| 74. You are with us or against us |
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where have I heard that at.
Oh yeah, bush.
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| -Cindy Sheehan is illegal; she has broken the law |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 06:52 PM |
#0 |
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but, you see, |
ulysses |
May-06-06 06:56 PM |
#1 |
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Oh thanks for pointing that out |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:00 PM |
#3 |
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they only keep me around |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:01 PM |
#5 |
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LOL |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:02 PM |
#6 |
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In my experience, people use words like 'illegal'... |
Kutjara |
May-06-06 06:58 PM |
#2 |
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It's a republican technique |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:01 PM |
#4 |
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Then I'm illegal. |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 07:03 PM |
#7 |
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I am going with you |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:04 PM |
#9 |
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I heard that, too. |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 07:25 PM |
#35 |
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I have always liked the Sioux |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:28 PM |
#45 |
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Road trip! |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 07:49 PM |
# |
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No don't |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:54 PM |
#95 |
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You're right. |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 08:21 PM |
#121 |
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ND - yes SD - no |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:24 PM |
#123 |
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So should 7/8ths of me surrender to the other 1/8th? |
Ladyhawk |
May-07-06 02:16 PM |
#169 |
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lucky you! 9/10ths of me would have to leave the country. nt |
Viva_La_Revolution |
May-07-06 04:34 PM |
#190 |
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Fat fingered dupe. |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 07:49 PM |
#87 |
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Lakota Dakota Nakota please, not "souix" |
uppityperson |
May-07-06 04:18 PM |
#189 |
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I have a Mohican friend. Or I know a couple of Cherokee. |
guinivere |
May-06-06 07:40 PM |
#72 |
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Would you mind inquiring about the possibility? |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 07:48 PM |
#85 |
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This would actually be pretty interesting. |
Ladyhawk |
May-07-06 02:18 PM |
#171 |
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I don't know why not. |
evlbstrd |
May-07-06 09:58 PM |
#206 |
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... |
northofdenali |
May-06-06 07:57 PM |
#103 |
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Take me with you! |
treestar |
May-06-06 08:36 PM |
#128 |
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way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory |
pitohui |
May-06-06 07:03 PM |
#8 |
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Cindy is in complete support of the rights of undocumented workers |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:10 PM |
#12 |
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The enemy is both. |
Sterling |
May-07-06 02:08 PM |
#160 |
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Another divisive post. Wonderful. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
May-06-06 07:26 PM |
#39 |
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But the OP, apparently, is not. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-06-06 08:40 PM |
#132 |
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When our ancestors did this labor, the worst they dealt with |
treestar |
May-06-06 08:39 PM |
#130 |
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Yes this thread is based on a rather stupid analogy |
Sterling |
May-07-06 02:07 PM |
#159 |
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OH NO!!! The Mexicans are coming to take my job. |
tjwash |
May-07-06 08:26 PM |
#204 |
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It used to be illegal to help slaves escape to freedom n/t |
NNN0LHI |
May-06-06 07:06 PM |
#10 |
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So was throwing that tea in Boston Harbor |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:11 PM |
#13 |
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And doing business without Stamps - 1765 |
treestar |
May-06-06 08:40 PM |
#133 |
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That's what abortion bombers say too. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:21 PM |
#25 |
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I am very proud of my company at Camp Casey |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:24 PM |
#34 |
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I do support her. Do you support abortion clinic bombers? |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:28 PM |
#43 |
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They are murderers |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:29 PM |
#48 |
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Abortion clinic bombers use the same arguments you do. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:37 PM |
#64 |
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So you are equating abortion clinic murderers with slave hiders? |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:38 PM |
#68 |
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No - they make the equation,, same why you do. You might have a problem |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:41 PM |
#75 |
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You're missing a very big difference - the bomb |
treestar |
May-06-06 08:41 PM |
#134 |
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Undocumented workers HAVE harmed american workers. |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-06-06 08:31 PM |
#126 |
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No they have not |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 10:05 AM |
#151 |
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I'm interested by your choice of words. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-07-06 05:22 PM |
#192 |
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I have never heard the correlation between abortion bombers and... |
NNN0LHI |
May-06-06 07:29 PM |
#47 |
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You must not read the news. Sorry! |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:46 PM |
#81 |
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Don't be sorry |
NNN0LHI |
May-06-06 07:55 PM |
#97 |
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Tch tch. I really am sorry that you didn't know you were using their |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:00 PM |
#107 |
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What you're saying doesn't make sense. |
BuyingThyme |
May-06-06 07:09 PM |
#11 |
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They break the law because they are desperate |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:12 PM |
#14 |
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Nope. You're now using purely disingenuous fallacies, and you |
BuyingThyme |
May-06-06 07:14 PM |
#15 |
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I am not crapping on anyone |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:23 PM |
#30 |
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But you disingenuously used Cindy Sheehan et al to do it. |
BuyingThyme |
May-06-06 07:25 PM |
#36 |
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I am not being the least bit disengenuous |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:31 PM |
#50 |
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It's disingenuous to equivocate unrelated behavior in an effort |
BuyingThyme |
May-06-06 07:34 PM |
#58 |
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Cindy accepted arrest - she didn't break the law and hide out. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:18 PM |
#20 |
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But she is still ILLEGAL |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:23 PM |
#32 |
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She's still illegal WHAT? |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:32 PM |
#53 |
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There will be more arrests in August in Texas |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:37 PM |
#65 |
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If she's doing something illegal and her wherabout are known why |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:40 PM |
#71 |
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I am not a cop so I can't answer that |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:50 PM |
#88 |
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Funny - you said she's illegal. Now you plead ignorance. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:52 PM |
#90 |
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You asked me why she wasn't being arrested |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:55 PM |
#99 |
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LOL!!! Okay - that explains your odd notions of what's illegal. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:59 PM |
#106 |
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illegal aliens would have to accept arrest too, if ICE ever gets |
treestar |
May-06-06 08:43 PM |
#137 |
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Big difference between standing up in public to be arrested and hiding out |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 02:10 PM |
#164 |
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desperate? |
Sterling |
May-07-06 02:12 PM |
#166 |
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you're trying to legislate human nature |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:14 PM |
#16 |
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All laws legislate human nature. -eom- |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:17 PM |
#18 |
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not really. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:18 PM |
#21 |
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Yes, really. Sometimes it's human nature to want to hurt others. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:20 PM |
#23 |
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perhaps we take a different view of human nature. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:21 PM |
#26 |
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If humans do it, it is by definition human nature. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:22 PM |
#28 |
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? |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:23 PM |
#31 |
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Yes, by definition. If humans do it, by definition it is human nature. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:25 PM |
#38 |
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we'll use your definition then. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:27 PM |
#41 |
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I don't share your need to candy coat the truth. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:33 PM |
# |
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I'm not candy coating anything. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:36 PM |
#62 |
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How is immigration law working for us? Poorly. Not because the law is |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:39 PM |
#70 |
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fair point, but I'd go farther. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:42 PM |
#76 |
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I don't need a different way - I do need a government that actually |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:44 PM |
#78 |
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even with that government |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:49 PM |
#86 |
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With a government that cared to enforce the law there would be a response. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:54 PM |
#96 |
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What is wrong with American employers benefitting, exactly? |
treestar |
May-06-06 08:49 PM |
#140 |
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Is that the sound of trickle-down economics I hear? |
Nabeshin |
May-06-06 09:28 PM |
#145 |
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The only thing wrong about it in this case is that they are one of th |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 08:16 AM |
#148 |
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If your company needs illegals to stay in biz just quit now |
Sterling |
May-07-06 02:20 PM |
#173 |
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Tell them to enforce it, it's your government |
treestar |
May-06-06 08:47 PM |
#139 |
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I didn't know I was legislating anything. |
BuyingThyme |
May-06-06 07:17 PM |
#19 |
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you're not. I said you're trying. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:19 PM |
#22 |
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People have always stolen things too. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:20 PM |
#24 |
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indeed they have. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:22 PM |
#29 |
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Because illegal immigration legislation was brought up, of course. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:24 PM |
#33 |
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who brought it up? |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:25 PM |
#37 |
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I don't need to "think" about it - I know * brought it up. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:27 PM |
#40 |
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so...you enjoy playing the games the GOP tells you to play? |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:28 PM |
#44 |
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I didn't start the thread, and I responded AFTER you. If you want to bitch |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:31 PM |
#51 |
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neither proud nor I began the ongoing DU discussion |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:32 PM |
#54 |
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LOL - what a joke. You whine at me because I'm addressing the topic |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:35 PM |
#61 |
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oh, I'm not whining, friend. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:37 PM |
#66 |
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ROFL! So first you say by talking about immigration I'm doing |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:43 PM |
#77 |
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perhaps I've been unclear. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:48 PM |
#83 |
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You've definitely been unclear. Just review your posts in this sub thread |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:51 PM |
#89 |
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what haven't I defended? |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:52 PM |
#93 |
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Oh, you defended several fallacies - just not well, so you had to stop |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:55 PM |
#98 |
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examples, please. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:56 PM |
#101 |
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Human nature fallacy; GOP games fallacy. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:58 PM |
#105 |
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no fallacies - we disagree on human nature. |
ulysses |
May-06-06 08:03 PM |
#111 |
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You seem to be fabricating the parameters of this debate, |
BuyingThyme |
May-06-06 07:21 PM |
#27 |
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Who knew? |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-06-06 08:33 PM |
#127 |
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You are incorrect. If you are in the US illegally, you are an illegal |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:16 PM |
#17 |
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So a convicted felon is not illegal? |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:27 PM |
#42 |
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what I want to know |
ulysses |
May-06-06 07:29 PM |
#46 |
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Let's Google her! |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:48 PM |
#82 |
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It's not the terminology I'd use. I'd say "a felon". |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:30 PM |
#49 |
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She is an illegal ditch sitter (in Texas) |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:34 PM |
#57 |
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I'm not familiar with sitting being illegal. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:38 PM |
#67 |
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Sitting in a ditch is illegal in Crawford, Texas |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:53 PM |
#94 |
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Then you just keep proving you don't know what you're talking about. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:57 PM |
#102 |
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Oh yes indeed it is illegal to sit or stand in a ditch in Crawford, Texas |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:01 PM |
#108 |
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ROFL - cite the law please. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:02 PM |
#110 |
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No you look it up |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:09 PM |
#116 |
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So you state it as fact but I have to look it up? A law that people can't |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:41 PM |
#135 |
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Links are in my OP and in my previous response |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 09:59 AM |
#149 |
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No, you simply won't support your own claims and want others to do the |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 02:12 PM |
#165 |
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And you are being obtuse |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 02:21 PM |
#175 |
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I'm mortified that a teacher can't tell civil disobedience from plain old |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 07:43 PM |
#199 |
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Here are some links, more @ articles @ each link. |
uppityperson |
May-07-06 04:38 PM |
#191 |
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And in none of these is it illegal to stand in a ditch. |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 07:40 PM |
#198 |
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Can sit or stand, so long as you don't park, eat or camp |
uppityperson |
May-07-06 08:01 PM |
#200 |
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"Sit" can mean stay overnight camping now? |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 08:09 PM |
#201 |
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"I sat in the ditch overnight" means I camped, according to the county |
uppityperson |
May-07-06 08:13 PM |
#202 |
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She's only illegal while she is doing those things, |
FlaGranny |
May-07-06 10:23 AM |
#153 |
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What does it mean to be illegal? |
Bleachers7 |
May-06-06 07:33 PM |
#56 |
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No. A convicted felon has engaged in illegal acts. |
cornermouse |
May-06-06 07:34 PM |
#60 |
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No, a convicted felon is not illegal. |
igil |
May-06-06 09:12 PM |
#142 |
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I'll second that. It is a silly analogy by the OP |
0007 |
May-06-06 07:56 PM |
#100 |
| -
This doesn't make sense. |
Bleachers7 |
May-06-06 07:31 PM |
#52 |
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Oh for Christ's sake! |
TahitiNut |
May-06-06 07:32 PM |
#55 |
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Name calling is not the way to solve the immigration dilemna |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:46 PM |
#80 |
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Nor are fallacious analogies. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:48 PM |
#84 |
| -
I agree, TahitiNut.... |
Zookeeper |
May-06-06 09:21 PM |
#144 |
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Rape is illegal |
meisje |
May-06-06 07:34 PM |
#59 |
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If you don't support rape, Cindy Sheehan is an illegal alien. |
BuyingThyme |
May-06-06 07:36 PM |
#63 |
| -
You replied to the wrong post. |
igil |
May-06-06 09:19 PM |
#143 |
| -
I'm sympathetic to their situation... |
Fountain79 |
May-06-06 07:39 PM |
#69 |
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these are two different issues |
BareNakedLiberal |
May-06-06 07:41 PM |
#73 |
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They are willingly breaking the law |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 07:58 PM |
#104 |
| -
No, not ""as is Cindy". Cindy is willing to stand and be accountable. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:01 PM |
#109 |
| -
The undocumented workers are not hiding |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:18 PM |
#120 |
| -
Not hiding? That is thhe biggest BS statement in a BS thread. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:40 PM |
#131 |
| -
You are with us or against us |
Bobbie47 |
May-06-06 07:41 PM |
#74 |
| -
When illegals make themselves known to break the law as Cindy has I'll |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 07:46 PM |
#79 |
| -
Funny, you left off the immigrant part |
Freedom_Aflaim |
May-06-06 07:52 PM |
#91 |
| -
Nice RW talking point there |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:04 PM |
#112 |
| -
You disappoint me tonight. |
cornermouse |
May-06-06 08:09 PM |
#115 |
| -
I am just sick and tired of the dishonesty and name calling |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:16 PM |
#119 |
| -
If you're tired of dishonesty don't pretend illegal aliens are engaging in |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:44 PM |
#138 |
| -
I am not pretending |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 10:00 AM |
#150 |
| -
You certainly are. Illegal immigrants are NOT engaging in civil |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 02:09 PM |
#161 |
| -
They are breaking the law, are they not? |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 02:20 PM |
#174 |
| -
Simply breaking the law is not civil disobedience, and Cindy IS NOT |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 07:35 PM |
#196 |
| -
You indirectly accused the person above me of being a republican |
cornermouse |
May-07-06 01:50 PM |
#158 |
| -
No I didn't; I accused them of spouting a RW talking point |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 02:09 PM |
#163 |
| -
I dont know if criminal immigrants are on medicaid, food stamps, welfare |
Freedom_Aflaim |
May-06-06 08:10 PM |
#117 |
| -
This is a human rights issue |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 10:24 AM |
#154 |
| -
There is no "human right" to cross national borders without permission. |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 02:13 PM |
#167 |
| -
But it is a human right to eat and have shelter |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 02:19 PM |
#172 |
| -
Do Mexicans who didn't cross have food and shelter? |
mondo joe |
May-07-06 07:36 PM |
#197 |
| -
But she is not undocumented |
jbnow |
May-06-06 07:52 PM |
#92 |
| -
"No one is an illegal person" |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:06 PM |
#114 |
| -
But there are persons whose very presence is illegal every moment of |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:42 PM |
#136 |
| -
Eric Rudolph is an illegal. He has broken the law. |
mondo joe |
May-06-06 08:04 PM |
#113 |
| -
May I just add this these thoughts? |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 08:15 PM |
#118 |
| -
I agree |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:27 PM |
#124 |
| -
I thought that was central to my point. |
evlbstrd |
May-06-06 08:57 PM |
#141 |
| -
Blah, blah, blah. |
greyhound1966 |
May-06-06 08:22 PM |
#122 |
| -
Then why reply? |
proud2Blib |
May-06-06 08:28 PM |
#125 |
| -
Just to bring attention to the disingenuous nature of your propagandizing. |
greyhound1966 |
May-07-06 01:38 PM |
#156 |
| -
If respecting fellow human beings as human beings is an "agenda" |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 01:47 PM |
#157 |
| -
The issue has nothing to do with respecting other people, |
greyhound1966 |
May-07-06 02:24 PM |
#176 |
| -
Name calling is not respecting |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 02:32 PM |
#177 |
| -
Name calling? False accusations and then trying to change the issue? |
greyhound1966 |
May-07-06 02:55 PM |
#179 |
| -
Calling them illegals and aliens is name calling |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 03:02 PM |
#180 |
| -
I also understand why they are here, and do not support either Party's |
greyhound1966 |
May-07-06 03:39 PM |
#186 |
| -
That term is offensive to them; I am not just throwing that out |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 03:54 PM |
#187 |
| -
"Of course illegal immigration is not the sole cause of many of these |
greyhound1966 |
May-09-06 10:08 AM |
#207 |
| -
It strains the definition of "silly" to describe illegal workers this way |
lumberjack_jeff |
May-06-06 08:38 PM |
#129 |
| -
Matt Taibbi on Cindy in Crawford |
Gabi Hayes |
May-06-06 09:32 PM |
#146 |
| -
That's a great article - thanks for posting! |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 10:17 AM |
#152 |
| -
She may have broken the law... |
Nabeshin |
May-06-06 09:36 PM |
#147 |
| -
I don't remember saying anything about throwing out immigration laws |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 10:27 AM |
#155 |
| -
Well how about this |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-07-06 02:14 PM |
#168 |
| -
I like your first idea |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 02:18 PM |
#170 |
| -
I'm for the first plan to punish those who cause the problem |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-07-06 02:52 PM |
#178 |
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So the coach died because the kid was here illegally? |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 03:10 PM |
#182 |
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What part of |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-07-06 03:37 PM |
#185 |
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When did I disagree with your plan? |
proud2Blib |
May-07-06 04:03 PM |
#188 |
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You disagree with it every time you refuse to admit |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-07-06 09:07 PM |
#205 |
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I think that penalising the employers |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-07-06 05:45 PM |
#193 |
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What you have described is the present excuse being used to hire |
Kansas Wyatt |
May-07-06 07:08 PM |
#195 |
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George w. bush is an illegal; he has broken the law. |
El Fuego |
May-07-06 02:09 PM |
#162 |
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Illegal immigration is NOT civil disobedience. |
Dr. Jones |
May-07-06 03:08 PM |
#181 |
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Another reason |
El Fuego |
May-07-06 03:22 PM |
#184 |
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Civil Disobedience is not the same as just "breaking a law" |
incapsulated |
May-07-06 03:15 PM |
#183 |
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Illegal aliens are trespassing in this country. Cindy Sheehan is not. |
kestrel91316 |
May-07-06 06:24 PM |
#194 |
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What the hell are you talking about??? |
jerry611 |
May-07-06 08:23 PM |
#203 |
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