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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:25 AM
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18. Your arguments don't have anything to do with the issue.
Edited on Tue May-16-06 11:26 AM by Inland
1. It is not appalling that the grand jury proceedings are being kept secret. Not only is it the law, but its the only protection of the civil liberties of targets, witnesses and merely associated persons in a grand jury setting.

2. That one is reduced to reading tea leaves in an effort to guess about what the gj is doing is a reason to be cautious and skeptical, not an invitation to be neither.

3. There is no citizens duty to speculate about gj proceedings, at least, not where its clear they are being handled by a professional. Indictments are newsworthy and important. Scooping the announcement of an indictment by two days is not. Rove being indicted is important. An article scooping it is not.

4. As to Leopolds sources, theres only two types that know about what is going on with the gj, Fitz and the gj itself, and the defense attorneys. The former isnt talking, so the sources are either the defense attorneys, who have an incentive to lie, or people who really dont know. If he relied on defense attorneys, he got played and if he relied on someone elses educated guesses, then he should have said so. In either event, I would have warned Leopold to use better judgment in the small purpose of trying to scoop the indictments. I did warn the DU member last month about getting ahead of secret grand jury proceedings, and got a number of sarcastic replies for my trouble. Too bad. Its not my problem, one way or another. Nobody really has much at stake in scooping the announcements of indictments by two days than the scooper, and hell take the glory or the heat personally, and the real life concerns are unaffected.

In sum, nothing you talked about had anything to do with the article in question.
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  -Lawyers, please weigh in here. Is the fact that Fitz has pnwmom  May-16-06 09:20 AM   #0 
  - The fact that he empaneled a new grand jury  billybob537   May-16-06 09:22 AM   #1 
  - I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night  stop the bleeding   May-16-06 09:23 AM   #2 
  - Might I recomend..... for Fitz info. One of the women ...  Jack from Charlotte   May-16-06 09:25 AM   #3 
  - thanks!  pnwmom   May-16-06 09:27 AM   #4 
  - Fitzgerald was very convincing in his determination to get to the bottom  Peace Patriot   May-16-06 09:41 AM   #5 
  - Thanks for taking the time, PP. I sure hope you're right!  pnwmom   May-16-06 09:48 AM   #6 
  - follow-up question:  npincus   May-16-06 10:16 AM   #11 
  - Fitz might be offering a deal like the following:  Uncle Roy   May-16-06 11:08 AM   #15 
  - Revenge is best served cold  rock   May-16-06 10:40 AM   #13 
  - If Leopold's story is credible, then why did KKKRove's attorney deny it?  WiseButAngrySara   May-16-06 11:21 AM   #17 
  - Fitz doesn't impanel GJs or keep them open  Geoff R. Casavant   May-16-06 09:51 AM   #7 
  - Geoff R. Casavant, I thought it was a NEW Grand Jury. At the end of the  Peace Patriot   May-16-06 10:11 AM   #10 
  - thank you for the info!  pnwmom   May-17-06 11:35 PM   #27 
  - Here's a good rundown on the whole situation from Jason Leopold at  Peace Patriot   May-16-06 10:00 AM   #8 
  - All one can say is, as long as there's a GJ, there's a chance. No more.  Inland   May-16-06 10:03 AM   #9 
  - I don't think the Jason Leopold article that I reffed is 'tea leaves.'  Peace Patriot   May-16-06 10:51 AM   #14 
     - Hear! Hear! (nfm)  Uncle Roy   May-16-06 11:19 AM   #16 
     - Your arguments don't have anything to do with the issue.  Inland   May-16-06 11:25 AM   #18 
     - Perhaps you misunderstood the post. The way I read it is that  pnwmom   May-17-06 11:43 PM   #30 
     - Excellent post; it should have it's own thread, IMHO. ....n/t  WiseButAngrySara   May-16-06 11:28 AM   #19 
     - Yes -- fixing the voting system has to be the top priority.  pnwmom   May-17-06 11:38 PM   #29 
  - Yesterday,  Justice Is Comin   May-16-06 10:23 AM   #12 
  - Fitzgerald says:  cat_girl25   May-16-06 11:32 AM   #20 
  - Surely, however, the people accusing others of "reading tea leaves"  lindisfarne   May-16-06 12:57 PM   #21 
  - Depends what you mean by "this matter".  Inland   May-16-06 02:02 PM   #22 
     - One is informed when various scenarios are laid out and the various  lindisfarne   May-16-06 02:15 PM   #23 
        - Sounds like a legal symposium  Inland   May-17-06 10:56 PM   #26 
  - Fitz is not "keeping it open"  yodermon   May-16-06 03:18 PM   #24 
  - Why would Rove plead out? He's going to be pardoned anyway  Love Bug   May-16-06 03:22 PM   #25 
  - Fitz has not "kept the grand jury open"  Jersey Devil   May-17-06 11:38 PM   #28 
  - Another question: if he decides not to indict Rove, will we  pnwmom   May-17-06 11:50 PM   #31 

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