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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:05 AM
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130. There's a difference between a polemicist and a reporter.
They have different functions. If you only want to get your news from, and you only trust, extreme partisans as news sources, then you are as bad as Bush, who does likewise.
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  - Will Pitt and Mark Ash of TruthOut--- do I trust their judgment? trumad  May-16-06 06:22 PM   #0 
  - I am willing to believe this story until there is reason not to.  MrsGrumpy   May-16-06 06:24 PM   #1 
  - I trust them more than the corporate media  JNelson6563   May-16-06 06:25 PM   #2 
  - If there were reason to retract this story, TO would do so.  benburch   May-16-06 06:26 PM   #3 
  - I'm with the Truth-out!  liberalnurse   May-16-06 06:27 PM   #4 
  - How many times have they been right vs. wrong?  Steve_DeShazer   May-16-06 06:28 PM   #5 
  - how many times?  Snivi Yllom   May-16-06 06:30 PM   #9 
  - Rove has fooled Dan Rather and CBS....  Junkdrawer   May-16-06 06:29 PM   #6 
  - You're mistaking being fooled with being railroaded. Rather was....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 08:40 PM   #51 
     - I followed it closely...A true story was "salted" with a fake document.  Junkdrawer   May-16-06 08:49 PM   #63 
        - Where did you learn conclusivly the document was a fake?  Bandit   May-17-06 11:12 AM   #139 
           - I found this convincing...  Junkdrawer   May-17-06 11:47 AM   #140 
  - I don't for a *second* believe that a wait-and-see skepticism....  BlooInBloo   May-16-06 06:29 PM   #7 
  - 24 business hours  Kire   May-16-06 10:20 PM   #106 
  - Well, there is this fact:  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 06:29 PM   #8 
  - That's your mantra, and you're stickin' to it.  Maddy McCall   May-16-06 06:37 PM   #16 
  - Damn right I am  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 06:38 PM   #17 
  - We at some point NEEDED Sonny Bono??  DancingBear   May-16-06 06:41 PM   #19 
  - See?  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:07 PM   #80 
     - With just Cher. And that's tragic.  Maddy McCall   May-16-06 09:20 PM   #91 
        - Of course not  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:23 PM   #93 
           - I miss Dean Martin.  Maddy McCall   May-16-06 10:26 PM   #109 
  - So much for your credibility on this issue. Thanks for playing.  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 08:42 PM   #53 
  - It's longer than Leopold's mantra.  Kire   May-16-06 10:23 PM   #107 
     - ...  Maddy McCall   May-16-06 10:27 PM   #110 
  - Why so harsh?  8_year_nightmare   May-16-06 06:52 PM   #26 
  - You are confusing "harsh" with "direct"  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 07:04 PM   #32 
  - Why draw this whole issue out if you know the whereabouts of  oregonjen   May-16-06 09:00 PM   #72 
  - It's a matter of public record  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:06 PM   #79 
     - "The way others have?" If they have, no one on DU seems to know  oregonjen   May-16-06 09:10 PM   #82 
        - No one?  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:15 PM   #87 
           - See, instead of proving your arguements, you turn to putting me down  oregonjen   May-16-06 09:25 PM   #95 
           - Do your own homework  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:28 PM   #97 
              - Exactly why you post a linky, linky  oregonjen   May-16-06 09:48 PM   #103 
              - the burden of proof is on you  Kire   May-16-06 10:33 PM   #112 
                 - "... burden of proof ..."?  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 10:54 PM   #114 
                    - You post flamebait...  Kire   May-16-06 11:40 PM   #117 
                       - Well, if you're a farmer,  OldLeftieLawyer   May-17-06 06:18 AM   #127 
           - Bitter much?  Moochy   May-16-06 09:44 PM   #102 
  - Okay, would someone  deansyawp   May-17-06 12:24 AM   #119 
  - "It's not my fault, It's not my fault"  Kire   May-16-06 10:25 PM   #108 
  - or that Rove sat in on the meetings with his secret service detail  Halliburton   May-16-06 08:35 PM   #48 
  - Shhhhhhhh  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 08:46 PM   #57 
  - Just asking -  Breeze54   May-16-06 09:40 PM   #100 
     - He doesn't even need to be indicted,  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 10:14 PM   #105 
        - wow...  Breeze54   May-16-06 10:58 PM   #115 
  - Did you hear Mr. Leopold on Ed Schultz ?  BeatleBoot   May-16-06 06:31 PM   #10 
  - HAHAHAHAHA!  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 06:34 PM   #12 
  - I don't have a stake in any of this...  BeatleBoot   May-16-06 06:39 PM   #18 
  - There is no indictment  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 06:43 PM   #21 
     - Repectfully, an ex-prosecutor friend of mine thinks TO could be right.  benburch   May-16-06 06:51 PM   #23 
     - Thank you for the definition of a "sealed indictment"  BeatleBoot   May-16-06 06:52 PM   #25 
     - It's pretty easy to find out  DancingBear   May-16-06 06:57 PM   #28 
     - Naw,  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 06:58 PM   #29 
        - Okeee-Dokeee  BeatleBoot   May-16-06 07:03 PM   #31 
        - You act like you've got enough for everyone. If you're so sure....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 08:44 PM   #54 
     - OLL, please tell me if I have this right...  Sparkly   May-16-06 06:53 PM   #27 
        - Too much like practicing law online,  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 07:00 PM   #30 
           - I understand.  Sparkly   May-16-06 07:21 PM   #37 
           - Why stop now? Haven't you been "practicing law online" since...  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 08:50 PM   #65 
              - hehe....(nt)  stepnw1f   May-16-06 09:02 PM   #73 
  - Leopold has no common sense  Halliburton   May-16-06 09:10 PM   #83 
  - Leopold should be a comedian  Halliburton   May-16-06 08:47 PM   #59 
  - This isn't over yet and just because nothing has become  Cleita   May-16-06 06:33 PM   #11 
  - I gave him the benefit of the doubt until "24 business hours"  tritsofme   May-16-06 06:36 PM   #13 
  - BINGO! "Report" the OBVIOUS and hope for timing  DisgustedTX   May-16-06 07:22 PM   #38 
  - Succinct,  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 08:49 PM   #62 
  - Why Did They EDIT The Original Story?  arwalden   May-17-06 11:09 AM   #138 
  - Pitt has made his bones as a serious journalist  Vinnie From Indy   May-16-06 06:36 PM   #14 
  - alot more to the story...and Cheney is a big part of it  katty   May-16-06 06:37 PM   #15 
  - Could be...JL either connected to or manipulated by OVP.  5X   May-16-06 07:20 PM   #36 
  - Do I trust their judgment as opposed to someone in the MSM?  Rex   May-16-06 06:43 PM   #20 
  - I'm withholding judgement for the moment....  mike_c   May-16-06 06:45 PM   #22 
  - Ditto.  DesertedRose   May-17-06 10:18 AM   #131 
  - Truthout, Leopold, Pitt, Ash and a woman from TO whose name I  HereSince1628   May-16-06 06:52 PM   #24 
  - Like I said above---  trumad   May-16-06 07:05 PM   #33 
  - Are We Through With The Circular Firing Squad Yet???  KharmaTrain   May-16-06 07:07 PM   #34 
  - I still believe it.........  tulsakatz   May-16-06 07:09 PM   #35 
  - No, I do not trust their judgement. Trust must be earned. n/t  Clarkie1   May-16-06 07:29 PM   #39 
  - Trust must be earned?  trumad   May-16-06 07:50 PM   #42 
  - Trust can't be earned  Dunedain   May-17-06 01:52 AM   #124 
  - Will stands behind the story, I am standing behind him  Generic Other   May-16-06 07:47 PM   #40 
  - I too stand with Will and Truthout....  Pachamama   May-17-06 03:17 AM   #126 
  - Thank you, Thank you, Thank you  spokane   May-16-06 07:50 PM   #41 
  - Interesting message.  H2O Man   May-16-06 08:03 PM   #43 
  - Libby>>>>Liddy?? lol  Chomp   May-16-06 08:34 PM   #46 
  - Yikes!  H2O Man   May-16-06 08:48 PM   #60 
     - Too funny...plus ca change...n/t  Chomp   May-16-06 09:04 PM   #76 
  - Sometimimes urge to "jump forward" overcomes the "stepping backward."  KoKo01   May-16-06 09:22 PM   #92 
  - Merry Hoaxmas!  meisje   May-16-06 08:11 PM   #44 
  - LOL!  Vinnie From Indy   May-16-06 08:35 PM   #47 
  - Agree. I Posted An Innocent Sentiment Similar Last Night.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-16-06 08:22 PM   #45 
  - 'the same tired ole handful of expected posters'  Bluebear   May-16-06 08:58 PM   #71 
     - Most Can Do So Without Being Labelled Such.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-16-06 10:14 PM   #104 
  - No problem here....happy to support them. K & R.  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 08:36 PM   #49 
  - I have absolute faith in Will Pitt and T.O. and Dan Rather. ...n/t  WiseButAngrySara   May-16-06 08:37 PM   #50 
  - Has anyone heard from Mr. Pitt lately?  kingofalldems   May-16-06 08:42 PM   #52 
  - Its not nice to fool DUers.  Jacobin   May-16-06 08:46 PM   #58 
     - Incredible. So much hate, and life is so short.  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 08:52 PM   #67 
     - Yes. its so much nicer and easier to  Jacobin   May-16-06 09:04 PM   #77 
     - Which reminds me....  Bluebear   May-16-06 08:53 PM   #68 
        - Yes. I'm afraid I do  Jacobin   May-16-06 09:02 PM   #74 
        - Where did you find that photo??? I searched the nets thoroughly...  Maddy McCall   May-16-06 09:10 PM   #81 
        - She's all yours :)  Bluebear   May-16-06 09:13 PM   #85 
           - When I was a kid...  Maddy McCall   May-16-06 09:19 PM   #90 
        - Great...thanks for reminding me how old I am.  DesertedRose   May-17-06 10:24 AM   #132 
  - Trust is earned and it can be lost  Jacobin   May-16-06 08:45 PM   #55 
  - Ahem...  Maddy McCall   May-16-06 09:12 PM   #84 
  - What I don't understand ...  RoyGBiv   May-16-06 08:46 PM   #56 
  - Something happened on the way to the forum.  0007   May-16-06 08:48 PM   #61 
  - I'm just glad they're on our side.  madokie   May-16-06 08:50 PM   #64 
  - I agree trumad  Ksec   May-16-06 08:51 PM   #66 
  - the Bottom Line  garybeck   May-16-06 08:57 PM   #69 
  - Well said!  MelissaB   May-16-06 08:58 PM   #70 
  - I'm with you. Don't know Jason, but I feel like...  KAZ   May-16-06 09:03 PM   #75 
  - Sometimes deals are made....  kentuck   May-16-06 09:04 PM   #78 
  - I guarantee that's what Leopold will say  Halliburton   May-16-06 09:13 PM   #86 
  - This has happened before?  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:17 PM   #89 
     - how about the sealed indictment  Halliburton   May-16-06 09:44 PM   #101 
  - You don't 'make deals'  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:16 PM   #88 
     - Can they not change the timing of the announcement ?  kentuck   May-16-06 09:24 PM   #94 
        - I don't understand what you asked.  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:26 PM   #96 
           - Can the grand jury agree to announce an indictment at a later date?  kentuck   May-16-06 09:28 PM   #98 
              - They hand down the indictment  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 09:31 PM   #99 
                 - You describe a country I once heard about....  Junkdrawer   May-16-06 10:30 PM   #111 
                    - I live in that country  OldLeftieLawyer   May-16-06 10:52 PM   #113 
                       - LOL. Bush flaunts our most precious freedoms like most flaunt J walking...  Junkdrawer   May-16-06 11:31 PM   #116 
                          - Touche  canichelouis   May-17-06 12:12 AM   #118 
                             - I will stand behind them all the way  Tulum_Moon   May-17-06 01:05 AM   #120 
  - Bottom Line - Never Publish a Story w/o More Than One Source... n/t  Peter Frank   May-17-06 01:40 AM   #121 
  - Two is Good, but Three or more is optimal... n/t  Peter Frank   May-17-06 01:43 AM   #122 
  - Didn't he have, like, five sources? n/t  SeveneightyWhoa   May-17-06 01:50 AM   #123 
     - From what I understand (and I could be wrong)...  Peter Frank   May-17-06 02:00 AM   #125 
  - OK--the short answer is YES  lapislzi   May-17-06 06:21 AM   #128 
  - People need to be prepared for disappointments. Times are bad.  gordianot   May-17-06 09:45 AM   #129 
  - There's a difference between a polemicist and a reporter.  patcox2   May-17-06 10:05 AM   #130 
  - Excellent Observation.  arwalden   May-17-06 11:02 AM   #137 
  - I think they made the mistake of trying to scoop secret proceedings.  Inland   May-17-06 10:38 AM   #133 
  - I trust Pitt and Ash  davekriss   May-17-06 10:44 AM   #134 
  - Their judgment is now in question.  Orsino   May-17-06 10:51 AM   #135 
  - this controversy has hurt Truthout's fund raising. Guys and Gals  alfredo   May-17-06 10:52 AM   #136 
 

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