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15. cboy
I am an immigrant and I have no objection to my being referred as an 'alien' because that is the legal term for a person who is not a citizen of a particular country. Since I entered the U.S. legally, the correct term would be 'legal alien.' Of course, now I'm a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. (with 'green card'). As an immigration professional, thus, I have no problem with classifying anyone, regardless of nationality or color of their skin, who enters the U.S. unlawfully (which means without inspection by an immigration official at a port of entry) as an 'illegal alien.' There are illegal aliens from Canada, China (brought over in containers), etc., but most, due to geography, are from Latin America.
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  -Illegal Aliens or Undocumented Workers or Other....... cboy4  May-03-06 05:27 PM   #0 
  - I call them cheap labor  juajen   May-03-06 05:30 PM   #1 
  - Just call them-undocumented people  azurnoir   May-03-06 05:56 PM   #2 
  - What about an illegal visitor who isn't working?  Truth Hurts A Lot   May-03-06 06:06 PM   #3 
  - Not a bad point.  cboy4   May-04-06 01:13 AM   #11 
  - I thought about it. "Illegal Immigrant"  cboy4   May-04-06 01:34 PM   #26 
     - So it's the word alien you have a problem with?  Bushy Being Born   May-05-06 03:10 PM   #65 
  - While you're entitled to your opinion...  Llewlladdwr   May-03-06 06:12 PM   #4 
  - "They" probably do dislike the name. But so do I, and I'm a white male  cboy4   May-04-06 12:59 AM   #8 
     - Just out of curiosity...  Llewlladdwr   May-07-06 01:33 AM   #120 
        - It's very right wing fundamentalist christian conservative trait to not  cboy4   May-07-06 01:49 AM   #122 
           - This is just amusing now.  Llewlladdwr   May-07-06 02:04 AM   #123 
              - Just in fairness to me, I did not call you bigoted or racist.  cboy4   May-07-06 02:56 AM   #124 
                 - Fair enough.  Llewlladdwr   May-07-06 03:12 AM   #125 
                 - I hope it is eye opening  Sterling   May-07-06 03:30 PM   #137 
                    - Then attack the fuckers who hire them!  Maestro   May-07-06 08:27 PM   #141 
                    - You ever hear, "You break it, you buy it"?  RagingInMiami   May-07-06 08:48 PM   #144 
                    - This thread started out as having nothing to do with whether I think  cboy4   May-08-06 08:57 AM   #146 
  - My Oxford American dictionary  PsN2Wind   May-03-06 06:31 PM   #5 
  - You are exactly correct..  Jayhawk Lib   May-03-06 06:45 PM   #6 
  - Exactly, fuck compassion. Lets start being like the Republicans!!!  cboy4   May-04-06 01:05 AM   #10 
     - Compassion????  Jayhawk Lib   May-04-06 05:52 AM   #14 
     - MY COUNTRY! We should re-name it United States of Jayhawk Lib  cboy4   May-04-06 12:56 PM   #16 
     - Check the definitions of illegal alien!!!!  Jayhawk Lib   May-04-06 03:02 PM   #30 
        - Do you realize what you just pointed out? The definition you've  cboy4   May-04-06 03:41 PM   #34 
           - Immigrant-alien  Jayhawk Lib   May-04-06 05:10 PM   #45 
              - I see you had to capitalize "alien" as a parting shot  cboy4   May-05-06 02:02 AM   #50 
              - Ummm. I used to live in California...  Zookeeper   May-06-06 04:02 AM   #95 
              - "they have no rights"?  lwfern   May-05-06 11:09 PM   #81 
              - Now I do agree about the alien part,  vogonjiltz   May-06-06 11:27 PM   #108 
              - So, when are you headed to the strawberry fields of California?  High Plains   May-07-06 01:39 PM   #129 
     - Shooting them? You are no liberal.  Beausoir   May-04-06 03:52 PM   #36 
     - Shooting must be the Christian thing to do  cboy4   May-04-06 04:18 PM   #43 
     - You seem to have a real hard-on for Christians.  Llewlladdwr   May-07-06 01:36 AM   #121 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-04-06 05:40 PM   #47 
     - What if they entered 'your house' illegally  Beacho   May-04-06 04:29 PM   #44 
     - I changed my mind...  Jayhawk Lib   May-04-06 05:47 PM   #48 
        - Do you want to see your cost of living increase dramatically?  tyedyeto   May-06-06 11:45 PM   #111 
        - No, you're ignorant and xenophobic  RagingInMiami   May-07-06 12:38 AM   #117 
     - I was going to called it my house but with that deficit .. momma  AlphaCentauri   May-05-06 11:24 PM   #84 
     - Your country is also my country  RagingInMiami   May-07-06 12:26 AM   #116 
     - and, change the name from DU to Free Republic  mitchtv   May-04-06 01:16 PM   #21 
     - What is uncompassionate about using an accurate word?  mondo joe   May-06-06 07:30 AM   #99 
        - So you okay with calling someone who's retarded a "retard?"  cboy4   May-06-06 10:16 PM   #103 
           - "Retard" is in no sense an accurate word. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   May-06-06 11:20 PM   #107 
  - Yea, that's fine, but I feel people who hate illegal immigrants enjoy  cboy4   May-04-06 01:04 AM   #9 
  - Thank you.  kestrel91316   May-05-06 10:57 AM   #61 
  - If we must label, how about "exploited co-conspirator" or...  Up2Late   May-03-06 07:32 PM   #7 
  - No, No. America=Immigrants if you're not from Latin America  cboy4   May-04-06 01:20 AM   #12 
  - "Cruzando el Rio Bravo" by Texas sculptor Luis Jimenez...  Bridget Burke   May-04-06 03:23 PM   #31 
  - I call them both undocumented workers, illegal immigrants, and illegal  fujiyama   May-04-06 01:29 AM   #13 
  - cboy  NYCparalegal   May-04-06 06:13 AM   #15 
  - You're a "lawful, permanent resident" Who's going to call you an  cboy4   May-04-06 01:17 PM   #23 
     - It's easy to do it legal, unless the EEUU  mitchtv   May-04-06 03:54 PM   #37 
     - Oh, I know....tell me about it  cboy4   May-04-06 04:15 PM   #42 
     - What would you call me, follically challenged?  cherokeeprogressive   May-11-06 01:58 AM   #168 
  - Scapegoats  Beacho   May-04-06 01:00 PM   #17 
  - Illegal Immigrants  Roxy66   May-04-06 01:03 PM   #18 
  - I call them Welcome. Kinda like Emma Lazarus did.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-04-06 01:07 PM   #19 
  - This week's "Ask a Mexican" column....  Bridget Burke   May-04-06 03:29 PM   #32 
  - Illegal Immigrants  genieroze   May-04-06 01:10 PM   #20 
  - The results so far are very interesting  Roxy66   May-04-06 01:17 PM   #22 
  - Why didn't you offer "Illegal Immigrants" as a choice?  quantessd   May-04-06 01:18 PM   #24 
  - I like illegal immigrants also, in fact it's probably more applicable  cboy4   May-04-06 01:28 PM   #25 
     - Not trying to start an argument,  quantessd   May-04-06 01:37 PM   #27 
  - nt  Roxy66   May-04-06 01:56 PM   #28 
  - here in San Antonio, they are known as "neighbors"  lady of texas   May-04-06 01:57 PM   #29 
  - The same is true in Houston....  Bridget Burke   May-04-06 03:35 PM   #33 
     - "Border Brothers" is what my Chicano in laws say  mitchtv   May-04-06 03:57 PM   #38 
        - The Houston Press got into all kinds of trouble....  Bridget Burke   May-04-06 04:02 PM   #40 
  - Freepers LOVE calling them "aliens". They think it's clever. Wink-wink.  Beausoir   May-04-06 03:50 PM   #35 
  - Undocumented residents  goodhue   May-04-06 04:01 PM   #39 
  - And not all undocumented residents have committed criminal offense  goodhue   May-04-06 04:10 PM   #41 
  - People with Hope for Better Times  StephenB48   May-04-06 05:16 PM   #46 
  - Bump  Roxy66   May-04-06 07:44 PM   #49 
  - Ilegal workers, Ilegal immigrants or "citizens of another country..  Zookeeper   May-05-06 02:16 AM   #51 
  - 21st Century slaves  donheld   May-05-06 02:47 AM   #52 
  - People who didn't have the fortune  Evoman   May-05-06 02:52 AM   #53 
  - Considering you live in Canada...  Zookeeper   May-06-06 03:41 AM   #91 
  - I call them "Americans"  RagingInMiami   May-05-06 03:24 AM   #54 
  - "Alien" is a legal term.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-05-06 05:58 AM   #56 
  - I find it fascinating that people keep throwing out "it's a legal term"  cboy4   May-05-06 10:02 AM   #58 
  - See post #69.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-05-06 06:21 PM   #70 
     - I read your post. However, it doesn't address my point which is that  cboy4   May-05-06 10:18 PM   #74 
        - Is the term "legal alien" demeaning?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-05-06 10:38 PM   #77 
           - Yes. The word "alien" in my opinion is demeaning. Obviously  cboy4   May-05-06 11:17 PM   #82 
              - But isn't "immigrant" disrespectful to those who came legally?  Starbucks Anarchist   May-05-06 11:23 PM   #83 
                 - Lets for argument's sake say both the words "immigrant" AND  cboy4   May-05-06 11:42 PM   #86 
                    - If you put it THAT way, fair enough.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-05-06 11:54 PM   #87 
                       - Fair enough  cboy4   May-05-06 11:58 PM   #88 
                          - I'm funny that way.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-06-06 12:02 AM   #89 
  - It may be legal but it's offensive  RagingInMiami   May-05-06 10:48 AM   #59 
     - Um, no it's not?  Bushy Being Born   May-05-06 03:13 PM   #66 
     - I don't decide what it's offensive to me?  RagingInMiami   May-05-06 03:55 PM   #67 
     - But it's not only aimed at people here illegally.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-05-06 06:08 PM   #69 
        - I've never heard anybody refer to legal immigrants as aliens  RagingInMiami   May-05-06 06:45 PM   #71 
           - It's based on the assumption legal aliens eventually become naturalized.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-05-06 08:47 PM   #73 
  - Make it fifty-six  lumberjack_jeff   May-06-06 11:33 PM   #109 
     - Undocumented bankingwhat?  cboy4   May-07-06 12:13 AM   #114 
  - I call a spade a spade  Bushy Being Born   May-05-06 03:26 AM   #55 
  - ANGRY man from Tennessee. Nice!  cboy4   May-05-06 09:46 AM   #57 
  - Angry? What ever gave you that impression?  Bushy Being Born   May-05-06 11:53 AM   #63 
  - And I call an asshole an asshole  RagingInMiami   May-05-06 10:51 AM   #60 
     - That's nice to know, but I don't see how your telling me is beneficial to  Bushy Being Born   May-05-06 11:50 AM   #62 
     - You lucky guy.....I just love Miami!!  cboy4   May-05-06 12:27 PM   #64 
        - They also can be logical and rational...  Zookeeper   May-06-06 03:31 AM   #90 
  - If you intend to start a flamebait thread, I'll eat my hat. You ask people  acmavm   May-05-06 04:25 PM   #68 
  - Because there are people like you who don't get it. That's why.  cboy4   May-05-06 10:20 PM   #75 
     - Oh I get it. I understand perfectly. You're one of those people who ask  acmavm   May-05-06 10:37 PM   #76 
        - Why don't you look in the mirror and see who's the one getting  cboy4   May-05-06 11:01 PM   #79 
  - I just call them people.  guinivere   May-05-06 07:16 PM   #72 
  - Undocumented "people' sounds worse than illegal aliens..  Zookeeper   May-06-06 03:49 AM   #94 
  - No, I didn't mean it that way.  guinivere   May-06-06 09:05 AM   #101 
  - Human beings...  tyedyeto   May-06-06 11:47 PM   #112 
  - undocumented immigrants  readmoreoften   May-05-06 10:45 PM   #78 
  - I like your style. Interesting post!  cboy4   May-05-06 11:06 PM   #80 
  - I call them Humans  AlphaCentauri   May-05-06 11:32 PM   #85 
  - You forgot  entanglement   May-06-06 03:43 AM   #92 
  - Yea, I didn't put that down as a choice because I was afraid to  cboy4   May-06-06 03:49 AM   #93 
     - B.S.  Zookeeper   May-06-06 04:16 AM   #96 
        - I think you nailed it.  Starbucks Anarchist   May-06-06 04:26 AM   #97 
        - Are you kidding? There is most certainly some race/orientation card play  cboy4   May-06-06 10:09 PM   #102 
        - Good point.  lumberjack_jeff   May-06-06 11:40 PM   #110 
        - I've read so many posts on this subject and feel many DUers ...  tyedyeto   May-06-06 11:50 PM   #113 
  - I use "illegal immigrants". I find it very descriptive and accurate.  mondo joe   May-06-06 07:29 AM   #98 
  - I have called them illegal immigrants in the past  doc03   May-06-06 08:47 AM   #100 
  - You know, it really is okay to follow your heart concerning issues  cboy4   May-06-06 10:22 PM   #104 
  - Criminal Immigrant  Freedom_Aflaim   May-06-06 10:24 PM   #105 
  - Not Sure I Quite Understand The Problem  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-06-06 10:27 PM   #106 
  - I'm gunna take a wild guess and guess that you're not Hispanic.  cboy4   May-07-06 12:21 AM   #115 
     - Why would you object? What do you think ALIEN means?  mondo joe   May-07-06 01:08 AM   #118 
     - You're going to tell me that you would rather be called an illegal  cboy4   May-07-06 01:32 AM   #119 
        - I won't tell you I'd RATHER be called that - I will tell you I wouldn't  mondo joe   May-07-06 08:11 AM   #126 
           - The word is used ONLY in a negative fashion. Never positively.  cboy4   May-07-06 01:27 PM   #127 
              - Well...boo hoo!  Doctor Venmkan   May-07-06 02:14 PM   #132 
              - You're making generalizations about people  cboy4   May-07-06 02:36 PM   #134 
                 - You're right...  Doctor Venmkan   May-07-06 03:29 PM   #136 
              - Well you're wrong again.  mondo joe   May-07-06 08:05 PM   #139 
                 - I notice you can't stay away from my thread. LOL  cboy4   May-08-06 09:03 AM   #147 
                    - "Conscious"?  mondo joe   May-08-06 09:26 AM   #148 
     - I Really Could Care Less About Your Offense To It.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-07-06 08:44 PM   #143 
        - Wow, straight out of the Republican National Committee's prejudice  cboy4   May-08-06 08:48 AM   #145 
           - Do You Even Read The Replies, Or Consider The Points They're Trying To  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-08-06 04:05 PM   #156 
              - Why is to so hard for you to understand my point?  cboy4   May-08-06 04:43 PM   #157 
                 - "Yes, illegal alien is the correct term to describe these people if you  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-08-06 04:59 PM   #158 
                    - Alright, you pulled a quote that you wanted to see. That's sort of  cboy4   May-08-06 05:17 PM   #160 
                    - "I took the time to analyze your point and concede that alien  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-09-06 03:55 PM   #163 
                    - Thanks for not answering my question. Didn't think you would.  cboy4   May-09-06 01:15 PM   #161 
  - I call them home crashers lured by criminal abusive employers.  KAT119   May-07-06 01:37 PM   #128 
  - Illegal aliens is accurate and words have meaning,  greyhound1966   May-07-06 01:42 PM   #130 
  - They also hurt people when not used sensibly and  cboy4   May-07-06 01:46 PM   #131 
  - Irrelevant. If I chose to be offended by the label "middle aged white man"  greyhound1966   May-07-06 02:28 PM   #133 
  - Yea, middle aged white man is so offensive versus  cboy4   May-07-06 03:17 PM   #135 
     - By choosing to be insulted, you choose to surrender your power. n/t  greyhound1966   May-07-06 03:43 PM   #138 
  - Used to describe illegal aliens it is quite sensible.  mondo joe   May-07-06 08:07 PM   #140 
  - "Words have meaning"....  Bridget Burke   May-08-06 01:55 PM   #152 
  - Undocumented and see  Maestro   May-07-06 08:28 PM   #142 
  - The Freetard "obsession" with using "illegal aliens,"  Ron Mexico   May-08-06 10:16 AM   #149 
  - Tell me about these "recent allegation(s)" that saying illegal aliens  cboy4   May-08-06 01:51 PM   #150 
  - Here's a link...  Ron Mexico   May-08-06 03:29 PM   #155 
     - I'm supposed to believe anything a Dodger fan says?  cboy4   May-08-06 05:00 PM   #159 
  - Not "illegal aliens"--the correct phrase is "ILLEGAL aliens"  Bridget Burke   May-08-06 01:53 PM   #151 
     - Now that was funny!  cboy4   May-08-06 01:56 PM   #153 
     - Christ, you're right.  Ron Mexico   May-08-06 03:25 PM   #154 
  - Can someone unfreep my poll??  cboy4   May-09-06 01:17 PM   #162 
  - Sorry jack, no "freepers" here....  Doctor Venmkan   May-10-06 06:39 PM   #164 
     - That is very much debatable.  laheina   May-11-06 12:42 AM   #165 
     - welcome to du, Doctor Venmkan...  bridgit   May-11-06 12:59 AM   #167 
  - I call them 'human beings'  proud2Blib   May-11-06 12:52 AM   #166 
     - exploited human beings ....  LeftofU   May-11-06 02:15 AM   #169 
        - yes, thank you for that addition  proud2Blib   May-11-06 09:25 AM   #170 
 

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