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118. I've never heard anyone say that.
Worst president of the US, indubitably.

Shares qualities of some of the world's worst leaders: yes.

The constitution and the democratic system in general has so far kept our country from experiencing the worst kind of dictator -- so far, anyway --
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  -You Are Blinded By Hate cali  Apr-25-06 09:29 AM   #0 
  - while this may be true....  lionesspriyanka   Apr-25-06 09:31 AM   #1 
  - Lets keep it in perspective and about America  OhioBlues   Apr-25-06 09:32 AM   #2 
  - He's arguably the worst  cali   Apr-25-06 09:37 AM   #14 
     - hmmm... didn't a recent poll of historians say that 80% thought he was  orangepeel68   Apr-25-06 10:24 AM   #51 
     - It was in Rolling Stone, here's the link:  da_chimperor   Apr-25-06 10:36 AM   #58 
     - 80% said he was a failure. Around 20% said he was the worst.  Zynx   Apr-25-06 06:46 PM   #164 
     - I have a degree in history and I've never heard of a "slush period."  tabasco   Apr-25-06 11:05 AM   #74 
        - Buchanan was just a tad better than junior.  0007   Apr-25-06 12:38 PM   #101 
           - He did worse than doing nothing.  Zynx   Apr-25-06 06:48 PM   #166 
  - I seriously doubt anyone here honestly believes he is the worst ever.  Skinner   Apr-25-06 09:33 AM   #3 
  - I think this is an extension of this thread:  yibbehobba   Apr-25-06 09:35 AM   #7 
  - I'm not surprised that some people here do say that.  Skinner   Apr-25-06 09:41 AM   #23 
     - Sadly, I think you are deluding yourself in regards  cali   Apr-25-06 09:45 AM   #29 
     - So what is your point?  Bandit   Apr-25-06 10:33 AM   #56 
     - My point is perfectly clear.  cali   Apr-25-06 10:39 AM   #59 
        - Please consider your audience of readers.  quantessd   Apr-25-06 12:00 PM   #94 
        - Hey, It isn't over yet.  lumpy   Apr-25-06 04:34 PM   #142 
     - There are 3 people out of 37....Three. Out of a possible 60,000 give  MrsGrumpy   Apr-25-06 11:59 AM   #93 
     - I'm an angry liberal.  sheelz   Apr-25-06 04:34 PM   #141 
     - THEY hated Clinton for his BJ  serryjw   Apr-25-06 06:35 PM   #159 
     - Absurd?  yibbehobba   Apr-25-06 09:48 AM   #31 
     - Kinda like that.  Skinner   Apr-25-06 09:49 AM   #32 
     - Actually was looking more for a historical perspective  Horse with no Name   Apr-25-06 10:55 AM   #67 
     - Wow-- then folks oughta see this!  Malikshah   Apr-25-06 11:57 AM   #92 
     - Maybe they believe it, but...  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-06 03:12 PM   #109 
     - Some people can see the potential of others.  Rex   Apr-25-06 06:46 PM   #165 
  - Perhaps you missed this thread:  cali   Apr-25-06 09:39 AM   #20 
  - Perhaps you're not supposed to start threads  buddyhollysghost   Apr-25-06 03:33 PM   #114 
     - Uh, no.  cali   Apr-25-06 03:54 PM   #123 
        - So you start a thread passing judgment on people  Lolivia   Apr-25-06 04:05 PM   #128 
           - Wrong.  cali   Apr-25-06 04:17 PM   #135 
              - I'm not judging  Lolivia   Apr-25-06 04:26 PM   #139 
              - But look at it this way...  Yollam   Apr-25-06 09:44 PM   #188 
  - Worst President Ever? Yes....  stepnw1f   Apr-25-06 09:41 AM   #22 
     - There's little doubt about that.  BurtWorm   Apr-25-06 10:59 AM   #71 
        - Yeah...  stepnw1f   Apr-25-06 11:05 AM   #73 
  - He is the second worst president of the USA  mdmc   Apr-25-06 09:34 AM   #4 
  - I'm not so sure about that.  yibbehobba   Apr-25-06 09:36 AM   #11 
  - I guess that we can respectfully disagree  mdmc   Apr-25-06 09:41 AM   #24 
  - He's worse than Reagan on all counts  silverojo   Apr-25-06 10:22 AM   #48 
     - I agree. And at least he could form a coherent sentence and not  ThruTheLookingGlass   Apr-25-06 11:21 AM   #79 
  - Naaah...  stevietheman   Apr-25-06 11:56 AM   #90 
  - I would love to have Reagan over Bush anyday.  Yollam   Apr-25-06 06:30 PM   #158 
  - What straw man says Bush is the worst/most criminal leader?  lectrobyte   Apr-25-06 09:34 AM   #5 
  - Link:  NYCGirl   Apr-25-06 09:40 AM   #21 
     - Seems like "Hitler" won that thread as worst ever.  lectrobyte   Apr-25-06 10:56 AM   #69 
  - He's ruining the greatest country in the world...  Cassandra   Apr-25-06 09:35 AM   #6 
  - I don't do "rating the tyrants." You are right, there were worse...  wake.up.america   Apr-25-06 09:35 AM   #8 
  - I doubt that any one seriously thinks bush** is the worst  acmavm   Apr-25-06 09:36 AM   #9 
  - If he starts WW3 he'll be right up there with the greats of infamy  Carni   Apr-25-06 10:03 AM   #41 
  - hitler wasn't hitler in 1940  sweetheart   Apr-25-06 04:15 PM   #133 
     - Please read some history  cali   Apr-25-06 04:27 PM   #140 
        - Clearly you were not there  sweetheart   Apr-25-06 04:48 PM   #146 
  - yabut  ptolle   Apr-25-06 10:46 AM   #63 
  - I haven't read any post that said he is the worst in the world.  Connie_Corleone   Apr-25-06 09:36 AM   #10 
  - Here's the post to which the OP refers (from yesterday):  NYCGirl   Apr-25-06 09:39 AM   #19 
  - He's the worst in my lifetime and yes,  babylonsister   Apr-25-06 09:36 AM   #12 
  - He is not for the American people as a whole. He plays favorites  Lastlaughin08   Apr-25-06 09:46 AM   #30 
  - Chimpy The Idiot may be the worst/most criminal leader RIGHT NOW.  PerceptionManagement   Apr-25-06 09:37 AM   #13 
  - Let me get this straight.  yibbehobba   Apr-25-06 09:39 AM   #17 
     - Here's My Point  novalib   Apr-25-06 09:50 AM   #33 
  - Worst US pres-yes  flobee1   Apr-25-06 09:38 AM   #15 
  - But he presides over our government, and we are the government.  Old Crusoe   Apr-25-06 09:39 AM   #16 
  - Reading "Mao"...  madame defarge   Apr-25-06 09:39 AM   #18 
  - Right Now at This Moment He's Up There  stepnw1f   Apr-25-06 09:42 AM   #25 
  - How about among those with nuclear weapons  TahitiNut   Apr-25-06 09:42 AM   #26 
  - People don't like thinking about that too much  NNN0LHI   Apr-25-06 09:55 AM   #37 
  - Thank you for that.  Sugar Smack   Apr-25-06 10:24 AM   #50 
  - The scary part is  lpbk2713   Apr-25-06 10:52 AM   #66 
  - potential is the key  bigtree   Apr-25-06 09:42 AM   #27 
  - In the history of the world, no. But certainly the worst America has had.  Lastlaughin08   Apr-25-06 09:44 AM   #28 
  - Whether its Al capone or two bit hood that shoots you, you're still dead.  Lerkfish   Apr-25-06 09:51 AM   #34 
  - He IS the worst president ever.  HughBeaumont   Apr-25-06 09:54 AM   #35 
  - Thanks for that.  obnoxiousdrunk   Apr-25-06 09:55 AM   #36 
  - Personally I'm blinded by Hot sauce  bryant69   Apr-25-06 09:57 AM   #38 
  - NO, We simply RECOGNIZE HIS POTENTIAL TO BE #1!  Dora   Apr-25-06 09:58 AM   #39 
  - Sounds like you may be blinded by minimization.  lonestarnot   Apr-25-06 09:59 AM   #40 
  - The point is that those people WERE dictators!  mandyky   Apr-25-06 10:04 AM   #42 
  - I don't think anyone seriously believes Bush compares to Hitler, Stalin  Neil Lisst   Apr-25-06 10:07 AM   #43 
  - Agreed "in this century" truly one of the worst so far  IChing   Apr-25-06 10:20 AM   #46 
     - I don't have a problem comparing Bush to them, but he's a piker by their  Neil Lisst   Apr-25-06 01:27 PM   #108 
  - Will you still think he's minor-league after he has nuked Iran and  kestrel91316   Apr-25-06 10:12 AM   #44 
  - Of course not. Go back to my OP and read  cali   Apr-25-06 10:17 AM   #45 
     - I'm not so sure he hasn't already....  DemExpat   Apr-25-06 12:18 PM   #100 
  - He's the worst President.  Protagoras   Apr-25-06 10:21 AM   #47 
  - The most powerful military in history?  NoPasaran   Apr-25-06 04:08 PM   #131 
     - The ability to kill people does not guarantee  Protagoras   Apr-25-06 09:15 PM   #183 
  - You are blinded by straw-man arguments  warrens   Apr-25-06 10:22 AM   #49 
  - Oh for pete's sake. check the link in post #20  cali   Apr-25-06 10:26 AM   #52 
  - On balance, I have concluded he's the worst American president in history  American Tragedy   Apr-25-06 10:28 AM   #53 
  - You post too soon  Radio_Guy   Apr-25-06 10:28 AM   #54 
  - What Radio_Guy said...  Junkdrawer   Apr-25-06 10:30 AM   #55 
  - Facts are a pesky thing.  cali   Apr-25-06 10:56 AM   #68 
  - You are entitled to your opinion...  Xenotime   Apr-25-06 10:34 AM   #57 
  - Can you elaborate on what your opinion is?  brentspeak   Apr-25-06 01:20 PM   #106 
  - Body counts may be one criteria, but there are others, more subtle,  The Stranger   Apr-25-06 10:39 AM   #60 
  - I didn't just use body counts  cali   Apr-25-06 10:51 AM   #65 
  - 48 million may pale in comparison to what the Earth will do.  The Stranger   Apr-25-06 11:29 AM   #81 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-06 01:24 PM   #107 
  - I know you can't call out people on this forum, but there  izzybeans   Apr-25-06 10:40 AM   #61 
  - He is the first president  FlaGranny   Apr-25-06 10:42 AM   #62 
  - Well JFK came pretty damn close to starting WW3 in 1962  NoPasaran   Apr-25-06 04:15 PM   #132 
     - That's true -  FlaGranny   Apr-25-06 04:45 PM   #145 
  - Strawman.  SeveneightyWhoa   Apr-25-06 10:50 AM   #64 
  - Yes and the link  cali   Apr-25-06 11:04 AM   #72 
     - Such people are insane.  SeveneightyWhoa   Apr-25-06 11:09 AM   #76 
  - he isnt the worst president either  frankenforpres   Apr-25-06 10:58 AM   #70 
  - Well, he's the worst in my lifetime  Norquist Nemesis   Apr-25-06 11:05 AM   #75 
  - Your right, I guess we should just wait until he actually does  leeroysphits   Apr-25-06 11:18 AM   #77 
  - I'm afraid Bush isn't through, yet, Cali.  Joe Fields   Apr-25-06 11:18 AM   #78 
  - He belongs in the top 5. As US Pres, he's the most powerful man on earth  mtnsnake   Apr-25-06 11:25 AM   #80 
  - Thanks for refocusing us on the facts.  flashdebadge   Apr-25-06 11:30 AM   #82 
  - At what time were they good or OK?  mmonk   Apr-25-06 11:32 AM   #83 
  - So why is Saddam worse than Bush?  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-25-06 11:45 AM   #84 
  - Bush also shredded the Iraqi Constitution--  sheelz   Apr-25-06 04:06 PM   #130 
  - Hitler and Stalin are dead. Saddam is and was contained.  porphyrian   Apr-25-06 11:50 AM   #85 
  - who is "you"?  quantessd   Apr-25-06 11:50 AM   #86 
  - He's not the worst leader ever... just the worst U.S. President ever...  stevietheman   Apr-25-06 11:52 AM   #87 
  - How is that relevant to the present?  texastoast   Apr-25-06 11:53 AM   #88 
  - There are a lot of "you's" here cali...I think you mean "some".  MrsGrumpy   Apr-25-06 11:53 AM   #89 
  - Who are you talking to?  sparosnare   Apr-25-06 11:57 AM   #91 
  - The 3...yes three, people who chose him in another thread.  MrsGrumpy   Apr-25-06 12:04 PM   #95 
     - Ahhh.......thanks.  sparosnare   Apr-25-06 12:08 PM   #98 
  - "Never forget."  jokerman93   Apr-25-06 12:05 PM   #96 
  - WOW. You are GOOD!  Sugar Smack   Apr-25-06 12:17 PM   #99 
  - Truly wonderful reply  Lolivia   Apr-25-06 01:10 PM   #104 
  - Well, keep in mind that it took a lot of the really bad ones several years  ComerPerro   Apr-25-06 12:07 PM   #97 
  - You are awash in hubris  Lolivia   Apr-25-06 12:55 PM   #102 
  - heh. oh the irony  cali   Apr-25-06 03:23 PM   #111 
     - And yet  Lolivia   Apr-25-06 03:39 PM   #117 
  - i think the term is  subutane   Apr-25-06 12:57 PM   #103 
  - Worst president of all time? Without a doubt. As bad as Hitler/Stalin?  brentspeak   Apr-25-06 01:17 PM   #105 
  - You're right  DS1   Apr-25-06 03:14 PM   #110 
  - The OP is blinded by lame ass strawmen  Beacho   Apr-25-06 03:26 PM   #112 
  - Facts are facts. Don't like them?  cali   Apr-25-06 03:46 PM   #119 
  - Well, I guess you know all of us then?  buddyhollysghost   Apr-25-06 03:30 PM   #113 
  - Take offense easily or what?  cali   Apr-25-06 03:50 PM   #120 
  - So I should like him because he's better than Hitler?  TheFarseer   Apr-25-06 03:35 PM   #115 
  - I called him a loathsome criminal in my OP  cali   Apr-25-06 04:02 PM   #125 
     - What was it about? The opinion of 3 people???  MrsGrumpy   Apr-25-06 06:18 PM   #156 
  - You shouldn't take this board so seriously.  cat_girl25   Apr-25-06 03:37 PM   #116 
  - I've never heard anyone say that.  SmokingJacket   Apr-25-06 03:45 PM   #118 
  - I do think he's the worst modern US President and perhaps the  WI_DEM   Apr-25-06 03:51 PM   #121 
  - We need to look at what the US is responsible for...  sheelz   Apr-25-06 03:51 PM   #122 
  - Enjoying your strawman?  Marr   Apr-25-06 03:59 PM   #124 
  - Check this out:  NYCGirl   Apr-25-06 04:04 PM   #126 
  - I don't know why I'm bothering  cali   Apr-25-06 04:05 PM   #129 
     - I don't know why you're bothering either.  Marr   Apr-25-06 04:21 PM   #137 
  - He has potential to be world's worst, certainly  Terran1212   Apr-25-06 04:04 PM   #127 
  - Over 34,000 innocent Iraqis have died because Bu*h lied us into  Zorra   Apr-25-06 04:17 PM   #134 
  - Bush controls more money and power than all those others combined  Ksec   Apr-25-06 04:19 PM   #136 
  - the messenger of decline  sweetheart   Apr-25-06 04:24 PM   #138 
  - In his own way, Bush is just as bad as Hitler or Stalin.  JackDragna   Apr-25-06 04:39 PM   #143 
  - Stupid vanity thread.  lumpy   Apr-25-06 04:44 PM   #144 
  - I think the key to your argument  huskerlaw   Apr-25-06 04:50 PM   #147 
  - Whether or not he's the worst in history is irrelevant. He's  Faux pas   Apr-25-06 04:56 PM   #148 
  - So? He sucks. Worst president ever.  HeeBGBz   Apr-25-06 05:04 PM   #149 
  - I'm sure there were people in Germany, before Hitler reached his full  Catrina   Apr-25-06 05:24 PM   #150 
  - Excellent post.  Horse with no Name   Apr-25-06 05:39 PM   #152 
  - The number of Iraqi dead has to be well over 100,000....  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-25-06 05:26 PM   #151 
  - He's in the top five of the worst in my lifetime, so I guess  Clark2008   Apr-25-06 05:41 PM   #153 
  - You forgot about the Armenian massacre  Mr_Spock   Apr-25-06 05:42 PM   #154 
  - Here's a good list of 20th century villains:  Zynx   Apr-25-06 06:45 PM   #163 
  - I Agree With You Comnpletely. BUT, I Think He's The Most Incompetent Boob  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-25-06 05:42 PM   #155 
  - Idi Amin killed 350,000 of his own people and an unkown number of others  Zynx   Apr-25-06 06:49 PM   #167 
  - LOL, OMB  cali   Apr-25-06 07:09 PM   #172 
  - You are blinded by statistics.  Yollam   Apr-25-06 06:27 PM   #157 
  - Well said  JeffR   Apr-25-06 06:38 PM   #161 
  - He isn't even the worst offender we've had in that job.  Zynx   Apr-25-06 06:38 PM   #162 
  - Johnson, maybe.  Yollam   Apr-25-06 06:51 PM   #168 
     - Reagan was more insidious and sneaky about it, but did at least as  Zynx   Apr-25-06 06:53 PM   #170 
  - "The fact the Bush's body count is smaller than Hitler's and Pol Pot's"  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-25-06 07:29 PM   #174 
     - No, it doesn't.  Yollam   Apr-25-06 07:44 PM   #176 
        - I'm Not Saying It's Not Attrocious And Devastating. But Numbers Do Matter  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-25-06 08:05 PM   #179 
           - My point is that making it about numbers and stats...  Yollam   Apr-25-06 09:03 PM   #181 
              - Thanks For The Clarity. But In That Case I Think That Was Unfair To The OP  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-25-06 09:10 PM   #182 
                 - But that's exactly what it does.  Yollam   Apr-25-06 09:22 PM   #184 
                    - I Think You Must've Been Reading A Completely Different OP Than This One  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-25-06 09:25 PM   #185 
                       - The OP is saying that Bush is not "The Worst in the History of the World"  Yollam   Apr-25-06 09:33 PM   #186 
                          - So You Agree With The OP Then. Good. We're Done Then LOL  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-25-06 09:43 PM   #187 
                             - Good night, but I do not agree.  Yollam   Apr-25-06 09:49 PM   #189 
                                - Twisting The OP's Words Again. Can You Show Me, Please, Where The OP  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-25-06 09:54 PM   #190 
                                   - (sigh)  Yollam   Apr-25-06 09:59 PM   #191 
  - He doesn't even rank in the top 100 villains in world history.  Zynx   Apr-25-06 06:37 PM   #160 
  - and if he uses nukes on Iran ? then would you agree that he  Ragazz68   Apr-25-06 06:52 PM   #169 
  - * and his buddies have the capacity to destroy the world in mere minutes.  KrazyKat   Apr-25-06 07:02 PM   #171 
  - No  Jim Warren   Apr-25-06 07:10 PM   #173 
  - So what. The fact of the matter is that Bush is not only horrible, he is  Thtwudbeme   Apr-25-06 07:32 PM   #175 
  - Bush is On His Way...  tlsmith1963   Apr-25-06 07:46 PM   #177 
  - Sure he's not that bad  OnionPatch   Apr-25-06 07:55 PM   #178 
  - Well said.  Yollam   Apr-25-06 10:08 PM   #193 
  - My tyrant can beat up your tyrant.  countingbluecars   Apr-25-06 08:10 PM   #180 
  - Change your name perhaps...to controversial cali?  linazelle   Apr-25-06 10:00 PM   #192 
  - whoever said bush was the very worst ever in the history of world?  seabeyond   Apr-25-06 10:13 PM   #194 
  - Well, I'll bet that's what they said to people who hated Hitler ...  gulliver   Apr-25-06 10:30 PM   #195 
  - Can we agree that he's the "naughtiest" leader in history then?  Bucky   Apr-25-06 10:38 PM   #196 
  - Last I checked, it's not over yet...  zulchzulu   Apr-25-06 10:40 PM   #197 
 

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