Ms. Clio
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Sun May-21-06 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #10 |
| 15. yeah, god fobid any of us should become "factinistas" |
| -Revisiting immigration. |
Maestro |
May-21-06 10:13 AM |
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So much misinformation going around |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 11:16 AM |
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Baloney. Illegals drive down wages far more than 4-5%. |
MrTriumph |
May-21-06 11:30 AM |
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My lack of sympathy for Americans is sad? |
Maestro |
May-21-06 12:06 PM |
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No way he read your links |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:16 PM |
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I have noticed a new trend here at DU. Don't back up your claims and |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 12:36 PM |
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Why read? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:40 PM |
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AMERICAN IMMIGRATION LAWYERS ASSO. is hardly a valid source |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:33 AM |
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Why? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 10:33 AM |
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I'll bet you're one of those people who believe English |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 01:21 PM |
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You are making an assumption. Maybe you should try unbiased facts |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:10 PM |
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You seem to have made a lot of your own assumptions |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:15 PM |
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Pres. Bush appreciates your blind loyalty. |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:41 PM |
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Yeah, my five years of posting here just scream hot monkey love |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:47 PM |
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Don't worry. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:40 PM |
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no problemo |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 08:45 PM |
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Okay how about some facts and links supporting your viewpoint then? |
proud2Blib |
May-22-06 05:17 PM |
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Is there something wrong with the studies to which the article refers? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:53 PM |
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or claim that one source is really just as good as another |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 01:26 PM |
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As is the cheap sanctimony. n/t |
QC |
May-21-06 04:26 PM |
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I was sanctimonious with him/her? |
Maestro |
May-21-06 05:59 PM |
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I wasn't responding to you. |
QC |
May-21-06 08:01 PM |
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Sorry about that but Proud2BLib |
Maestro |
May-21-06 08:37 PM |
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Comparing other DUers to school children is sanctimonious. ...eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 10:15 AM |
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I don't follow you. Care to elaborate? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 10:36 AM |
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link |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 11:34 AM |
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Even when they act like school children? |
proud2Blib |
May-22-06 01:36 PM |
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So we are to just tolerate ignorance and refusal to read facts? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 08:54 PM |
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Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is an ignorant racist |
QC |
May-21-06 10:27 PM |
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You must not be able to read |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 10:30 PM |
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No, I can read quite well. |
QC |
May-21-06 10:34 PM |
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You saw through me long ago? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 10:41 PM |
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Are you transparent? Kind of like the Invisible man? |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 10:58 PM |
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Damn! You too? |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 11:31 PM |
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Desperate people work for less ... |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 12:19 PM |
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During the depression, people were willing to work for $1 a day |
Cleita |
May-21-06 12:44 PM |
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It started long before that - and one could argue that it was the cause, |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 01:09 PM |
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Yes, there is nothing like government regulation of |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:14 PM |
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It's not quite that simple, imho. |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 01:39 PM |
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I do know that back in the late fifties and early sixties, when I |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:49 PM |
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I was never really able to live on minimum wage at all |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 02:00 PM |
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In the eighties it wasn't possible to live on minimum wage |
Cleita |
May-21-06 02:12 PM |
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Between 1956 and 1982, minimum wage was barely livable for an individual |
TahitiNut |
May-21-06 02:50 PM |
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It wasn't enough to support a family, only one person eking by. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 03:32 PM |
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yes, maldistribution of wealth was the primary cause of the Great |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 01:14 PM |
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Demonizing the workers is NOT the answer! |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:14 PM |
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People keep saying this but nobody is posting any |
Cleita |
May-21-06 12:29 PM |
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Facts just get in the way of opinions. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 12:38 PM |
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Sounds like a RW talking point |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 12:42 PM |
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That's why I want the sources of these statements. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:01 PM |
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Sure is quiet in here. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 01:03 PM |
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I have also noticed |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:17 PM |
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Hey me too Cleita! |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 01:21 PM |
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Ah yes. It's funny how those who don't cite facts show up at the same |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 01:25 PM |
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Some discussion boards have what they call a |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:32 PM |
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A troll pit? OMG! That is hysterical. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 04:29 PM |
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They have no choice. |
Cleita |
May-23-06 12:05 PM |
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Hey I know that guy! |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 01:39 PM |
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Well someone came in to support him/her |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:01 PM |
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Right on. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-21-06 06:14 PM |
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Hey wait a minute |
proud2Blib |
May-22-06 01:40 PM |
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It was. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:25 PM |
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Do a search right here |
proud2Blib |
May-21-06 01:20 PM |
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I haven't really seen any. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 01:28 PM |
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yeah, god fobid any of us should become "factinistas" |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 12:53 PM |
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Yeah, Maybe you should provide facts instead of bogus "facts" |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:37 AM |
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The D. Cole & L. Gutierrez sources are opinions, not fact. |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:48 AM |
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And where are your links? |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 01:29 PM |
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I never said I had any links. I do have first hand experience competing |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:09 PM |
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sure you do |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:13 PM |
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I can read the license plate of the bus that's running me over, Clio |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:38 PM |
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More middle-class workers are being squeezed by H-1B visas |
Ms. Clio |
May-22-06 05:50 PM |
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"More" What do you mean more? 12 million illegals take jobs from |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 04:13 PM |
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Was that a company in the poultry industry? |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:23 PM |
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Oh, I guess your point is illegals are kidnapped? Baloney |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 04:09 PM |
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Damn what is your effin problem? |
Maestro |
May-23-06 06:53 PM |
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How about some support for working Americans, the real victims? |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 08:43 PM |
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The links do have references to studies. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:52 PM |
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People are posting 'em |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-22-06 10:33 AM |
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Yep. And one of my original links makes reference to the |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:34 PM |
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Driving down wages an aggregate of 4-5% doesn't deny your reality. |
Gormy Cuss |
May-21-06 12:30 PM |
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Well the first point is not the concern of immigrants |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:32 PM |
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When the economy is robust, no one is looking to ascribe the lack |
Gormy Cuss |
May-21-06 08:19 PM |
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Then we are much closer to being in agreement |
Maestro |
May-21-06 08:40 PM |
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Interesting Gormy . Consider this: Construction gas been at an all time |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 09:31 AM |
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when people actually study this, rather than relying on... |
mike_c |
May-22-06 11:44 AM |
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What I was addressing is that 'on balance' doesn't explain every trade |
Gormy Cuss |
May-22-06 01:17 PM |
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Thanks, Gormy. You are right. It does get personal when it is your wages |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:18 PM |
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Yes, that is very interesting! |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:38 PM |
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And they should be punished. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 07:37 PM |
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There is no point in trying to tell them |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-21-06 02:09 PM |
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News to me |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 02:33 PM |
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Well why else |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-21-06 02:41 PM |
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I don't get your point at all |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 03:07 PM |
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Useful link here. |
QC |
May-21-06 04:29 PM |
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I understand you are attempting irony |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 05:33 PM |
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I'm not the person who you were responding to. |
QC |
May-21-06 08:02 PM |
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So explain for him/her/it, please. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 08:56 PM |
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Illegal worker advocates claim |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-21-06 09:42 PM |
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Link please |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 10:46 PM |
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Actually, your point is quite clear... |
sadiesworld |
May-21-06 04:08 PM |
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Then can you explain it to me? |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:52 PM |
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Actually The People Who Hire the Illegals Do |
stepnw1f |
May-21-06 04:13 PM |
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Apparently it is when it's easier to hate people for nothing |
Cleita |
May-21-06 05:12 PM |
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You Would Have Enjoyed My Debate with a Dittohead Yesterday |
stepnw1f |
May-21-06 05:20 PM |
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I don't hate illegals. But why do you hate American workers? |
MrTriumph |
May-22-06 05:24 PM |
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They do not give a shit |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-22-06 08:37 PM |
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Amen, brother! |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 04:10 PM |
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Excellent links |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 12:52 PM |
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Thanks and if you would like more on bilingual education |
Maestro |
May-21-06 01:39 PM |
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thanks! |
Ms. Clio |
May-21-06 02:04 PM |
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Coolness! -nt |
Maestro |
May-21-06 05:56 PM |
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I find it disgusting |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 03:16 PM |
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That's not true. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 03:37 PM |
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Cops and courts and prisons are a big suck |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 03:55 PM |
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I'll agree about the prisons but without cops we couldn't go |
Cleita |
May-21-06 04:07 PM |
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But those laws are what keep the cops busy |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 04:22 PM |
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Not true. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 05:10 PM |
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Most crime is drug-related |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:42 PM |
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Police are paid out of property taxes? |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:46 PM |
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In CA, yes. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:48 PM |
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That is severely flawed |
Maestro |
May-21-06 06:50 PM |
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North Carolina too |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 06:50 PM |
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Illegal goods always attract a criminal element, like bootleggers |
Cleita |
May-21-06 07:17 PM |
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When I see five on-duty cops standing around for two hours |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 08:55 PM |
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I can't disagree with you about the deployment. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 09:08 PM |
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I disagree with your conservative view of human nature |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 09:31 PM |
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You have made up your mind and so have I. |
Cleita |
May-21-06 10:45 PM |
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The jobs of the few are the price of change |
Jed Dilligan |
May-21-06 11:22 PM |
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We are not talking about technological upheaval. This is job theft. |
MrTriumph |
May-23-06 05:00 PM |
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Irrelevant to my point. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-23-06 11:14 PM |
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Stick it to the fuzz, man! |
QC |
May-21-06 04:31 PM |
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If by cops you mean the assine repuke controlled gov't |
Maestro |
May-21-06 05:54 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-22-06 09:41 AM |
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Wait, I thought it was republicans who wanted to build the wall |
RagingInMiami |
May-22-06 09:51 AM |
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Thanks for chiming in. I just to be clear |
Maestro |
May-22-06 12:08 PM |
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Oh man, far from it. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 10:21 AM |
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Open the borders so we can consume more cheap material crap |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 10:07 AM |
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I hate the idea of having a border where people enter without any control |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-22-06 11:51 AM |
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I would agree with that. |
Maestro |
May-22-06 12:05 PM |
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Breaking up families? |
Virginian |
May-22-06 12:55 PM |
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Apart from the criminals (there will always be some in every group) |
Maestro |
May-22-06 01:30 PM |
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Yes, I think you got my meaning |
TheBorealAvenger |
May-23-06 11:58 AM |
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Can we get a word in about the Environmental Impact of 60-100 million |
ausus |
May-26-06 01:51 PM |
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All I ask is that the real criminals be punished. |
Maestro |
May-27-06 09:01 PM |
#144 |
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