Jed Dilligan
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Sun May-21-06 08:55 PM
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| 75. When I see five on-duty cops standing around for two hours |
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bullshitting and laughing after a DWB stop, and my college freshman students can't read or write a sentence, I'm willing to risk a little less police protection.
The cops where there are the greatest number of cops--rich areas--have very little to do already other than weed out "undesirables" based on racial and property profiling. The inner cities do need more cops now, but without drug crime (including theft and robbery and gang violence) the need would diminish greatly. If the excess cops from rich areas were deployed to the meanest streets, there could be a net reduction in cops with no reduction in public safety. It would just be easier to get through a rich neighborhood if you were brown or driving a crappy car.
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| -Revisiting immigration. |
Maestro |
May-21-06 10:13 AM |
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So much misinformation going around |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 11:16 AM |
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Baloney. Illegals drive down wages far more than 4-5%. |
MrTriumph |
May-21-06 11:30 AM |
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My lack of sympathy for Americans is sad? |
Maestro |
May-21-06 12:06 PM |
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No way he read your links |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:16 PM |
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I have noticed a new trend here at DU. Don't back up your claims and |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 12:36 PM |
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Why read? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:40 PM |
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AMERICAN IMMIGRATION LAWYERS ASSO. is hardly a valid source |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:33 AM |
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Why? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 10:33 AM |
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I'll bet you're one of those people who believe English |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 01:21 PM |
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You are making an assumption. Maybe you should try unbiased facts |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:10 PM |
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You seem to have made a lot of your own assumptions |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:15 PM |
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Pres. Bush appreciates your blind loyalty. |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:41 PM |
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Yeah, my five years of posting here just scream hot monkey love |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:47 PM |
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Don't worry. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:40 PM |
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no problemo |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 08:45 PM |
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Okay how about some facts and links supporting your viewpoint then? |
proud2Blib |
May-22-06 05:17 PM |
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Is there something wrong with the studies to which the article refers? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:53 PM |
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or claim that one source is really just as good as another |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 01:26 PM |
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As is the cheap sanctimony. n/t |
QC |
May-21-06 04:26 PM |
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I was sanctimonious with him/her? |
Maestro |
May-21-06 05:59 PM |
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I wasn't responding to you. |
QC |
May-21-06 08:01 PM |
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Sorry about that but Proud2BLib |
Maestro |
May-21-06 08:37 PM |
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Comparing other DUers to school children is sanctimonious. ...eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 10:15 AM |
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I don't follow you. Care to elaborate? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 10:36 AM |
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link |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 11:34 AM |
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Even when they act like school children? |
proud2Blib |
May-22-06 01:36 PM |
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So we are to just tolerate ignorance and refusal to read facts? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 08:54 PM |
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Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is an ignorant racist |
QC |
May-21-06 10:27 PM |
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You must not be able to read |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 10:30 PM |
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No, I can read quite well. |
QC |
May-21-06 10:34 PM |
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You saw through me long ago? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 10:41 PM |
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Are you transparent? Kind of like the Invisible man? |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 10:58 PM |
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Damn! You too? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 11:31 PM |
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Desperate people work for less ... |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 12:19 PM |
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During the depression, people were willing to work for $1 a day |
Cleita |
May-21-06 12:44 PM |
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It started long before that - and one could argue that it was the cause, |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 01:09 PM |
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Yes, there is nothing like government regulation of |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:14 PM |
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It's not quite that simple, imho. |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 01:39 PM |
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I do know that back in the late fifties and early sixties, when I |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:49 PM |
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I was never really able to live on minimum wage at all |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 02:00 PM |
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In the eighties it wasn't possible to live on minimum wage |
Cleita |
May-21-06 02:12 PM |
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Between 1956 and 1982, minimum wage was barely livable for an individual |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 02:50 PM |
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It wasn't enough to support a family, only one person eking by. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 03:32 PM |
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yes, maldistribution of wealth was the primary cause of the Great |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 01:14 PM |
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Demonizing the workers is NOT the answer! |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:14 PM |
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People keep saying this but nobody is posting any |
Cleita |
May-21-06 12:29 PM |
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Facts just get in the way of opinions. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 12:38 PM |
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Sounds like a RW talking point |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:42 PM |
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That's why I want the sources of these statements. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:01 PM |
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Sure is quiet in here. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 01:03 PM |
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I have also noticed |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:17 PM |
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Hey me too Cleita! |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 01:21 PM |
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Ah yes. It's funny how those who don't cite facts show up at the same |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 01:25 PM |
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Some discussion boards have what they call a |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:32 PM |
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A troll pit? OMG! That is hysterical. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 04:29 PM |
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They have no choice. |
Cleita |
May-23-06 12:05 PM |
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Hey I know that guy! |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 01:39 PM |
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Well someone came in to support him/her |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:01 PM |
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Right on. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 06:14 PM |
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Hey wait a minute |
proud2Blib |
May-22-06 01:40 PM |
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It was. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:25 PM |
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Do a search right here |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 01:20 PM |
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I haven't really seen any. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:28 PM |
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yeah, god fobid any of us should become "factinistas" |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 12:53 PM |
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Yeah, Maybe you should provide facts instead of bogus "facts" |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:37 AM |
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The D. Cole & L. Gutierrez sources are opinions, not fact. |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:48 AM |
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And where are your links? |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 01:29 PM |
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I never said I had any links. I do have first hand experience competing |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:09 PM |
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sure you do |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:13 PM |
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I can read the license plate of the bus that's running me over, Clio |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:38 PM |
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More middle-class workers are being squeezed by H-1B visas |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:50 PM |
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"More" What do you mean more? 12 million illegals take jobs from |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 04:13 PM |
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Was that a company in the poultry industry? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:23 PM |
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Oh, I guess your point is illegals are kidnapped? Baloney |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 04:09 PM |
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Damn what is your effin problem? |
Maestro |
May-23-06 06:53 PM |
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How about some support for working Americans, the real victims? |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 08:43 PM |
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The links do have references to studies. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:52 PM |
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People are posting 'em |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-22-06 10:33 AM |
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Yep. And one of my original links makes reference to the |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:34 PM |
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Driving down wages an aggregate of 4-5% doesn't deny your reality. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-21-06 12:30 PM |
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Well the first point is not the concern of immigrants |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:32 PM |
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When the economy is robust, no one is looking to ascribe the lack |
Gormy Cuss |
May-21-06 08:19 PM |
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Then we are much closer to being in agreement |
Maestro |
May-21-06 08:40 PM |
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Interesting Gormy . Consider this: Construction gas been at an all time |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:31 AM |
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when people actually study this, rather than relying on... |
mike_c |
May-22-06 11:44 AM |
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What I was addressing is that 'on balance' doesn't explain every trade |
Gormy Cuss |
May-22-06 01:17 PM |
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Thanks, Gormy. You are right. It does get personal when it is your wages |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:18 PM |
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Yes, that is very interesting! |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:38 PM |
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And they should be punished. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:37 PM |
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There is no point in trying to tell them |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-21-06 02:09 PM |
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News to me |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 02:33 PM |
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Well why else |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-21-06 02:41 PM |
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I don't get your point at all |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 03:07 PM |
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Useful link here. |
QC |
May-21-06 04:29 PM |
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I understand you are attempting irony |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 05:33 PM |
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I'm not the person who you were responding to. |
QC |
May-21-06 08:02 PM |
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So explain for him/her/it, please. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 08:56 PM |
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Illegal worker advocates claim |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-21-06 09:42 PM |
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Link please |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 10:46 PM |
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Actually, your point is quite clear... |
sadiesworld |
May-21-06 04:08 PM |
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Then can you explain it to me? |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:52 PM |
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Actually The People Who Hire the Illegals Do |
stepnw1f |
May-21-06 04:13 PM |
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Apparently it is when it's easier to hate people for nothing |
Cleita |
May-21-06 05:12 PM |
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You Would Have Enjoyed My Debate with a Dittohead Yesterday |
stepnw1f |
May-21-06 05:20 PM |
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I don't hate illegals. But why do you hate American workers? |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:24 PM |
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They do not give a shit |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-22-06 08:37 PM |
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Amen, brother! |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 04:10 PM |
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Excellent links |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 12:52 PM |
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Thanks and if you would like more on bilingual education |
Maestro |
May-21-06 01:39 PM |
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thanks! |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 02:04 PM |
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Coolness! -nt |
Maestro |
May-21-06 05:56 PM |
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I find it disgusting |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 03:16 PM |
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That's not true. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 03:37 PM |
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Cops and courts and prisons are a big suck |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 03:55 PM |
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I'll agree about the prisons but without cops we couldn't go |
Cleita |
May-21-06 04:07 PM |
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But those laws are what keep the cops busy |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 04:22 PM |
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Not true. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 05:10 PM |
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Most crime is drug-related |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:42 PM |
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Police are paid out of property taxes? |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:46 PM |
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In CA, yes. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:48 PM |
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That is severely flawed |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:50 PM |
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North Carolina too |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:50 PM |
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Illegal goods always attract a criminal element, like bootleggers |
Cleita |
May-21-06 07:17 PM |
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When I see five on-duty cops standing around for two hours |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 08:55 PM |
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I can't disagree with you about the deployment. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 09:08 PM |
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I disagree with your conservative view of human nature |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 09:31 PM |
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You have made up your mind and so have I. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 10:45 PM |
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The jobs of the few are the price of change |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 11:22 PM |
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We are not talking about technological upheaval. This is job theft. |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 05:00 PM |
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Irrelevant to my point. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-23-06 11:14 PM |
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Stick it to the fuzz, man! |
QC |
May-21-06 04:31 PM |
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If by cops you mean the assine repuke controlled gov't |
Maestro |
May-21-06 05:54 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-22-06 09:41 AM |
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Wait, I thought it was republicans who wanted to build the wall |
RagingInMiami |
May-22-06 09:51 AM |
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Thanks for chiming in. I just to be clear |
Maestro |
May-22-06 12:08 PM |
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Oh man, far from it. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 10:21 AM |
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Open the borders so we can consume more cheap material crap |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 10:07 AM |
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I hate the idea of having a border where people enter without any control |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 11:51 AM |
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I would agree with that. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 12:05 PM |
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Breaking up families? |
Virginian |
May-22-06 12:55 PM |
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Apart from the criminals (there will always be some in every group) |
Maestro |
May-22-06 01:30 PM |
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Yes, I think you got my meaning |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-23-06 11:58 AM |
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Can we get a word in about the Environmental Impact of 60-100 million |
ausus |
May-26-06 01:51 PM |
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All I ask is that the real criminals be punished. |
Maestro |
May-27-06 09:01 PM |
#144 |
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