countries that |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 02:53 PM |
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The US government doesn't have to run at insane profits, though |
Terran1212 |
May-28-06 09:09 PM |
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I know oil profits are the big boogie man on these threads, but |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 09:19 PM |
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But a public industry doesn't have to make any profit it all |
Terran1212 |
May-28-06 09:32 PM |
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What do you do about the dividends the oil companies |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 09:43 PM |
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I'm not an economics expert, but I think I do understand |
Terran1212 |
May-28-06 09:49 PM |
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You mean like the cost of healthcare when it 's nationalized? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-28-06 01:31 PM |
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Health care is not a commodity like oil |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 02:55 PM |
#41 |
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Actually, that's pretty easy to see, for Health Care... |
Solon |
May-28-06 03:44 PM |
#56 |
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Yes It Is |
ProfessorGAC |
May-30-06 10:04 AM |
#155 |
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How so? |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 01:34 PM |
#21 |
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I certainly agree his compensation was outrageous |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 02:57 PM |
#42 |
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You're right that it wouldn't affect world prices |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 03:05 PM |
#45 |
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For Big Oil, net profit margins are in the 5-10% range |
Telly Savalas |
May-28-06 09:50 PM |
#92 |
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5-10% profit margin are contrived |
heartofthesiskiyou |
May-29-06 04:00 AM |
#103 |
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I agree! If the govt owned the oil companies, our price at the pump |
Stevepol |
May-28-06 03:16 PM |
#48 |
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My point is pretty easy to understand |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 03:32 PM |
#52 |
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and let's not forget |
northzax |
May-29-06 11:39 AM |
#129 |
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Lee Raymond retired. There's a new CEO. |
phylny |
May-29-06 08:50 AM |
#114 |
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You are wrong. |
Lefty48197 |
May-28-06 01:41 PM |
#24 |
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Ding Ding Ding |
stepnw1f |
May-28-06 09:21 PM |
#85 |
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TERRRA!!! TERRAAA!!!11! |
realpolitik |
May-28-06 01:59 PM |
#26 |
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Not really |
Poppyseedman |
May-28-06 03:04 PM |
#44 |
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Yeah Really |
stepnw1f |
May-28-06 09:23 PM |
#86 |
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Yeah, private for-profit corporations can do if for so much cheaper. |
rucky |
May-29-06 04:49 AM |
#104 |
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Yeah like in Venezuela - and Saudi Arabia... |
rman |
May-29-06 05:00 AM |
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When it has happened in other countries the exact opposite has occured. |
Toots |
May-29-06 11:19 AM |
#124 |
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name one single net importer of oil |
northzax |
May-29-06 11:41 AM |
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Venezuela |
Toots |
May-30-06 09:36 AM |
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why would Venezuela import oil? |
northzax |
May-30-06 09:50 AM |
#153 |
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If this idea catches on I hope he is watching his back. I do not |
jwirr |
May-28-06 12:13 PM |
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By the time this happens, Cheney and Co. won't matter |
NEOBuckeye |
May-28-06 12:23 PM |
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"radical move" ??? |
stellanoir |
May-28-06 12:14 PM |
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I also think it's a good idea, but |
Terran1212 |
May-28-06 05:42 PM |
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Why "radical" proposals are needed |
sarahlee |
May-29-06 11:22 AM |
#125 |
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IMHO that's actually a bad idea. The corruption would be horrible. |
Kipling |
May-28-06 12:23 PM |
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I must admit that it couldnt be any worse than the folks who currently own |
w4rma |
May-28-06 02:25 PM |
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That's a Great Idea |
bigluckyfeet |
May-28-06 02:47 PM |
#38 |
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See |
sarahlee |
May-29-06 12:17 PM |
#137 |
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I don't see nationalization solving our problems, |
ContraBass Black |
May-28-06 12:24 PM |
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Great idea. Oil companies are the sponsors of fascism worldwide. |
Zorra |
May-28-06 12:56 PM |
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This is a brave man. |
LouisianaLiberal |
May-28-06 01:00 PM |
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Neither one of those outcomes would be new |
MuseRider |
May-28-06 01:06 PM |
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Two Diaries at Kos that you might find interesting |
sarahlee |
May-29-06 12:00 PM |
#134 |
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Another on the same subject |
sarahlee |
May-29-06 12:09 PM |
#136 |
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Thanks. You should link to this in a separate post. |
LouisianaLiberal |
May-29-06 12:23 PM |
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Short of a revolution there is NO way this will happen |
Caution |
May-28-06 01:02 PM |
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Only trouble is that the government is as corrupt as Big Oil. |
Vidar |
May-28-06 01:04 PM |
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Howzabout a national 'Permanent Fund' for all Americans ? |
EVDebs |
May-28-06 01:10 PM |
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I think that is an idea that has a better chance than nationalization. |
MH1 |
May-28-06 02:04 PM |
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does your state produce oil? |
northzax |
May-29-06 11:43 AM |
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CA, yes, produces oil. Yes, I'd probably get royalties but would |
EVDebs |
May-29-06 04:22 PM |
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you do get royalties, actually |
northzax |
May-29-06 05:20 PM |
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Uh, look at the tax write-offs the oil co's get for Ag company fronts |
EVDebs |
May-30-06 11:42 AM |
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sounds like a state government problem to me |
northzax |
May-30-06 11:53 AM |
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State and federal tax breaks. Just a part of the $10 Billion subsidy oil |
EVDebs |
May-30-06 01:41 PM |
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go get 'em DK! |
dweller |
May-28-06 01:21 PM |
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been there; done that ... |
welshTerrier2 |
May-28-06 01:23 PM |
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But..but..that would mean..EEEK!..SOCIALISM! |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-28-06 01:29 PM |
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Wow-a lone voice in the wilderness wanting to do the right thing |
TheGoldenRule |
May-28-06 01:34 PM |
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Give em hell Dennis. We need MORE leaders like you. |
Lefty48197 |
May-28-06 01:38 PM |
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Can anyone here who opposes this idea to explain to me why it's bad? |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 01:39 PM |
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I wonder. Which oil companies does Kucinich plan to nationalize? |
eallen |
May-28-06 02:30 PM |
#33 |
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Thanks. I was looking for a cogent opposition view, and you delivered. |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 02:40 PM |
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How are the consumers losing, with things the way they are? |
eallen |
May-28-06 03:02 PM |
#43 |
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Door #2 |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 03:17 PM |
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In that case, here is a better idea, that also helps the poor here & now.. |
eallen |
May-28-06 03:32 PM |
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How about changing your #2 to read |
hippywife |
May-28-06 09:52 PM |
#93 |
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Well, let's take a closer look. |
TahitiNut |
May-28-06 03:16 PM |
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Oh, my, you're right -- values would plummet. |
eallen |
May-28-06 04:02 PM |
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Here's an example of abuses in the system. |
TahitiNut |
May-28-06 04:58 PM |
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Values already are dropping, |
rman |
May-29-06 06:59 AM |
#113 |
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Don't mistake fluctuations and trends. |
eallen |
May-29-06 10:01 AM |
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It remains to be seen if this is a fluctuation or a downward trend |
rman |
May-29-06 10:36 AM |
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Could not agree more |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 07:00 PM |
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Otoh, it can be argued that natural oil reserves on US soil are not |
rman |
May-29-06 06:52 AM |
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Smartest thing I've read on this thread yet. n/t |
phylny |
May-29-06 08:54 AM |
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One thing |
WilliamPitt |
May-28-06 03:35 PM |
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Yeah, that's true |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 06:55 PM |
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See my post (#100) |
Hippo_Tron |
May-29-06 03:31 AM |
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Thank the gods |
realpolitik |
May-28-06 01:56 PM |
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I agree with you on the Oil, Coal, Nat Gas and all energy producing |
partylessinOhio |
May-28-06 02:45 PM |
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Good luck with that. |
SeveneightyWhoa |
May-28-06 02:01 PM |
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I support this idea and Kucinich |
BayCityProgressive |
May-28-06 02:18 PM |
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That doesn't mean we shouldn't float the idea. |
Steve_DeShazer |
May-28-06 02:32 PM |
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Telling it like it is |
rman |
May-28-06 02:19 PM |
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I told my husband we should do this! |
Daphne08 |
May-28-06 02:24 PM |
#31 |
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No Need To Nationalize The Oil Companies -- Nationalize The Oil |
Tace |
May-28-06 02:41 PM |
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Regulation!!!! |
Pharaoh |
May-28-06 03:10 PM |
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That's the way it is |
sandnsea |
May-28-06 03:40 PM |
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That's supposedly already done |
Terran1212 |
May-28-06 05:45 PM |
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Any Congressman but Dennis Kucinich. |
LWolf |
May-28-06 03:31 PM |
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People who don't own oil company stocks will like this idea |
NNN0LHI |
May-28-06 03:35 PM |
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Once its clear the world has passed Peak Oil, DK will seem like a prophet. |
robertpaulsen |
May-28-06 04:08 PM |
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At least talk about it. |
IndigoE |
May-28-06 04:37 PM |
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Hi IndigoE!! |
newyawker99 |
May-28-06 06:01 PM |
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I would agree but....... |
cushla_machree |
May-28-06 06:05 PM |
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Oh, that will happen................NOT |
progressoid |
May-28-06 06:08 PM |
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I agree with your analysis of the situation |
JVS |
May-28-06 06:09 PM |
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Right idea, wrong president |
StopThePendulum |
May-28-06 07:05 PM |
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There would literally be assassinations of US politicians if this became |
Marr |
May-28-06 07:17 PM |
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Bad idea. Kucinich should know better. |
Walt Disney |
May-28-06 07:47 PM |
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One important thing this would do. |
happydreams |
May-28-06 08:32 PM |
#77 |
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why? |
northzax |
May-29-06 11:49 AM |
#132 |
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Uncle Sam is us |
happydreams |
May-29-06 04:22 PM |
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Utterly stupid idea... |
Imajika |
May-28-06 08:51 PM |
#79 |
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In nations where oil is nationalized, gas is a lot cheaper then in the US. |
rman |
May-29-06 04:56 AM |
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Venezuela... |
Imajika |
May-29-06 09:48 AM |
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being an exporter does not explain the ~25 fold price difference |
rman |
May-29-06 11:18 AM |
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Ya, it does... |
Imajika |
May-29-06 12:19 PM |
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Ven. and SA are not oil independent; |
rman |
May-29-06 12:39 PM |
#141 |
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Umm, ya |
Imajika |
May-29-06 12:56 PM |
#144 |
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I would hope |
libhill |
May-28-06 08:56 PM |
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Name removed |
May-28-06 09:24 PM |
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This Should Be on the Home Page |
stepnw1f |
May-28-06 09:27 PM |
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Nominate it |
Terran1212 |
May-29-06 12:06 AM |
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I have exactly ZERO idea whether or not this is a good idea.... |
BlooInBloo |
May-29-06 02:46 AM |
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Nationalize the Alternative Fuel Market first. |
dweller |
May-29-06 02:43 AM |
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unbelievable |
leftofthedial |
May-29-06 03:10 AM |
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I disagree with Kucinich and here is why |
Hippo_Tron |
May-29-06 03:30 AM |
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We're already at the bottom of that other slippery slope; |
rman |
May-29-06 04:54 AM |
#105 |
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A fair point... |
Hippo_Tron |
May-29-06 05:02 AM |
#108 |
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Right, corporations have other ways to make us bow to fascist government |
rman |
May-29-06 05:10 AM |
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When you talk about prices, you must specify long or short term effects |
eridani |
May-29-06 03:57 AM |
#102 |
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This is the only thing that could save America |
Phrogman |
May-29-06 05:42 AM |
#110 |
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Kucinich is courageous in bringing... |
Mr_Jefferson_24 |
May-29-06 05:53 AM |
#111 |
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YES!! If only to make RW heads explode!! |
Trish1168 |
May-29-06 10:45 AM |
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Oil and gasoline are a utility - just like electricity and natural gas |
SnoopDog |
May-29-06 11:09 AM |
#122 |
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so why do you live your life based on access to oil? |
northzax |
May-29-06 11:56 AM |
#133 |
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With that logic... |
SnoopDog |
May-29-06 12:07 PM |
#135 |
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I too, was born into that country |
northzax |
May-29-06 12:20 PM |
#139 |
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I think we are discussing different points.... |
SnoopDog |
May-29-06 12:41 PM |
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and what you aren't explaining |
northzax |
May-29-06 12:53 PM |
#143 |
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Thats just it - a majority of people do support other energy sources. |
SnoopDog |
May-29-06 01:08 PM |
#145 |
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no, a majority of people don't, actually |
northzax |
May-29-06 01:16 PM |
#146 |
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Well, sir, I think we are completely off track from my original post... |
SnoopDog |
May-29-06 01:51 PM |
#147 |
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See my post here about why the "radical" ideas are needed |
sarahlee |
May-29-06 11:25 AM |
#126 |
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