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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Police are paid out of property taxes?
That must be a state thing, because it is certainly not the case in my state. Wow. That is just strange.
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  -Revisiting immigration. Maestro  May-21-06 10:13 AM   #0 
  - So much misinformation going around  proud2Blib   May-21-06 11:16 AM   #1 
  - Baloney. Illegals drive down wages far more than 4-5%.  MrTriumph   May-21-06 11:30 AM   #2 
  - My lack of sympathy for Americans is sad?  Maestro   May-21-06 12:06 PM   #3 
  - No way he read your links  proud2Blib   May-21-06 12:16 PM   #5 
  - I have noticed a new trend here at DU. Don't back up your claims and  Kerrytravelers   May-21-06 12:36 PM   #9 
  - Why read?  proud2Blib   May-21-06 12:40 PM   #11 
  - AMERICAN IMMIGRATION LAWYERS ASSO. is hardly a valid source  MrTriumph   May-22-06 09:33 AM   #90 
     - Why?  Maestro   May-22-06 10:33 AM   #99 
     - I'll bet you're one of those people who believe English  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 01:21 PM   #108 
     - You are making an assumption. Maybe you should try unbiased facts  MrTriumph   May-22-06 05:10 PM   #114 
        - You seem to have made a lot of your own assumptions  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 05:15 PM   #116 
           - Pres. Bush appreciates your blind loyalty.  MrTriumph   May-22-06 05:41 PM   #121 
              - Yeah, my five years of posting here just scream hot monkey love  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 05:47 PM   #122 
                 - Don't worry.  Maestro   May-22-06 07:40 PM   #129 
                    - no problemo  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 08:45 PM   #133 
     - Okay how about some facts and links supporting your viewpoint then?  proud2Blib   May-22-06 05:17 PM   #117 
     - Is there something wrong with the studies to which the article refers?  Maestro   May-22-06 07:53 PM   #131 
  - or claim that one source is really just as good as another  Ms. Clio   May-21-06 01:26 PM   #25 
  - As is the cheap sanctimony. n/t  QC   May-21-06 04:26 PM   #48 
     - I was sanctimonious with him/her?  Maestro   May-21-06 05:59 PM   #58 
     - I wasn't responding to you.  QC   May-21-06 08:01 PM   #69 
        - Sorry about that but Proud2BLib  Maestro   May-21-06 08:37 PM   #72 
           - Comparing other DUers to school children is sanctimonious. ...eom  TheBorealAvenger   May-22-06 10:15 AM   #96 
              - I don't follow you. Care to elaborate?  Maestro   May-22-06 10:36 AM   #100 
              - link  TheBorealAvenger   May-22-06 11:34 AM   #101 
              - Even when they act like school children?  proud2Blib   May-22-06 01:36 PM   #111 
     - So we are to just tolerate ignorance and refusal to read facts?  proud2Blib   May-21-06 08:54 PM   #74 
        - Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is an ignorant racist  QC   May-21-06 10:27 PM   #80 
           - You must not be able to read  proud2Blib   May-21-06 10:30 PM   #81 
              - No, I can read quite well.  QC   May-21-06 10:34 PM   #82 
                 - You saw through me long ago?  proud2Blib   May-21-06 10:41 PM   #83 
                    - Are you transparent? Kind of like the Invisible man?  Kerrytravelers   May-21-06 10:58 PM   #86 
                       - Damn! You too?  proud2Blib   May-21-06 11:31 PM   #88 
  - Desperate people work for less ...  TahitiNut   May-21-06 12:19 PM   #6 
     - During the depression, people were willing to work for $1 a day  Cleita   May-21-06 12:44 PM   #13 
        - It started long before that - and one could argue that it was the cause,  TahitiNut   May-21-06 01:09 PM   #18 
           - Yes, there is nothing like government regulation of  Cleita   May-21-06 01:14 PM   #19 
           - It's not quite that simple, imho.  TahitiNut   May-21-06 01:39 PM   #30 
              - I do know that back in the late fifties and early sixties, when I  Cleita   May-21-06 01:49 PM   #31 
                 - I was never really able to live on minimum wage at all  Ms. Clio   May-21-06 02:00 PM   #32 
                 - In the eighties it wasn't possible to live on minimum wage  Cleita   May-21-06 02:12 PM   #35 
                 - Between 1956 and 1982, minimum wage was barely livable for an individual  TahitiNut   May-21-06 02:50 PM   #38 
                    - It wasn't enough to support a family, only one person eking by.  Cleita   May-21-06 03:32 PM   #41 
           - yes, maldistribution of wealth was the primary cause of the Great  Ms. Clio   May-21-06 01:14 PM   #20 
  - Demonizing the workers is NOT the answer!  proud2Blib   May-21-06 12:14 PM   #4 
  - People keep saying this but nobody is posting any  Cleita   May-21-06 12:29 PM   #7 
  - Facts just get in the way of opinions.  Kerrytravelers   May-21-06 12:38 PM   #10 
  - Sounds like a RW talking point  proud2Blib   May-21-06 12:42 PM   #12 
  - That's why I want the sources of these statements.  Cleita   May-21-06 01:01 PM   #16 
     - Sure is quiet in here.  Kerrytravelers   May-21-06 01:03 PM   #17 
     - I have also noticed  Cleita   May-21-06 01:17 PM   #21 
     - Hey me too Cleita!  proud2Blib   May-21-06 01:21 PM   #23 
     - Ah yes. It's funny how those who don't cite facts show up at the same  Kerrytravelers   May-21-06 01:25 PM   #24 
        - Some discussion boards have what they call a  Cleita   May-21-06 01:32 PM   #27 
        - A troll pit? OMG! That is hysterical.  Kerrytravelers   May-21-06 04:29 PM   #50 
           - They have no choice.  Cleita   May-23-06 12:05 PM   #135 
        - Hey I know that guy!  proud2Blib   May-21-06 01:39 PM   #28 
     - Well someone came in to support him/her  Maestro   May-21-06 06:01 PM   #59 
        - Right on.  Kerrytravelers   May-21-06 06:14 PM   #60 
        - Hey wait a minute  proud2Blib   May-22-06 01:40 PM   #112 
           - It was.  Maestro   May-22-06 07:25 PM   #125 
     - Do a search right here  proud2Blib   May-21-06 01:20 PM   #22 
        - I haven't really seen any.  Cleita   May-21-06 01:28 PM   #26 
  - yeah, god fobid any of us should become "factinistas"  Ms. Clio   May-21-06 12:53 PM   #15 
  - Yeah, Maybe you should provide facts instead of bogus "facts"  MrTriumph   May-22-06 09:37 AM   #91 
  - The D. Cole & L. Gutierrez sources are opinions, not fact.  MrTriumph   May-22-06 09:48 AM   #93 
     - And where are your links?  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 01:29 PM   #109 
     - I never said I had any links. I do have first hand experience competing  MrTriumph   May-22-06 05:09 PM   #113 
        - sure you do  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 05:13 PM   #115 
           - I can read the license plate of the bus that's running me over, Clio  MrTriumph   May-22-06 05:38 PM   #120 
              - More middle-class workers are being squeezed by H-1B visas  Ms. Clio   May-22-06 05:50 PM   #123 
              - "More" What do you mean more? 12 million illegals take jobs from  MrTriumph   May-23-06 04:13 PM   #138 
              - Was that a company in the poultry industry?  Maestro   May-22-06 07:23 PM   #124 
                 - Oh, I guess your point is illegals are kidnapped? Baloney  MrTriumph   May-23-06 04:09 PM   #136 
                    - Damn what is your effin problem?  Maestro   May-23-06 06:53 PM   #140 
                       - How about some support for working Americans, the real victims?  MrTriumph   May-23-06 08:43 PM   #141 
     - The links do have references to studies.  Maestro   May-22-06 07:52 PM   #130 
  - People are posting 'em  lumberjack_jeff   May-22-06 10:33 AM   #98 
     - Yep. And one of my original links makes reference to the  Maestro   May-22-06 07:34 PM   #126 
  - Driving down wages an aggregate of 4-5% doesn't deny your reality.  Gormy Cuss   May-21-06 12:30 PM   #8 
  - Well the first point is not the concern of immigrants  Maestro   May-21-06 06:32 PM   #61 
  - When the economy is robust, no one is looking to ascribe the lack  Gormy Cuss   May-21-06 08:19 PM   #71 
     - Then we are much closer to being in agreement  Maestro   May-21-06 08:40 PM   #73 
  - Interesting Gormy . Consider this: Construction gas been at an all time  MrTriumph   May-22-06 09:31 AM   #89 
     - when people actually study this, rather than relying on...  mike_c   May-22-06 11:44 AM   #102 
     - What I was addressing is that 'on balance' doesn't explain every trade  Gormy Cuss   May-22-06 01:17 PM   #107 
     - Thanks, Gormy. You are right. It does get personal when it is your wages  MrTriumph   May-22-06 05:18 PM   #118 
     - Yes, that is very interesting!  Maestro   May-22-06 07:38 PM   #128 
     - And they should be punished.  Maestro   May-22-06 07:37 PM   #127 
  - There is no point in trying to tell them  Kansas Wyatt   May-21-06 02:09 PM   #34 
  - News to me  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 02:33 PM   #36 
     - Well why else  Kansas Wyatt   May-21-06 02:41 PM   #37 
        - I don't get your point at all  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 03:07 PM   #39 
        - Useful link here.  QC   May-21-06 04:29 PM   #49 
           - I understand you are attempting irony  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 05:33 PM   #55 
              - I'm not the person who you were responding to.  QC   May-21-06 08:02 PM   #70 
                 - So explain for him/her/it, please.  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 08:56 PM   #76 
                    - Illegal worker advocates claim  Kansas Wyatt   May-21-06 09:42 PM   #79 
                       - Link please  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 10:46 PM   #85 
        - Actually, your point is quite clear...  sadiesworld   May-21-06 04:08 PM   #45 
           - Then can you explain it to me?  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 06:52 PM   #67 
  - Actually The People Who Hire the Illegals Do  stepnw1f   May-21-06 04:13 PM   #46 
     - Apparently it is when it's easier to hate people for nothing  Cleita   May-21-06 05:12 PM   #53 
        - You Would Have Enjoyed My Debate with a Dittohead Yesterday  stepnw1f   May-21-06 05:20 PM   #54 
        - I don't hate illegals. But why do you hate American workers?  MrTriumph   May-22-06 05:24 PM   #119 
           - They do not give a shit  Kansas Wyatt   May-22-06 08:37 PM   #132 
              - Amen, brother!  MrTriumph   May-23-06 04:10 PM   #137 
  - Excellent links  Ms. Clio   May-21-06 12:52 PM   #14 
  - Thanks and if you would like more on bilingual education  Maestro   May-21-06 01:39 PM   #29 
     - thanks!  Ms. Clio   May-21-06 02:04 PM   #33 
        - Coolness! -nt  Maestro   May-21-06 05:56 PM   #57 
  - I find it disgusting  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 03:16 PM   #40 
  - That's not true.  Cleita   May-21-06 03:37 PM   #42 
  - Cops and courts and prisons are a big suck  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 03:55 PM   #43 
     - I'll agree about the prisons but without cops we couldn't go  Cleita   May-21-06 04:07 PM   #44 
        - But those laws are what keep the cops busy  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 04:22 PM   #47 
           - Not true.  Cleita   May-21-06 05:10 PM   #52 
              - Most crime is drug-related  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 06:42 PM   #62 
                 - Police are paid out of property taxes?  Maestro   May-21-06 06:46 PM   #63 
                 - In CA, yes.  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 06:48 PM   #64 
                 - That is severely flawed  Maestro   May-21-06 06:50 PM   #66 
                 - North Carolina too  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 06:50 PM   #65 
                 - Illegal goods always attract a criminal element, like bootleggers  Cleita   May-21-06 07:17 PM   #68 
                    - When I see five on-duty cops standing around for two hours  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 08:55 PM   #75 
                       - I can't disagree with you about the deployment.  Cleita   May-21-06 09:08 PM   #77 
                          - I disagree with your conservative view of human nature  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 09:31 PM   #78 
                             - You have made up your mind and so have I.  Cleita   May-21-06 10:45 PM   #84 
                                - The jobs of the few are the price of change  Jed Dilligan   May-21-06 11:22 PM   #87 
                                   - We are not talking about technological upheaval. This is job theft.  MrTriumph   May-23-06 05:00 PM   #139 
                                      - Irrelevant to my point.  Jed Dilligan   May-23-06 11:14 PM   #142 
  - Stick it to the fuzz, man!  QC   May-21-06 04:31 PM   #51 
  - If by cops you mean the assine repuke controlled gov't  Maestro   May-21-06 05:54 PM   #56 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-06 09:41 AM   #92 
  - Wait, I thought it was republicans who wanted to build the wall  RagingInMiami   May-22-06 09:51 AM   #94 
  - Thanks for chiming in. I just to be clear  Maestro   May-22-06 12:08 PM   #105 
  - Oh man, far from it.  Maestro   May-22-06 10:21 AM   #97 
  - Open the borders so we can consume more cheap material crap  TheBorealAvenger   May-22-06 10:07 AM   #95 
  - I hate the idea of having a border where people enter without any control  TheBorealAvenger   May-22-06 11:51 AM   #103 
  - I would agree with that.  Maestro   May-22-06 12:05 PM   #104 
  - Breaking up families?  Virginian   May-22-06 12:55 PM   #106 
     - Apart from the criminals (there will always be some in every group)  Maestro   May-22-06 01:30 PM   #110 
        - Yes, I think you got my meaning  TheBorealAvenger   May-23-06 11:58 AM   #134 
  - Can we get a word in about the Environmental Impact of 60-100 million  ausus   May-26-06 01:51 PM   #143 
     - All I ask is that the real criminals be punished.  Maestro   May-27-06 09:01 PM   #144 
 

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