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It's private property. I would get annoyed with someone putting a couple of crosses on my lawn, too. If some stranger died on my property, I can guarantee you that the LAST thing I would want to deal with is people trespassing on my land to deal with their grief. Yeah, I'd feel bad, but you know, a couple of million strangers die every day. I can't feel bad for all of them. I'd go crazy. And some stranger dying on my land would be something I would want to move on from and put behind me. The landowner didn't cause her death and shouldn't be forced to live with a constant reminder of weepy boyfriend trespassing on his land. EVERY . DAMN. DAY. I live off a busy street. A couple of speeding cars have ploughed through the privacy fence that borders my neighborhood. I wouldn't allow a shrine on my land for such an accident. Sorry if that's cold, but it's not my fault that someone drove recklessly.
Besides, if the dead woman was Christian (and with crosses, it would be silly to assume Hindu or Jaina, wouldn't it?) it's not like her soul is hanging around. There's no Christian doctrine for that. She's in Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory, but not hanging out with the other cornflake girls on Route 62. If the boyfriend wants to grieve, he'd be better off doing it someplace where he's not breaking the law.
For that matter, I don't like the shrines on public thoroughfares, either, because they pose a hazard to bicyclists and pedestrians who use the shoulder as a transportation route, and to motorcyclists who can be seriously injured if they end up hitting one (after being hit by a car or sliding on water, ice or oil, for example.) If I have to detour into the traffic lane to avoid someone's roadside shrine, I'm a) breaking the law by entering the traffic lane, and b) putting myself at HIGH risk of becoming hamburger. Not everyone is in a car, after all. And protecting the lives of the living is far more important than enshrining the dead. That's why we have cemeteries.
Personally, I think the boyfriend is being just as much of an asshole. If you read the article, he has not even ASKED the property owner for the stuff. He just went to TV with it to demonize the allegedly mean, evil atheist. (The TV station is quoting a paper that the property owner said it was atheism that motivated the removals, but since the property owner is not speaking to the media, who knows what's really going on.) And if boyfriend hasn't even had the intestinal fortitude to ask the property owner what's up, how did he know he had two months to keep crosses there? Trespassing. Period. Dude, grow a spine and deal. And you know, if this had been a black, single woman from Southie, this never would have made the papers. It's the white woman from Leominster that gets this kind of press.
If that stuff was so 'effin important to the guy that knocked up the white, blonde, preggers, unemployed chick (they weren't married and she didn't work, after all) he should have taken it home. Duh.
And no, I don't care about the fetus. If it isn't born, I refuse to give it rights as a person. I just draw that line, sorry. Yeah, mean old reproductive rights protecting Pcat. That's me.
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| -Atheist Removes Memorial Crosses For Woman, Baby |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:11 PM |
#0 |
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Sorry, but that's just messed up... |
Mythsaje |
May-23-06 02:14 PM |
#1 |
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Atheists can be religious fanatics |
jobycom |
May-23-06 02:30 PM |
#31 |
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Read the other article in the OP; it will give you a different view of the |
lindisfarne |
May-23-06 03:08 PM |
#59 |
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I had already read it. Gives me the same opinion. |
jobycom |
May-23-06 08:18 PM |
#138 |
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I'm a proud atheist who's never been offended by a cross |
formernaderite |
May-25-06 07:44 AM |
#327 |
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So true |
BoneDaddy |
May-25-06 09:27 PM |
#350 |
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It is his property |
proud2Blib |
May-24-06 09:33 AM |
#223 |
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What part of private property is so hard to deal with here? |
politicat |
May-24-06 09:29 PM |
#280 |
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Wow that is some higher thinking |
BoneDaddy |
May-24-06 11:14 PM |
#300 |
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No more morally bankrupt than society forcing religious displays |
politicat |
May-25-06 01:00 AM |
#307 |
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Damn, and I was gonna ask if I could "erect" a symbol of my love |
U4ikLefty |
May-25-06 03:39 AM |
#313 |
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Is it tasteful? |
politicat |
May-25-06 05:34 PM |
#346 |
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Okay let's try to think rationally AND compassionately |
BoneDaddy |
May-25-06 07:30 PM |
#349 |
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Why thank you for the lecture on living with others. |
politicat |
May-25-06 11:06 PM |
#352 |
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So now your are a grief counselor too |
BoneDaddy |
May-26-06 07:02 AM |
#353 |
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I've seen this sort of thing annoy other atheists |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 02:14 PM |
#2 |
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exagerate much? n/t |
Scout |
May-23-06 10:17 PM |
#154 |
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Only if the cemeteries are on their property |
proud2Blib |
May-24-06 09:35 AM |
#224 |
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Cemeteries are the place for this. Private property isn't. |
politicat |
May-24-06 09:34 PM |
#282 |
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His property; his rules |
TechBear_Seattle |
May-23-06 02:14 PM |
#3 |
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Oops, didn't see that he's the property owner. Of course it was his right |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 02:16 PM |
#7 |
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I don't dispute that he could have handled the matter better |
TechBear_Seattle |
May-23-06 02:19 PM |
#12 |
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I still wonder if we erased the religious symbolism |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 02:23 PM |
#20 |
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The logical fallacy of the red herring |
TechBear_Seattle |
May-23-06 02:27 PM |
#27 |
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But not the angels?? |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 05:37 PM |
#108 |
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Those have been appropriated by the New Age movement |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 06:43 PM |
#123 |
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Says who? |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 07:42 PM |
#132 |
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Eh. I was being facetious. |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 07:48 PM |
#135 |
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ah ok, sorry , my bad :) (nt) |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 07:55 PM |
#136 |
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Note how he "accidentally" destroyed the father's baby booties |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-23-06 11:40 PM |
#164 |
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He has the right to deem what is crap or not on his own land. |
Cobalt Violet |
May-24-06 10:53 PM |
#297 |
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Absolutely |
BoneDaddy |
May-26-06 09:32 AM |
#354 |
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He left several items, including religious, and only removed the cross |
jobycom |
May-23-06 02:36 PM |
#36 |
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Would he, or we? whaddayamean we |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-23-06 11:35 PM |
#162 |
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Why would I do that |
LittleClarkie |
May-24-06 12:34 AM |
#178 |
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That's OK, unlike Brodmerkle, I can be an equal-opportunity jerk. :-) n/t |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 01:14 AM |
#187 |
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Who cares... |
Bzzzz |
May-24-06 11:56 AM |
#243 |
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He allowed it in the first place and then became an asshole. |
seriousstan |
May-23-06 02:23 PM |
#21 |
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Now see. I should read the whole thing before reacting |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 02:32 PM |
#33 |
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Read again... |
politicat |
May-24-06 09:39 PM |
#285 |
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Read the article... |
Ms. Toad |
May-23-06 06:29 PM |
#122 |
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I think they used it because that was his reasoning |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:17 PM |
#8 |
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I agree. That was my first thought. |
BrklynLiberal |
May-23-06 02:21 PM |
#14 |
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If he said he was a Baptist and opposes "popish nonsense" like shrines |
TechBear_Seattle |
May-23-06 02:21 PM |
#15 |
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Bashing everyone in this country it seems, even on DU, is fine |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:46 PM |
#43 |
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I should pope so. Ideally people WOULD be offended. Or anti-"pagan" nt |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 01:53 AM |
#195 |
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legally I agree, if its his property, he should not have to have that up, |
Lerkfish |
May-23-06 02:18 PM |
#11 |
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I agree with you there |
TechBear_Seattle |
May-23-06 02:22 PM |
#17 |
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When did it become "progressive" to defend absolute property rights |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-23-06 11:43 PM |
#165 |
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I don't think a Wiccan would do what the fiance did... |
Scout |
May-24-06 10:35 PM |
#291 |
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Exactly, and a memorial doesn't have to include a symbol |
Warpy |
May-23-06 02:24 PM |
#23 |
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What about those of us who find symbols of witchcraft offensive? |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-23-06 11:47 PM |
#167 |
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Exactly why I suggested nonsectarian symbols |
Warpy |
May-24-06 07:41 AM |
#208 |
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It's not always about rights. |
11cents |
May-23-06 02:39 PM |
#40 |
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Thank you. No building memorials on private prop w/o permission. duh |
elehhhhna |
May-23-06 02:52 PM |
#48 |
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Edit: read the 2nd article in the OP. It will make the situation more |
lindisfarne |
May-23-06 02:59 PM |
#51 |
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Nope, read again, grieving father says 2 MONTHS |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:04 AM |
#170 |
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I agree the guy is an ass |
proud2Blib |
May-24-06 09:39 AM |
#225 |
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If it were my dead kid's baby booties, I wouldn't have put them on |
politicat |
May-24-06 10:17 PM |
#288 |
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Just because he has a legal right to do it |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 06:03 AM |
#205 |
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That's my opinion. It's his property. |
Clark2008 |
May-24-06 06:16 AM |
#207 |
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Just another battle in the 'War on Cristians' |
democrat_patriot |
May-23-06 02:15 PM |
#4 |
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"Its the guys property he can do what he wants" |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:14 AM |
#175 |
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First, it's against the law... |
Bzzzz |
May-24-06 12:04 PM |
#245 |
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That headline will go a long way toward setting the tone for debate |
Bill McBlueState |
May-23-06 02:15 PM |
#5 |
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Property Owner Removes Memorial Crosses After Telling Bereaved YES |
cryingshame |
May-23-06 03:04 PM |
#55 |
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they should hire you |
Bill McBlueState |
May-23-06 03:25 PM |
#70 |
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Property owner said they could remain for 2 weeks. |
PassingFair |
May-23-06 03:56 PM |
#93 |
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If he was innocently burying the items out of respect, |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:26 AM |
#177 |
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"DUers, being fair and objective, won't fall for this"... |
Wrinkle_In_Time |
May-23-06 09:47 PM |
#152 |
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Yup, critical thinking skills seem to be in short supply here... |
SidDithers |
May-24-06 08:18 AM |
#213 |
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pretty much... |
Bill McBlueState |
May-24-06 08:23 AM |
#214 |
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Methinks there may be more to this story than being reported |
MindPilot |
May-23-06 02:15 PM |
#6 |
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See the second link I posted, a lot more info there (nt) |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:17 PM |
#10 |
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For instance, she was pregnant. "Cross for woman, baby" is misleading |
Bluebear |
May-23-06 02:26 PM |
#25 |
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Um, not really - in some states the Driver could be charged with 2 counts |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:49 PM |
#44 |
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Journalistically, I would think "pregnant woman killed" is more accurate |
Bluebear |
May-23-06 02:51 PM |
#45 |
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She was 8 months pregnant & they tried to save the baby. |
Bridget Burke |
May-23-06 03:18 PM |
#65 |
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Thank you, the stories above did not point out 'how pregnant' she was. nt |
Bluebear |
May-23-06 03:35 PM |
#78 |
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That's pretty much the whole country |
RGBolen |
May-24-06 12:13 AM |
#174 |
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That just makes Brodmerkle a hypocrite. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:35 AM |
#179 |
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You're way over the top here. |
girl gone mad |
May-24-06 01:11 AM |
#186 |
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It's a slippery slope either way when you get into "property rights"... |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 01:23 AM |
#189 |
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Rt. 62 is not a highway at all. It's a backroad. |
Cobalt Violet |
May-24-06 11:09 PM |
#299 |
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Not nice to bury them, but it's his property. |
ContraBass Black |
May-23-06 02:17 PM |
#9 |
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The guy does sound like a prick but... |
NJ_Lib |
May-23-06 02:20 PM |
#13 |
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Common law says Brodmerkle could've shot 'im fer trespassing n/t |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:38 AM |
#180 |
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The guy seems to be an asshole |
johnnie |
May-23-06 02:21 PM |
#16 |
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LOL! |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:41 AM |
#181 |
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Something I have never understood about this... |
Momgonepostal |
May-23-06 02:22 PM |
#18 |
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In the article it states that they had a mutual agreement of a 2 week |
seriousstan |
May-23-06 02:25 PM |
#24 |
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personally i am having issue with driving cross country with crosses |
seabeyond |
May-23-06 02:41 PM |
#41 |
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Our streets are drenched with the blood of people who have died |
CAcyclist |
May-23-06 03:12 PM |
#64 |
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Nobody ever got hurt getting from point a to point b until... |
MindPilot |
May-23-06 03:24 PM |
#69 |
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sure. and lets just retard our children with this kind of thinking |
seabeyond |
May-23-06 03:48 PM |
#86 |
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Hear, hear. Would people say they are "sick and tired" of PBS Honor Roll? |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:43 AM |
#182 |
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Yeah, I have the same reaction. I don't like being reminded of tragedies |
Ladyhawk |
May-23-06 08:46 PM |
#142 |
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I agree, I see them everywhere |
Caoimhe |
May-23-06 02:43 PM |
#42 |
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One of my neighbors had a serious problem with this. |
Xithras |
May-23-06 03:33 PM |
#77 |
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what a story.... n/t |
seabeyond |
May-23-06 03:55 PM |
#92 |
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"CRAZED CHRISTIAN DESTROYS ATHEIST FARMER'S LAND ! ! !" |
beam me up scottie |
May-23-06 11:56 PM |
#168 |
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Yeah, that cross builder sounds like just as much of a jerk as Brodmerkle. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 12:56 AM |
#184 |
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Oh my |
shrike |
May-24-06 09:56 AM |
#231 |
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If crosses mean nothing |
sandnsea |
May-23-06 04:02 PM |
#97 |
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The property owner, presumably, doesn't wish to appear... |
Orsino |
May-24-06 07:53 AM |
#209 |
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It is getting rediculous. |
alphafemale |
May-24-06 01:22 AM |
#188 |
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This is based on fundamental disrespect for culture. |
lvx35 |
May-23-06 02:22 PM |
#19 |
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Strangely enough, Hindus, Muslims, and Atheists Have NO Need |
Demeter |
May-23-06 04:33 PM |
#105 |
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Oh the GALL of those Christians! How DARE they leave flowers and crosses |
lvx35 |
May-23-06 06:24 PM |
#119 |
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It's the Sense of Entitlement |
Demeter |
May-23-06 08:16 PM |
#137 |
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no, i can't imagine... |
QuestionAll |
May-23-06 09:17 PM |
#148 |
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As long as they don't leave an actual gall bladder at the memorial, I'm OK |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 02:05 AM |
#197 |
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And the Gall of that atheist for not wanting that crap on HIS land! |
Cobalt Violet |
May-24-06 11:18 PM |
#301 |
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"I don't care whose beliefs it is." |
Scout |
May-23-06 10:27 PM |
#155 |
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Ha! |
trotsky |
May-24-06 08:52 AM |
#216 |
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Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans etc. DO put up memorials, indeed. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 02:00 AM |
#196 |
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Legally and Morally fine |
Ravenseye |
May-23-06 02:24 PM |
#22 |
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He allowed it to be put there: |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:27 PM |
#26 |
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He allowed angels, a wreath, stuffed animals & flowers to be displayed |
Bluebear |
May-23-06 02:28 PM |
#28 |
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Odd though why he did allow them at first |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:33 PM |
#34 |
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I dunno. |
Bluebear |
May-23-06 02:38 PM |
#39 |
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Moral of the story: |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:51 PM |
#47 |
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That is the beauty of America... You're allowed to be a... |
NJ_Lib |
May-23-06 02:29 PM |
#29 |
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Yup you sure are |
Ravenseye |
May-23-06 02:32 PM |
#32 |
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We have a strong tradition of that in Massachusetts. |
Cobalt Violet |
May-24-06 11:26 PM |
#305 |
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I've Seen So Much Abuse of "Sensitivity" Lately |
Demeter |
May-23-06 02:29 PM |
#30 |
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"People who want to be victims"??? |
fishnfla |
May-23-06 04:06 PM |
#99 |
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The "Victim" Is The One Who Insists On Appropriating Another's Property |
Demeter |
May-23-06 04:24 PM |
#104 |
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Yes, I see, property rights trump everything |
fishnfla |
May-24-06 11:28 AM |
#240 |
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Mass law says first 6 feet next to road is not your property - so there's |
papau |
May-23-06 02:35 PM |
#35 |
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Are you talking ownership, or ROW? |
Xithras |
May-23-06 03:06 PM |
#57 |
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I am an actuary - one of my daughters is the lawyer in the family - but |
papau |
May-23-06 03:24 PM |
#68 |
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I am an atheist, but I do not see any problem |
RebelOne |
May-23-06 02:36 PM |
#37 |
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On his property. That's the issue. |
BurtWorm |
May-23-06 02:58 PM |
#50 |
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How long would you want that cross on your lawn, Burt? |
PassingFair |
May-23-06 03:42 PM |
#83 |
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It was the front lawn? He let it stay up for two weeks? |
BurtWorm |
May-23-06 03:46 PM |
#85 |
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Interestingly.... |
PassingFair |
May-23-06 03:53 PM |
#91 |
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Where did the guy pull the two months figure from? |
BurtWorm |
May-23-06 03:58 PM |
#94 |
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Sounds like a simple misunderstanding.... |
PassingFair |
May-23-06 04:01 PM |
#96 |
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Why do we only memorialize car crash victims? |
PassingFair |
May-23-06 03:36 PM |
#79 |
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You make excellent points. |
BurtWorm |
May-23-06 03:48 PM |
#87 |
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What a stupid thing for this property-owning atheist to get his |
Vinca |
May-23-06 02:37 PM |
#38 |
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These road side memorials have gotten out of hand here in Hawaii |
Jara sang |
May-23-06 02:51 PM |
#46 |
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In our case - the memorial is at home |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 02:53 PM |
#49 |
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I do the same thing--I have a little shrine for my dad over the fireplace |
MindPilot |
May-23-06 03:10 PM |
#61 |
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There are more and more of them. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-23-06 03:04 PM |
#56 |
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Agreed, I'm waiting for the contest judging who has the best memorial. |
Jara sang |
May-23-06 03:09 PM |
#60 |
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Seen any with tip jars yet? |
Opposite Reaction |
May-23-06 03:22 PM |
#67 |
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On the flip side of that |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 03:49 PM |
#88 |
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The headline's a bit provocative, ain't it. |
BurtWorm |
May-23-06 03:03 PM |
#52 |
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He was an ass. |
missb |
May-23-06 03:03 PM |
#53 |
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Premarital sex and a "bastard" child but its the ATHEIST with "no respect" |
IdaBriggs |
May-23-06 03:04 PM |
#54 |
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Lol |
charlie |
May-23-06 03:10 PM |
#62 |
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I am evil, aren't I? |
IdaBriggs |
May-23-06 04:21 PM |
#103 |
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isn't he the one who described himself as an atheist? |
onenote |
May-23-06 03:27 PM |
#71 |
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best post in this thread! |
Scout |
May-23-06 10:13 PM |
#153 |
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I'm an atheist and the crosses don't annoy me in this context |
CAcyclist |
May-23-06 03:07 PM |
#58 |
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More litter on the highways. Yeah, good idea. |
Jara sang |
May-23-06 03:10 PM |
#63 |
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You meanie. You obviously don't understand the importance... |
Opposite Reaction |
May-23-06 03:27 PM |
#72 |
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Why specific to car crashes? |
MindPilot |
May-23-06 03:21 PM |
#66 |
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Can these be back-dated? |
Opposite Reaction |
May-23-06 03:29 PM |
#75 |
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actually, to have the roadside littered with distractions |
Bill McBlueState |
May-23-06 03:32 PM |
#76 |
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I'm an atheist and they bother me a lot. |
Cobalt Violet |
May-25-06 06:25 AM |
#320 |
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Some Athiest are very passionate about their religion |
Freedom_Aflaim |
May-23-06 03:28 PM |
#73 |
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People aren't reading the 2nd article in OP - it gives a very different |
lindisfarne |
May-23-06 03:29 PM |
#74 |
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But, but, the first article is so much more sensational! |
Bluebear |
May-23-06 03:36 PM |
#80 |
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What's next? A right to BURN a cross on someone's lawn? |
IanDB1 |
May-23-06 03:41 PM |
#81 |
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I didn't realize you could just annex other peoples' property if |
Marr |
May-23-06 03:42 PM |
#82 |
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Did not annex it, asked permission and got it |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 03:58 PM |
#95 |
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I did- but apparently he also promised to remove the memorial after |
Marr |
May-23-06 04:07 PM |
#100 |
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I drove by a memorial on Rt 16 in Everett (also in MA) where |
AllieB |
May-23-06 03:43 PM |
#84 |
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He is fully within the law and has every right |
MathGuy |
May-23-06 03:51 PM |
#89 |
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Just my $0.02 |
tammywammy |
May-23-06 03:52 PM |
#90 |
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As far as I'm concerned, he was perfectly within his rights. |
Spider Jerusalem |
May-23-06 04:03 PM |
#98 |
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And then he runs to the media to make a Jerry Springer circus out of it. |
BurtWorm |
May-23-06 04:07 PM |
#101 |
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Agreed. I'm getting pretty tired of seeing this guy called a prick |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 05:02 PM |
#106 |
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Perhaps he deserved it some |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 05:36 PM |
#107 |
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I wonder if it was made clear that crosses would be a part of the memorial |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 05:55 PM |
#114 |
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What a douchebag. |
BamaLefty |
May-23-06 04:20 PM |
#102 |
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Would you really want a memorial on your front lawn? n/t |
progressivebydesign |
May-23-06 05:45 PM |
#111 |
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The "douchebag" didn't want a shrine on his property-how is he a radical? |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 12:06 AM |
#171 |
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He's An Idiot |
Crisco |
May-24-06 09:21 AM |
#220 |
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Good for him!! |
QuestionAll |
May-23-06 05:40 PM |
#109 |
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see post 112 |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 05:50 PM |
#113 |
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since you know so much- what were the exact terms of the agreement? |
QuestionAll |
May-23-06 05:56 PM |
#115 |
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Putting a memorial on someone's property is wrong... |
progressivebydesign |
May-23-06 05:44 PM |
#110 |
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Cause he agreed to it? |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 05:50 PM |
#112 |
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He agreed to it and lived up to the deal. |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 05:57 PM |
#116 |
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Yes, because the agreement was that it would remain for that long. |
NYC Liberal |
May-23-06 06:12 PM |
#117 |
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He agreed to 2 weeks. We are now a month past the accident |
Beaverhausen |
May-23-06 06:26 PM |
#121 |
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Why do you keep wanting to blame this guy for doing something wrong? |
trotsky |
May-24-06 08:58 AM |
#217 |
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What A Prick! |
Southpawkicker |
May-23-06 06:24 PM |
#118 |
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Yeah, it's a good thing your religious faith doesn't prevent you |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 06:52 PM |
#125 |
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You're Right, My Faith Doesn't Preclude Me From Saying What |
Southpawkicker |
May-23-06 07:30 PM |
#129 |
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Not into the whole 'turning the other cheek' thing then? |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 07:36 PM |
#131 |
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Turning The Other Cheek |
Southpawkicker |
May-23-06 08:29 PM |
#139 |
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Do you think Christ was turning the other cheek when he threw the tables |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 08:45 PM |
#141 |
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Why Did He Leave Some Things, And Bury The Cross? |
Southpawkicker |
May-23-06 09:03 PM |
#143 |
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Perhaps the idea of a memorial didn't bother him |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 09:18 PM |
#149 |
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He left the personal effects. |
greyl |
May-24-06 03:06 AM |
#203 |
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That Is An Asinine Interpretation Of My Post |
Southpawkicker |
May-24-06 06:00 PM |
#275 |
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It was designed to make you think. |
greyl |
May-24-06 06:06 PM |
#276 |
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I'm Not Shocked That You Think You Made A Point |
Southpawkicker |
May-24-06 08:19 PM |
#277 |
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I think most would realize that you're misreading it and |
greyl |
May-24-06 11:20 PM |
#302 |
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what are they? words? |
Scout |
May-23-06 10:39 PM |
#157 |
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Hey, Glad You Could Make It! |
Southpawkicker |
May-24-06 08:21 PM |
#278 |
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Why would you want to visit the place where your wife died? |
Beaverhausen |
May-23-06 06:25 PM |
#120 |
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Not his wife. 8 months pregnant and he wouldn't marry her. |
Divernan |
May-23-06 07:45 PM |
#133 |
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excellent, thank you very much |
Scout |
May-23-06 10:44 PM |
#158 |
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Uh, I know a couple who married when their triplets were 2 years old |
shrike |
May-24-06 09:50 AM |
#229 |
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just hypocrites n/t |
Scout |
May-24-06 12:13 PM |
#250 |
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Wish I could say something that wouldn't get this post deleted. |
shrike |
May-24-06 02:18 PM |
#263 |
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Yes, I Hear You |
Southpawkicker |
May-24-06 09:26 PM |
#279 |
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what makes either of you ASSUME I am not religious? |
Scout |
May-24-06 10:36 PM |
#292 |
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wtf |
Scout |
May-24-06 10:37 PM |
#293 |
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Don't misquote me or twist what I wrote. |
Divernan |
May-24-06 12:40 PM |
#257 |
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Don't see where I twisted your words |
shrike |
May-24-06 02:16 PM |
#261 |
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Could be. |
trotsky |
May-24-06 03:06 PM |
#269 |
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Well, he's the grieving party |
shrike |
May-25-06 04:20 PM |
#341 |
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He's a nasty old crank. |
SmokingJacket |
May-23-06 06:45 PM |
#124 |
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If he was a nasty old crank he would have told them to go fuck themselves |
Mojambo |
May-23-06 06:57 PM |
#127 |
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I don't think it has anything to do with him being an atheist |
Skittles |
May-23-06 06:56 PM |
#126 |
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isn't this OP and thread life the most freeped out thing you've ever seen? |
Jeffersons Ghost |
May-23-06 07:04 PM |
#128 |
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Ironically enough |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 07:32 PM |
#130 |
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Um, we keep such things kicked all the time around here |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 07:46 PM |
#134 |
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Freeped? |
Southpawkicker |
May-23-06 08:31 PM |
#140 |
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Man that's just cold |
JNelson6563 |
May-23-06 09:11 PM |
#144 |
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Christian attempts to erect religious altar on private property. |
Beelzebud |
May-23-06 09:12 PM |
#145 |
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Logical fallacy-- red herring |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-06 09:15 PM |
#146 |
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Fair enough. Exchange words. It's the same thing. |
Beelzebud |
May-23-06 09:17 PM |
#147 |
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Skewed? Is it not an honest headline? |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 10:51 PM |
#159 |
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No, it's NOT an honest headline... |
Spider Jerusalem |
May-24-06 03:56 PM |
#273 |
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Yep. |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 12:01 AM |
#169 |
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How do we know this guy is really an Atheist? |
genie_weenie |
May-23-06 09:18 PM |
#150 |
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Those Atheists are SUCH assholes .... |
Trajan |
May-23-06 09:29 PM |
#151 |
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He brought up his idealism - not me or the reporter |
The Straight Story |
May-23-06 10:54 PM |
#160 |
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You posted it and got everyone yipping about it like it was a hate crime. |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 12:25 AM |
#176 |
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He brought up his milk drinking - not me or the reporter ... |
Trajan |
May-24-06 02:38 AM |
#200 |
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Please see my post #150. |
genie_weenie |
May-24-06 09:46 AM |
#228 |
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This story is like a week old - but I live up here |
Mr_Spock |
May-23-06 10:34 PM |
#156 |
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I guess that particular Christian doesn't know the meaning of "2 weeks"... |
SidDithers |
May-23-06 11:11 PM |
#161 |
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MSM's witch hunt against Atheists continues... |
Odin2005 |
May-23-06 11:38 PM |
#163 |
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Yep, and DU is sucking it up. |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 12:07 AM |
#172 |
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I think it's rude |
KingFlorez |
May-23-06 11:44 PM |
#166 |
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Is EVERY asshole who's a CHRISTIAN going to generate this much attention? |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 12:10 AM |
#173 |
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I hope so, because this is typical American behavior. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 01:32 AM |
#191 |
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What a ridiculous comparison. |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 01:37 AM |
#192 |
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What are you talking about? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
May-24-06 02:08 AM |
#198 |
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Just One Caveat Scottie |
Southpawkicker |
May-24-06 09:33 PM |
#281 |
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I guess I'm more of an asshole than this guy. |
bling bling |
May-24-06 12:47 AM |
#183 |
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Agreed, would not let anyone put anything on my property... nt. |
Strong Atheist |
May-24-06 08:51 AM |
#215 |
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Before you say "property rights!", Under Common Law, You Can Be Shot. |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 01:10 AM |
#185 |
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"secularists" ? |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 01:27 AM |
#190 |
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Don't feel bad, some people say "values-based" like it's a bad thing |
Leopolds Ghost |
May-24-06 01:45 AM |
#193 |
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I don't think you're in a smaller minority. |
beam me up scottie |
May-24-06 01:53 AM |
#194 |
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You and me both, BMUS n/t |
varkam |
May-24-06 02:43 AM |
#202 |
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Wow, your definition of right-of-way fascinates me...tell me more. |
U4ikLefty |
May-25-06 04:11 AM |
#314 |
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Ok now |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
May-24-06 02:23 AM |
#199 |
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The Only Difference I Have With Your Idea Buffy |
Southpawkicker |
May-24-06 09:39 PM |
#284 |
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He probably was/is quite grief stricken |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
May-24-06 10:39 PM |
#294 |
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My .02. |
varkam |
May-24-06 02:42 AM |
#201 |
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That's my take, too |
shrike |
May-24-06 10:05 AM |
#233 |
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One month is long enough |
InaneAnanity |
May-24-06 04:27 AM |
#204 |
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This thread makes me ashamed to be a DUer and and atheist |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 06:14 AM |
#206 |
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spoken like a true atheist Donald, thanks |
Jeffersons Ghost |
May-24-06 07:58 AM |
#210 |
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Oh please. It's his property. He allowed the crosses in for a time, |
lizzy |
May-24-06 08:01 AM |
#211 |
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before any debate, check the sources in the OP. this is all fiction |
Jeffersons Ghost |
May-24-06 08:04 AM |
#212 |
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Ha? |
fun n serious |
May-24-06 09:11 AM |
#218 |
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I'm sure that the atheist-bashers... |
trotsky |
May-24-06 09:13 AM |
#219 |
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No , and the fact that no-one is admitting they think it is sickening. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 12:02 PM |
#244 |
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Well, let's debate the grieving process then. |
trotsky |
May-24-06 12:18 PM |
#252 |
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Respect is indeed a one-way street. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 12:32 PM |
#255 |
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I'm having a tough time reversing this situation |
trotsky |
May-24-06 12:37 PM |
#256 |
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It's a declining scale. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 12:59 PM |
#259 |
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Well now I'm even more confused. |
trotsky |
May-24-06 01:05 PM |
#260 |
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It seems that atheists, being more enlightened about all things |
BurtWorm |
May-24-06 03:53 PM |
#272 |
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I don't care if he was a property owning purple rabbit |
LittleClarkie |
May-24-06 09:51 PM |
#287 |
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Because he allowed a memorial on his property? |
trotsky |
May-25-06 07:34 AM |
#326 |
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Utter nonsense... |
Spider Jerusalem |
May-24-06 04:04 PM |
#274 |
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Poor choice of words, I admit. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 05:32 AM |
#317 |
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No, they don't. |
Spider Jerusalem |
May-25-06 06:05 AM |
#318 |
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Well, |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 06:16 AM |
#319 |
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I'm capable of keeping my grief to myself. |
Spider Jerusalem |
May-25-06 06:27 AM |
#321 |
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No. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 12:26 PM |
#335 |
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Do we have to have universal standards for what is "sickening?" |
BurtWorm |
May-24-06 03:12 PM |
#270 |
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Just think about having someone else turn your property into a religious |
BurtWorm |
May-24-06 10:33 AM |
#238 |
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Atheists, and everyone else, |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 11:48 AM |
#241 |
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In the Jewish religion, a mother, a husband, a child...no matter who |
BurtWorm |
May-24-06 12:08 PM |
#247 |
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I strongly disagree. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 12:15 PM |
#251 |
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Of course some people mourn privately for much longer. |
BurtWorm |
May-24-06 12:53 PM |
#258 |
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the fiance lost neither a wife nor a child.... |
Scout |
May-24-06 10:31 PM |
#290 |
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This is what I mean about this thread making me ashamed to be a DUer |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 05:15 AM |
#315 |
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if you don't like the company here... |
Scout |
May-25-06 02:29 PM |
#337 |
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so which is it, who chooses? |
Scout |
May-24-06 10:26 PM |
#289 |
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What the hell is this? I see someone who has interpreted the words of |
Random_Australian |
May-27-06 07:36 AM |
#358 |
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He buried the damn cross? |
shrike |
May-24-06 09:28 AM |
#221 |
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Would it have been more respectful... |
trotsky |
May-24-06 09:32 AM |
#222 |
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How about give it back? |
shrike |
May-24-06 09:51 AM |
#230 |
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We don't know the details. |
trotsky |
May-24-06 10:04 AM |
#232 |
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It's not about being the atheist |
shrike |
May-24-06 10:06 AM |
#234 |
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He allowed the memorial for a full two weeks past the agreement. |
trotsky |
May-24-06 10:11 AM |
#236 |
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That impression is simply wrong. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 12:10 PM |
#248 |
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But this isn't about refusing to allow a memorial. |
trotsky |
May-24-06 12:28 PM |
#254 |
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"Agreed upon timeframe"? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 05:20 AM |
#316 |
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And what are your grounds for believing the fiance? |
trotsky |
May-25-06 07:15 AM |
#325 |
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As I've said, |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 10:39 AM |
#330 |
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Why? |
trotsky |
May-25-06 10:49 AM |
#331 |
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No, you don't understand. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 12:22 PM |
#334 |
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No, the issue is how MUCH respect and compassion is warranted. |
trotsky |
May-25-06 01:06 PM |
#336 |
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I have a lot of evidence, too. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 02:58 PM |
#338 |
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Oh, but wait, this isn't about him being an atheist! You told me so! |
trotsky |
May-25-06 03:31 PM |
#340 |
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No, I said that |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-25-06 04:33 PM |
#343 |
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A simple reading of several posts in this thread |
trotsky |
May-25-06 05:36 PM |
#347 |
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I think you're rather proving my point |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-27-06 07:18 AM |
#357 |
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"in spite of"? |
trotsky |
May-27-06 10:47 AM |
#359 |
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So you bury the cross, eh? Whatever n/t |
shrike |
May-24-06 02:17 PM |
#262 |
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As opposed to other options? |
trotsky |
May-24-06 02:24 PM |
#264 |
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Call him up and say, "Two weeks are up. Come get your memorial?" |
shrike |
May-24-06 02:29 PM |
#265 |
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Why is it now his burden? |
trotsky |
May-24-06 02:51 PM |
#267 |
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The victims were buried. |
greyl |
May-24-06 11:25 PM |
#304 |
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Trying to make criticism of this guy into an attack on atheism |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-24-06 12:12 PM |
#249 |
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Perhaps a dose of the facts would be helpful. |
trotsky |
May-24-06 12:27 PM |
#253 |
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The media in Boston certainly played up the guy's atheism. |
BurtWorm |
May-24-06 02:38 PM |
#266 |
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Great point, BurtWorm. n/t |
trotsky |
May-24-06 03:14 PM |
#271 |
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Roadside religious icons don't belong on public property, either. |
porphyrian |
May-24-06 09:41 AM |
#226 |
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The Christian cross |
frogmarch |
May-24-06 09:43 AM |
#227 |
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His Property, why should he be forced to promote the religion |
TheFriedPiper |
May-24-06 10:11 AM |
#235 |
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If it is his land, he has the right to do |
dogday |
May-24-06 10:13 AM |
#237 |
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I have a problem with the whole roadside shrine thing, anyways |
noonwitch |
May-24-06 10:33 AM |
#239 |
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I would do the same if it were my property and I would charge trespassing. |
NoodleyAppendage |
May-24-06 11:56 AM |
#242 |
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Almost happened to me when someone stopped their car in the |
Strong Atheist |
May-24-06 12:07 PM |
#246 |
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No chance to bash atheists gets missed, does it? |
TheFriedPiper |
May-24-06 03:01 PM |
#268 |
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I expect to find a burning "null set" symbol on my lawn... |
Wrinkle_In_Time |
May-24-06 09:36 PM |
#283 |
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I Don't Understand Why People Put Anything To Memorialize Where Someone Is |
Southpawkicker |
May-24-06 09:45 PM |
#286 |
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Intolerance, pure and simple |
Nevernose |
May-24-06 10:44 PM |
#295 |
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Did you read that he allowed angels, stuffed animals, etc? |
Bluebear |
May-24-06 10:45 PM |
#296 |
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penny=pound; ALSO the anti-Catholic antipathy is VERY suspicious |
Nevernose |
May-24-06 11:06 PM |
#298 |
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If he doesn't want that crap on his lawn he shouldn't have to tolerate it. |
Cobalt Violet |
May-24-06 11:41 PM |
#306 |
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If he had been a fundamentalist Christian |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
May-25-06 02:21 AM |
#308 |
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I'd like to see a fundie allow satanic memorial symbols. |
Cobalt Violet |
May-25-06 06:39 AM |
#322 |
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Not a religious issue or a property issue or a rights issue - |
lynne |
May-24-06 11:20 PM |
#303 |
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You tell me that a wiccan and her unborn child |
depakid |
May-25-06 02:42 AM |
#309 |
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If they were indeed Christians, then I'd expect the same from them |
LittleClarkie |
May-25-06 02:56 AM |
#310 |
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Expect is one thing |
depakid |
May-25-06 03:16 AM |
#311 |
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How do you know that the atheist has alway be treated ... |
Cobalt Violet |
May-25-06 06:45 AM |
#323 |
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No I don't. |
LittleClarkie |
May-25-06 03:06 PM |
#339 |
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What a Jackass |
DoveTurnedHawk |
May-25-06 03:36 AM |
#312 |
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"abominable things"?Like what? |
Cobalt Violet |
May-25-06 06:52 AM |
#324 |
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The Guy's Fiancee and Unborn Child DIED |
DoveTurnedHawk |
May-25-06 08:57 AM |
#328 |
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Wow, the only people to ever DIE! |
Cobalt Violet |
May-25-06 10:16 AM |
#329 |
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The Guy Is Utterly Callous |
DoveTurnedHawk |
May-25-06 11:31 AM |
#332 |
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Can't wait until Billy the Klansman comes onto these peoples' properties |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-25-06 04:37 PM |
#345 |
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It's his property. I never quite understood this whole roadside |
lectrobyte |
May-25-06 11:39 AM |
#333 |
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If someone put up swastika on my property, I'd take it down |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-25-06 04:27 PM |
#342 |
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Let's Face It: Some People Are Just Total Assholes. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-25-06 04:36 PM |
#344 |
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So I'm going to reverse the situation and try it that way. |
LanternWaste |
May-25-06 06:24 PM |
#348 |
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Reality check |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
May-25-06 10:59 PM |
#351 |
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Make it easier for people. Imagine it was an orthodox Jew |
BurtWorm |
May-26-06 09:56 AM |
#355 |
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Of course not |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
May-26-06 11:43 PM |
#356 |
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MSM picks on atheists? DU'ers pick on christians? |
The Straight Story |
May-27-06 11:42 AM |
#360 |