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The religious nutballs on the extreme right have kept us rational lefties so busy that we've neglected an important although onerous duty -- cleaning the atheist whackjobs out of our own attic, the extreme left. (Of course, extremisms of the religious or atheistic nature are only a small part of the sum total of extremism. Every form of thought has its own whackjobs of varying stripes.)

Why face off with the atheist whackjobs? Because extremism is extremism is extremism. No rational movement dedicated to intellectual courage and honesty should maintain a relationship with those for whom intellectual laziness, dishonesty, and cowardice are a way of life. Doing what must be done to insure the integrity of the left will require identifying our extremists, countering their mythologies, and acknowledging the dangers they pose to a truly liberal society.

First, what is an atheist whackjob? The term secular for the purposes of this article will refer to those who disbelieve all religious and spiritual claims, not to those who merely support a separation of church and state. Although all secular (by this definition) extremists are atheists, not all atheists are atheist extremists.

The whackjob is a special sort of atheist, one so absolutely certain of the inerrancy of atheism and so virulently opposed to religion that he will latch on to any and all outrageous claims in defense of the former and against the latter. He will meet any criticism of atheism or positive representation of religion as a horrible attack on his way of life or as support for religious extremism and oppression. Just as the religious extremist holds that his belief in a supreme being alone makes him morally and spiritually superior, the atheist extremist holds that his belief that no such being exists and virulent opposition to the reverse make him intellectually and ethically superior. Finally, he will ignore any and all reason or evidence that refutes his claims.
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  Raw Story Columnist Attacks Atheists and Secularists Synnical  Apr-23-06 10:46 PM   #0 
   People are entitled to their opinions, last I heard?  benburch   Apr-23-06 10:49 PM   #1 
   ... and if their opinions are bigoted nonsense, we may call them on it,  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 08:15 AM   #111 
   AAAGH! Back! I shall wave this crucifix which has proven so  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:22 AM   #114 
   Lol!  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 08:38 AM   #120 
   The original title of this piece...  benburch   Apr-24-06 08:28 AM   #116 
   What was it?  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:33 AM   #118 
      "Raw Story Columnist HATES Atheists and Secularists" nt  benburch   Apr-24-06 08:48 AM   #125 
         I understand.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:49 AM   #126 
         Well, it is obvious that she does. nt.  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 12:08 PM   #191 
   We don't call many on DU who spout bigoted nonsense  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 12:40 PM   #203 
   What a crock of shit.  Zhade   Apr-27-06 06:53 PM   #391 
   How is it not bigoted to attack Christians in a similar fashion.  Zynx   Apr-24-06 02:29 PM   #255 
      It would be. We aren't.Simple. (Not in the context on this discussion  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:04 PM   #353 
   Question  Harvey Korman   Apr-24-06 08:33 PM   #348 
   nah  lostexpectation   Apr-23-06 10:50 PM   #2 
   I guess you didn't get the "extremism" memo.  Clark2008   Apr-24-06 02:22 AM   #65 
   For those who have come in late  salvorhardin   Apr-23-06 10:52 PM   #3 
   True dat - and let's not forget the whole article is a straw man argument  Cronus Protagonist   Apr-24-06 06:38 PM   #329 
      Good point!  Vinnie From Indy   Apr-27-06 03:09 PM   #389 
         It's not just silly, it's seethingly dishonest.  Zhade   Apr-27-06 06:56 PM   #392 
   I thought the "atheist problem" was a myth.  mmonk   Apr-23-06 10:54 PM   #4 
   How Cute! The Thread Headline You've Chosen...  TygrBrightDU Moderator   Apr-23-06 10:54 PM   #5 
   I think she attacked extremists ~  Catrina   Apr-23-06 10:59 PM   #7 
   She did attack extremist athiests. And they are just as intolerant  cryingshame   Apr-23-06 11:04 PM   #12 
   yet I hold true many of the things she calls extreme?  lostexpectation   Apr-23-06 11:27 PM   #24 
   Name One?  Synnical   Apr-23-06 11:36 PM   #28 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-06 10:07 AM   #142 
   Like RFITQC IT DOES. IT MEANS NOTHING OF THE SORT.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:18 AM   #149 
   You are making shit up cryingshame.  400Years   Apr-24-06 11:25 AM   #186 
   Uh, yeah, that's what CS does.  Zhade   Apr-27-06 06:58 PM   #393 
   Ah, the old "atheists don't believe in 'spirit' therefore they're fascist  RandomKoolzip   Apr-24-06 12:35 PM   #199 
   Selsun Blue? DIE, HERETIC!  asthmaticeog   Apr-24-06 01:24 PM   #226 
   The flossing twice a day strikes me as a tad extreme, actually.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 03:23 PM   #267 
   RandomKoolZip  motocicleta   Apr-29-06 08:42 PM   #403 
   Oh, sure. One can't be a good human being without being religious?  Kellanved   Apr-24-06 01:02 PM   #214 
   Amen!  Duppers   Apr-24-06 04:38 PM   #297 
   Actually, some of the best people I know never set foot in a church  Hobarticus   Apr-24-06 06:03 PM   #319 
   What a load that is.  asthmaticeog   Apr-24-06 01:21 PM   #222 
   So the Crusades weren't fought over whose version  RandomKoolzip   Apr-24-06 01:31 PM   #229 
      I thought they were fought over haircuts. nt  asthmaticeog   Apr-24-06 02:28 PM   #252 
   Thank you for admittig your b--- er, opinions so candidly.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-24-06 03:03 PM   #262 
   Oh, That's Nice... Real Nice, Cryingshame.  arwalden   Apr-24-06 03:13 PM   #263 
   You new sig line is a riot. Shame I can't tell why. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-24-06 04:16 PM   #278 
   Thanks for letting me know who freaked everybody out.  JanMichael   Apr-24-06 07:59 PM   #343 
   Oh, get a life - empire building has always been driven by religion  HEyHEY   Apr-24-06 04:17 PM   #281 
   Hahaha STOP IT! I almost spat my tea on the monitor  Cronus Protagonist   Apr-24-06 06:40 PM   #330 
   According to her, an "extremist whackjob" is anyone who dares assert  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 03:34 AM   #72 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-06 10:11 AM   #145 
      Abundant evidence huh? point me to some. Then point out how the  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:23 AM   #151 
      Why do you insist on making up bullshit?  400Years   Apr-24-06 11:26 AM   #189 
      Prove that 'Spirit' exists  _testify_   Apr-24-06 12:37 PM   #200 
      I'm killing the planet because I don't believe in god?!  RandomKoolzip   Apr-24-06 12:38 PM   #202 
      Maybe you need to declare a fatwa and purge the world of  Marr   Apr-24-06 12:59 PM   #212 
      She's not talking about "consciousness", she's talking about "god".  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 02:21 PM   #249 
      There should only be a test if that poster takes it first.  Zhade   Apr-27-06 07:26 PM   #395 
      Nothing extreme about what *you're* saying, though.  asthmaticeog   Apr-24-06 02:29 PM   #254 
      Sorry 'bout all the cancer  dolo amber   Apr-24-06 02:50 PM   #258 
         .  asthmaticeog   Apr-24-06 02:55 PM   #260 
      Outdated worldview?  girl gone mad   Apr-24-06 03:42 PM   #273 
   She called me a whackjob..  girl gone mad   Apr-24-06 04:45 AM   #78 
   If thats what you really believe  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 12:49 PM   #207 
      Wrong, because  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 03:26 PM   #268 
         Er, I find that confusing.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 04:16 PM   #279 
            It is crystal clear that she is saying  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 04:20 PM   #283 
               You need to read the whole.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 04:22 PM   #285 
                  That  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 04:25 PM   #288 
                  YOU'RE missing the point!  Duppers   Apr-24-06 04:56 PM   #302 
                     Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-06 05:21 PM   #309 
                     you're so sweet!  Duppers   Apr-24-06 06:32 PM   #327 
                        Do YOU even know what you're talking about?  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 06:58 PM   #332 
                     Welcome to D.U.!  Strong Atheist   Apr-25-06 07:16 AM   #371 
   Here's who she REALLY attacked  JNelson6563   Apr-24-06 07:52 AM   #101 
   I did not know I was a whack-job.  Blue State Native   Apr-24-06 09:28 AM   #132 
   Actually, to not believe that Consiousness exists and plays a formative  cryingshame   Apr-24-06 10:03 AM   #141 
   as an atheist yourself,  Bill McBlueState   Apr-24-06 10:08 AM   #143 
   Nope. Missed by a mile, mate. (Don't you adore alliteration)  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:10 AM   #144 
   Nonsense  JNelson6563   Apr-24-06 10:28 AM   #159 
   What?! I believe humans are machines?!  RandomKoolzip   Apr-24-06 12:40 PM   #204 
   So if you don't believe in "God" (the DEFINITION of atheism)  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 03:22 PM   #266 
   Might want to brush up on your reading comperehension a little...  primate1   Apr-24-06 01:05 PM   #215 
      Judging by the number of people who feel..  girl gone mad   Apr-24-06 03:29 PM   #271 
      Ah yes, the critic must be an idiot  JNelson6563   Apr-24-06 05:49 PM   #314 
         I never called the critic an idiot.  primate1   Apr-24-06 06:19 PM   #324 
   Do you have any examples?  Vinnie From Indy   Apr-27-06 03:11 PM   #390 
   Show me one nt  CAcyclist   Apr-27-06 07:16 PM   #394 
   Everyone's an extremist  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-23-06 11:05 PM   #13 
   I tried to reply to your comment  Synnical   Apr-24-06 12:06 AM   #38 
   She could have provided at least one name of the (supposedly) terrible  Eric J in MN   Apr-23-06 10:57 PM   #6 
   It's just like the phrase "Some say"  nolabels   Apr-24-06 07:01 AM   #94 
   That's all pretty stupid.  Hissyspit   Apr-23-06 10:59 PM   #8 
   Exactly  Synnical   Apr-23-06 11:03 PM   #10 
   So can all non-religious and spiritual claims  Clark2008   Apr-24-06 02:26 AM   #66 
   The atheist doesn't need to prove god does not exist  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Apr-24-06 03:32 AM   #71 
      "Burden of proof"???  nathan hale   Apr-24-06 05:02 AM   #81 
      For your belief, perhaps, but when arguing that others beliefs are invalid  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 05:13 AM   #84 
      It depends  JNelson6563   Apr-24-06 09:59 AM   #140 
      I quite agree.  nathan hale   Apr-24-06 06:20 PM   #325 
      When we talk about things that exist or not, there is a burden of  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 12:13 PM   #194 
      Hell...  nathan hale   Apr-24-06 06:14 PM   #323 
      Not silly when you label non-believers as whackjobs  _testify_   Apr-24-06 12:44 PM   #205 
      Are atheists immune  nathan hale   Apr-24-06 06:22 PM   #326 
      Lack of belief is not a matter of faith  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Apr-25-06 01:09 AM   #363 
      The burden of proof  Dorian Gray   Apr-24-06 10:26 AM   #153 
      I'm an agnostic...but wanted to comment on the matter of "belief"  info being   Apr-24-06 10:47 AM   #172 
      that sounds more like Agnosticism actually.  info being   Apr-24-06 10:45 AM   #171 
      No, it is still atheism when you go into more depth than the  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:48 AM   # 
      Agnosticism insists that one cannot prove either way whether or not there  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Apr-25-06 01:18 AM   #364 
      That depends highly on their attitude.  skids   Apr-24-06 05:49 PM   #315 
         My post addressed only belief in or disbelief in God  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Apr-25-06 01:19 AM   #365 
   Physical Reality exists on the back of Probability. So your complete  cryingshame   Apr-24-06 10:13 AM   #146 
      Really? Einstienian spirit huh? Pick any of Special Relativity,  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:26 AM   #155 
      Funniest. Post. Ever...  SidDithers   Apr-24-06 01:57 PM   #242 
      "Newtonian dinosaurs"? "Einstienian Homo Sapien Spiritualis" ???  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 03:27 PM   #269 
      LOL! This is hilarious!  Odin2005   Apr-24-06 04:29 PM   #293 
      Post #249  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 07:39 PM   #336 
      Cryingshame: Gosh, thanks for being the Authority on All Matter and Spirit  Oregonian   Apr-24-06 08:29 PM   #347 
      LOL!  mongo   Apr-25-06 04:10 PM   #381 
      So because something is 'probable', it's true?  Zhade   Apr-27-06 07:34 PM   #396 
   While certainly extremism is something that should be reserved only for  Diogenes17   Apr-23-06 11:03 PM   #9 
   I see. Insults pertained to the kind of personality & logic that caused  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 05:24 AM   #88 
   Looks like Ms. Barton gets an A in Philosophy 101  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-23-06 11:04 PM   #11 
   Thank you - well wrote  Synnical   Apr-23-06 11:13 PM   #16 
   Don't you get it? It's Either/Or.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 12:30 AM   #42 
   Lol!  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 12:21 PM   #196 
   i wondered...  druidity33   Apr-24-06 08:39 AM   #121 
   Depends...  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 08:47 AM   #123 
   It seems to me that would be...  liberalpress   Apr-24-06 11:22 AM   #184 
   She'd probably use the same "you cost votse" BS. Lovely forest btw.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:48 AM   #124 
      nope.  druidity33   Apr-24-06 09:31 AM   #134 
   And what of all the evidence of the role Consciousness plays in forming  cryingshame   Apr-24-06 10:17 AM   #148 
   Point me some evidence! If it isn't peer reviewed journal you are  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:28 AM   #157 
   Ah, but consciousness has its own history  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-24-06 10:50 AM   #174 
   And you are an authority on this how...? n/t  trotsky   Apr-24-06 07:37 PM   #335 
   right back at u  Marnieworld   Apr-26-06 10:19 AM   #384 
   As has been asked HUNDREDS OF TIMES of you...  Zhade   Apr-27-06 07:37 PM   #397 
   Brilliant...  NervousRex   Apr-24-06 01:23 PM   #224 
   I feel no threat to my way of life from atheists but I do from those who  Mountainman   Apr-23-06 11:11 PM   #14 
   There's one or two atheist nut jobs  salvorhardin   Apr-23-06 11:14 PM   #17 
   You would if the corporate media proclaimed that athesits  Clark2008   Apr-24-06 02:28 AM   #67 
   But they're not...  SidDithers   Apr-24-06 09:31 AM   #135 
   I share your feelings  me b zola   Apr-24-06 03:12 AM   #69 
   Raw Story should apologize...  Rex_Goodheart   Apr-23-06 11:12 PM   #15 
   My feelings exactly  salvorhardin   Apr-23-06 11:15 PM   #18 
   What I see...  Rex_Goodheart   Apr-23-06 11:24 PM   #21 
   Pardon me, but the column is not an "article"  lala_rawraw   Apr-24-06 04:36 AM   #77 
      I'm sorry Larisa  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 05:08 AM   #82 
      Hear, hear!  Duppers   Apr-24-06 05:31 PM   #310 
      Publications usual apologize if they publish  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 12:26 PM   #197 
      Your post rings hollow.  Zhade   Apr-27-06 07:40 PM   #398 
   I didn't like the lack of names, either.  Eric J in MN   Apr-23-06 11:24 PM   #22 
   You know, it's common knowledge how "those people" are.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 12:35 AM   #44 
   100 percent agreed  Erika   Apr-23-06 11:38 PM   #30 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-06 10:21 AM   #150 
   Point some out. Go on, I dare you.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:30 AM   #161 
   Replace the word "atheist" in your sentence with any other group name,  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 12:29 PM   #198 
   So when does your comet get here?  _testify_   Apr-24-06 12:51 PM   #208 
   Where did you get all that from?  Marr   Apr-24-06 12:52 PM   #209 
   Militant atheist extremists do exist  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-24-06 08:02 PM   #344 
   A new low for Raw Story  beam me up scottie   Apr-23-06 11:19 PM   #19 
   I agree  slay   Apr-24-06 01:48 AM   #59 
   Thanks, I appreciate that.  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 01:58 AM   #62 
   Thank you, we love new lows... every time  lala_rawraw   Apr-24-06 04:46 AM   #79 
      LOL! You're funny!  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 09:46 AM   #136 
      Hi five Bmus! *thwap* down low *thwap* alright! As for the  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 09:52 AM   #138 
      Well, you're losing readership...  Duppers   Apr-24-06 05:38 PM   #312 
   I dont really give a rats ass...  MazeRat7   Apr-23-06 11:20 PM   # 
   The offense was at 1) Number of atheists implicated. 2) Strawmen  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 05:23 AM   #87 
   Radical Atheist checking in...  Union Thug   Apr-23-06 11:20 PM   #20 
   I'm with you 100%  info being   Apr-24-06 10:48 AM   #173 
   Best.Comment.Ever.  beam me up scottie   Apr-23-06 11:25 PM   #23 
   Best Ever  Synnical   Apr-23-06 11:29 PM   #26 
   Nothing but net...  NervousRex   Apr-24-06 01:31 PM   #230 
   Couldn't Agree More!  Southpawkicker   Apr-23-06 11:28 PM   #25 
   The extremism that scares me most is the extremism of the center  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-23-06 11:37 PM   #29 
   Be Afraid Then  Southpawkicker   Apr-23-06 11:39 PM   #31 
      That's the point  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-24-06 12:01 AM   #37 
   So when you were the only one who thought the world was a globe...  Hissyspit   Apr-24-06 12:59 AM   #53 
   Oh, please.  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 01:27 AM   #57 
   Shhh, you might get swfit-boated...  lala_rawraw   Apr-24-06 04:56 AM   #80 
      So you would be OK with Raw Story publishing Willis Carto then?  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 05:22 AM   #86 
      Actually, I have to disagree...  lala_rawraw   Apr-24-06 11:00 AM   #178 
         And I am equally disappointed  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 12:11 PM   #193 
         You're pushing your 'swift boating' claim really hard, aren't you?  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 12:55 PM   #210 
         Purely and simply, the raw story article posted is bigoted shit.  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 03:56 PM   #274 
         "better to smear, misquote, misrepresent, and insert excessive emotion?"  Zhade   Apr-27-06 07:49 PM   #400 
      Look at Barton's last 2 paragraphs again - it's a witch hunt she wants  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 07:19 AM   #96 
      I defend the right of her to say it.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 07:52 PM   #342 
      Allow bigoted crap to be published  JNelson6563   Apr-25-06 08:35 AM   #373 
   Uh, why are atheists and agnostics thought of extremists?  Erika   Apr-23-06 11:35 PM   #27 
   Because atheist suicide bombers and terrorists regularly  beam me up scottie   Apr-23-06 11:41 PM   #33 
   Thanks for the laugh!  Erika   Apr-23-06 11:43 PM   #34 
   Today 10,000 atheists demonstrated...  Canuckistanian   Apr-24-06 02:19 AM   #64 
      "If atheism is a religion, then 'OFF' is a TV channel." LOL  watrwefitinfor   Apr-24-06 07:14 AM   #95 
      ROFL !!!  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 10:28 AM   #158 
      Thank you!  smirkymonkey   Apr-24-06 01:18 PM   #219 
      excellent quote about off as a TV channel  Marnieworld   Apr-26-06 10:55 AM   #385 
   Though her argument is not well presented, I think she's referring  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-23-06 11:45 PM   #35 
   But that's rudeness, not extremism.  PublicWrath   Apr-24-06 01:42 AM   #58 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-06 12:34 AM   #43 
      Sure. And those are the ONLY folks walking around DU with a case  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 12:40 AM   #47 
      You know  bloom   Apr-24-06 12:46 AM   #50 
         I don't have any idea what you're talking about.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 12:48 AM   #51 
            I didn't say it was you  bloom   Apr-24-06 12:49 AM   #52 
            Yeah, issue is right.  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 01:03 AM   #56 
      Bullshit.  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 01:01 AM   #54 
         Yes...  arwalden   Apr-24-06 09:28 AM   #133 
   I don't see the problem here  Agony   Apr-23-06 11:41 PM   #32 
   Welcome to D.U.!  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 08:09 AM   #107 
   What a bunch of crap.  dorkulon   Apr-23-06 11:55 PM   #36 
   It's not crap.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 12:42 AM   #48 
   I disagree  Pastiche423   Apr-24-06 01:03 AM   #55 
   Haven't seen you till now. Belated Welcome to D.U.!  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 08:10 AM   #108 
   Reading some more comments, it looks like Raw Story  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 12:16 AM   #39 
   Yes, that is really the silver lining in all this  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 12:20 AM   #40 
   Well, Raw Story just dropped about 40 notches in my estimation.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 12:28 AM   #41 
   Editor's note:  Pastiche423   Apr-24-06 12:37 AM   #45 
   If Ms. Barton has devoted a "considerable number of words...  SidDithers   Apr-24-06 09:52 AM   #137 
      More along the lines of  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 04:33 PM   #294 
   Apparently claiming that it's logical to expect evidence to PROVE claims  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 12:37 AM   #46 
   I strenuously object to this statement  Canuckistanian   Apr-24-06 12:45 AM   #49 
   Exactly. There is a LACK OF evidence for LOTS OF THINGS.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 03:29 AM   #70 
   If you don't believe in a 500 ft tall invisible gorilla  killbotfactory   Apr-24-06 06:40 AM   #93 
   I've always admired your shoes...  SidDithers   Apr-24-06 09:56 AM   #139 
   Can you get the gnomes to make a pair of size 8.5 wingtips?  BigMcLargehuge   Apr-25-06 09:24 AM   #374 
   Logically, how does one "practice" atheism?  DrGonzoLives   Apr-24-06 10:16 AM   #147 
   It isn't an affirmative practice, your disbelief in Zeus doesn't  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:32 AM   #163 
   "Practice" infers that you are actively doing something  DrGonzoLives   Apr-24-06 10:36 AM   #168 
   It's hard work!  Canuckistanian   Apr-24-06 12:17 PM   #195 
   Evidence hasn't been produced yet to prove that Consiouness plays a  cryingshame   Apr-24-06 10:24 AM   #152 
      support, not prove. Neuroscience 1001.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:34 AM   #166 
   Atheists lack money and power to promote their  lyonn   Apr-24-06 01:49 AM   #60 
   Melinda has earned Atrios' "Wanker of the Day"  Canuckistanian   Apr-24-06 01:55 AM   #61 
   That's nice  Solly Mack   Apr-24-06 02:14 AM   #63 
   As a determined humanist/pantheist  Mythsaje   Apr-24-06 02:48 AM   #68 
   Pure tripe  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Apr-24-06 03:38 AM   #73 
   Truth hurts  nolabels   Apr-24-06 07:22 AM   #97 
   How many atheists in America propose FORCING everyone to be atheist?  Yollam   Apr-24-06 03:50 AM   #74 
   These so-called "Atheists" do worse in public school science class  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 03:54 AM   #75 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-06 10:26 AM   #154 
   Scientific Industrial Complex - corporate driven not atheist.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:35 AM   #167 
      These days, it's faith driven, in the USA  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 11:03 AM   #181 
   Don't you remember?  _testify_   Apr-24-06 01:19 PM   #221 
   wow, found this when I went to the link  maddezmomDU Moderator   Apr-24-06 04:13 AM   #76 
   Previously, I recall seeing that, and thinking it an untruthful disclaimer  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 05:08 AM   #83 
      using the word "perpetrators" seems awfully defensive  maddezmomDU Moderator   Apr-24-06 05:19 AM   #85 
      Nice catch! You have a keen eye, I must say!  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 05:29 AM   #89 
      It does lack "thruth-iness"  JNelson6563   Apr-24-06 09:18 AM   #128 
   "extremist"=those who admit atheism?  JNelson6563   Apr-24-06 06:15 AM   #90 
   Where? n/t  H2O Man   Apr-24-06 06:28 AM   #91 
   It seems the left has hate speech as well as "whackjobs"  Taxloss   Apr-24-06 06:34 AM   #92 
   WOW! The DU expressions here surprise me.  Festivito   Apr-24-06 07:36 AM   #98 
   Hold on mate, here's a candle:  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 07:46 AM   #99 
   There it is:  JNelson6563   Apr-24-06 07:51 AM   #100 
   she doesn't mention the word God. You have just misquoted her.  cryingshame   Apr-24-06 10:27 AM   #156 
   O.K, disbelieve religous claims. Splitting hairs IMO.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:36 AM   #169 
   Incorrect.  yodermon   Apr-24-06 10:28 AM   #160 
   You're right, it's either a goof, or a cloaked attack then contradicted.  Festivito   Apr-24-06 10:33 AM   #164 
   So You Refute The Poster's Point By Making The Same Gross Error?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-24-06 06:12 PM   #321 
   Maybe because the 'extremists' are never named?  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 07:58 AM   #102 
   It's her own fault  charlie   Apr-24-06 08:09 AM   #106 
   This guy is an idiot...  sendero   Apr-24-06 07:59 AM   #103 
   Variety is the spice of life  dogdayDU Moderator   Apr-24-06 08:06 AM   #104 
   Nor do we. What works for the goose works for the gander!  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:08 AM   #105 
      I have seen many get pissed on these  dogdayDU Moderator   Apr-24-06 08:13 AM   #109 
         OOooohhhh nice flame suit! (As an immoral ^extreme^ atheist, I'll nick it)  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:18 AM   # 
            We are all going to burn anyway lol nt  dogdayDU Moderator   Apr-24-06 08:19 AM   #113 
               Unless you give to the Tom Delay Persecuted Christian Fund.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:24 AM   #115 
                  I don't believe our burning will be act  dogdayDU Moderator   Apr-24-06 08:28 AM   #117 
                     I do not believe burning as an act of God, but there are those who  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 08:34 AM   #119 
   Get to the back of the bus, you godless atheists!  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 08:14 AM   #110 
   That to me is the point of the piece and is the most offensive  Marnieworld   Apr-26-06 11:27 AM   #386 
   Atheists hands are clean  malaise   Apr-24-06 08:18 AM   #112 
   You see this is your problem, right here:  mr blur   Apr-24-06 08:46 AM   #122 
   UnHoly shit, BaitMan!  symbolman   Apr-24-06 08:50 AM   #127 
   I think you meant 'perhaps DAMNED' and 'possibly goddam fencesitters' ;)  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 09:21 AM   #129 
   Your beef ought to be with  yodermon   Apr-24-06 10:51 AM   #175 
   Another graduate of Falwell U.?  izzybeans   Apr-24-06 09:21 AM   #130 
   ...  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 09:24 AM   #131 
   The columnist sounds like a whackjob.  missb   Apr-24-06 10:32 AM   #162 
   You should here some of the people I'm arguing with!  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:39 AM   #170 
   How is an atheist any more of a whackjob than a Christian, Jew, or Muslim?  ComerPerro   Apr-24-06 10:34 AM   #165 
   I am a little confused here.  DanCa   Apr-24-06 10:56 AM   #176 
   Extremism bad, anyone who does not believe in God is an  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:58 AM   #177 
   Not all athiests are extremist  DanCa   Apr-24-06 11:01 AM   #179 
   ...  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 11:03 AM   #180 
      People can believe or disbelive what they want.  DanCa   Apr-24-06 11:08 AM   #182 
         Golden rule sounds about right.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 11:16 AM   #183 
            Agreed  DanCa   Apr-24-06 11:24 AM   #185 
               Thanks for the hug. Great post.  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 11:32 AM   #190 
   I expected better from you, R_A  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 12:58 PM   #211 
      Oh, she comes out with her bigotry right near the top:  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 04:13 PM   #276 
         Would you read what I have to say about that  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 04:24 PM   #287 
   Me too..  sendero   Apr-24-06 11:26 AM   #187 
   I'm an  Chomp   Apr-24-06 11:26 AM   #188 
   It's wonderful to see so many DUers calling this article  Anarcho-Socialist   Apr-24-06 12:10 PM   #192 
   Atheism is a religion, like not collecting stamps is a hobby.  Beelzebud   Apr-24-06 12:38 PM   #201 
   This thread makes me agree with the article the more I read.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 12:48 PM   #206 
   No, there's nothing about 'crazy', 'should be locked up'  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 01:00 PM   #213 
   I'm not talking about the piece  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 01:08 PM   #216 
      If you're not talking about the piece, how can you agree with it?  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 01:30 PM   #228 
         I was talking about agreeing with the piece  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 01:49 PM   #238 
            You say you are an atheist but...  Finder   Apr-24-06 02:05 PM   #244 
            It relates in that  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 02:09 PM   #246 
            I feel no burden to prove His existence  billyskank   Apr-29-06 03:48 PM   #402 
            You regard those who call believers 'crazy' etc. as extremists  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 04:17 PM   #280 
               Oh jeeze  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 04:33 PM   #296 
                  Congrats, GinC.  trotsky   Apr-24-06 04:44 PM   #299 
                  Oh, interesting that the article doesn't say that.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 04:46 PM   #300 
                     You don't "think" that's what she said.  trotsky   Apr-24-06 05:00 PM   #303 
                        And others agree with me.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 05:05 PM   #305 
                           "You're wrong, because I said so."  trotsky   Apr-24-06 06:01 PM   #318 
                              Yawn  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 06:13 PM   #322 
                  You don't believe in the supernatural, but think that making claims  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 05:04 PM   #304 
                     I don't think statements of belief one way or another are unreasonable  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 05:17 PM   #307 
   Do you have an example?  Finder   Apr-24-06 01:11 PM   #217 
   I absolutely do  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 01:13 PM   #218 
   GinC, you're being rather dishonest with your editing and selection.  trotsky   Apr-24-06 01:53 PM   # 
   Sorry, but I think you're being dishonest in your portrayals.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 02:05 PM   #243 
      I think what we have here are two different interpretations  trotsky   Apr-24-06 02:25 PM   #251 
      So let me get this straight:  Oregonian   Apr-24-06 08:24 PM   #345 
         That poster was rude  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 11:10 PM   #359 
   Well lounge posts tend to be extreme...  Finder   Apr-24-06 01:53 PM   #240 
   You must have missed Popeapalooza 2005  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-24-06 01:25 PM   #227 
      There were other christians doing some bashing as well...  Finder   Apr-24-06 01:34 PM   #231 
         That is simply not true.  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-24-06 01:38 PM   #233 
            I was pointing out that it was anti-catholic not all anti-religion.  Finder   Apr-24-06 01:42 PM   #237 
               Well, bigotry against one religion counts  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-24-06 02:10 PM   #247 
                  But you are assuming all slams came from atheists.  Finder   Apr-24-06 02:29 PM   #256 
                     No. Whoever slams anyone for their beliefs for any reason  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-24-06 02:58 PM   #261 
   I agree with you  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-24-06 01:23 PM   #225 
   It seems like people are jumping to a lot of conclusions  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 01:52 PM   #239 
   Completely  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 04:15 PM   #277 
   No it doesn't.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 04:20 PM   #284 
      Wrong  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 04:24 PM   #286 
      I think you're wrong.  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 04:26 PM   #289 
      "Clearing up" the definition of secular???  trotsky   Apr-24-06 07:32 PM   #333 
         Thanks for that enlightening display  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 11:10 PM   #360 
   Point out one exapmle of a DU atheist saying that. I dare you. Go on!  Random_Australian   Apr-24-06 10:17 PM   #356 
   Oh for fuck sake, if you don't start reading the other posts before  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 11:11 PM   #361 
   It would be nice if this article  bloom   Apr-25-06 12:35 PM   #376 
   laughing madly  donsu   Apr-24-06 01:19 PM   #220 
   UPDATED: The following response from Melinda Barton...  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 01:22 PM   #223 
   Well la dee da. Backpedaling on bigotry in the face of pressure.  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 01:34 PM   #232 
   Nice framing.  benburch   Apr-24-06 01:40 PM   #236 
      More like:  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 02:19 PM   #248 
   Well, that doesn't ring true  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 01:38 PM   #234 
   What kind of non-response is that?  trotsky   Apr-24-06 01:39 PM   #235 
   She should have thought longer about writing it.  missb   Apr-24-06 02:22 PM   #250 
   Who taught her how to apologize, Rumsferatu?  beam me up scottie   Apr-24-06 03:18 PM   #264 
   she doesn't believe that anyone should be silenced or purged  Marnieworld   Apr-26-06 01:10 PM   #387 
   "those who disbelieve all religious and spiritual claims,"  dchill   Apr-24-06 01:54 PM   #241 
   So, atheists and immigrants appear to be the next targets, after GLBTs.  glitch   Apr-24-06 02:07 PM   #245 
   Yep, along with the pro-choicers, we're alienating "Values Voters".  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 04:33 PM   #295 
   This was not a particularly tactfully written article.  Zynx   Apr-24-06 02:28 PM   #253 
   And based of false premises.  Maddy McCall   Apr-24-06 02:49 PM   #257 
   Tactful had nothing to do with it. The author was a bigoted sh**  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 02:54 PM   #259 
      And that's only the first example of false premise in her article.  Maddy McCall   Apr-24-06 03:20 PM   #265 
      Analogous to saying that one does not regard all Christians as wackjobs  American Tragedy   Apr-24-06 03:29 PM   #270 
         Very well put. Very understandable.  Strong Atheist   Apr-24-06 03:35 PM   #272 
   Avery Walker commenting again  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 03:56 PM   #275 
   similar to the ealier one  maddezmomDU Moderator   Apr-24-06 04:26 PM   #290 
   And oddly  salvorhardin   Apr-24-06 04:28 PM   #292 
      Yeah, that's my thinking, too  Synnical   Apr-24-06 10:07 PM   #354 
   'Kay. AFAIC, That's about it for "Raw Story".  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 04:28 PM   #291 
      My thoughts exactly  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 04:50 PM   #301 
         Yup. And then to get indignant that folks expect an apology.  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 07:37 PM   #334 
   In the 5 years I have been at DU, I have seen "nuance" die a slow death  SoCalDem   Apr-24-06 04:20 PM   #282 
   It's because people just come online to vent.  skids   Apr-24-06 05:45 PM   #313 
   Amen..  SoCalDem   Apr-24-06 05:52 PM   #316 
   Welcome to the internet  Bucky   Apr-24-06 06:33 PM   #328 
   Hmmm. I am not sure what your point is, but if  Strong Atheist   Apr-25-06 07:42 AM   #372 
   Well, isn't this interesting....  Desertrose   Apr-24-06 04:44 PM   #298 
   Look at the pattern, and you'll see the deleted messages  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-24-06 05:12 PM   #306 
   No... She Won't Notice Something As OBVIOUS As That...  arwalden   Apr-24-06 09:54 PM   #351 
   !  GirlinContempt   Apr-24-06 05:20 PM   #308 
   You found that funny? Really?  RandomKoolzip   Apr-25-06 02:14 AM   #366 
      I find this whole thing funny  GirlinContempt   Apr-25-06 02:21 AM   #367 
         It's not without its demented charm.  RandomKoolzip   Apr-25-06 02:23 AM   #368 
            You're a demented charm  GirlinContempt   Apr-25-06 02:25 AM   #369 
   Oh, how very interesting.  trotsky   Apr-24-06 07:43 PM   #338 
      Yeah! Go Figure! -- I Guess It's A Lot Like This....  arwalden   Apr-24-06 09:50 PM   #349 
   A refutation of some of her more ridiculous points:  Lolivia   Apr-24-06 05:36 PM   #311 
   Bravo!  trotsky   Apr-24-06 07:45 PM   #339 
   Thanks!  Lolivia   Apr-24-06 07:49 PM   #341 
   Well done!  Synnical   Apr-24-06 10:13 PM   #355 
   It's Talking About People Who Attack Religion To Eliminate It  InfoMinister   Apr-24-06 06:00 PM   #317 
   Again, Name One  Synnical   Apr-24-06 11:08 PM   #358 
   On First Read It Seemed Ok To Me. It's Only Addressing The Extremists, No?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-24-06 06:06 PM   #320 
   It seems that "they" don't exist and she tars with a large brush  Cronus Protagonist   Apr-24-06 06:42 PM   #331 
   To her, an "extremist" is anyone who asserts that it's more logical  impeachdubya   Apr-24-06 07:42 PM   #337 
   I Just Don't See That In The Article. Where Is That Part? Is There A  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-24-06 07:46 PM   #340 
   I can name plenty of Christian extremists:  Oregonian   Apr-24-06 08:26 PM   #346 
   further definitive proof that there is no such thing as  leftofthedial   Apr-24-06 09:53 PM   #350 
   Golden Rule people  DanCa   Apr-24-06 09:56 PM   #352 
   The problem with insults is that they are not accurate  Cronus Protagonist   Apr-24-06 11:00 PM   #357 
   "Finally, he will ignore any and all reason or evidence that refutes his  fob   Apr-24-06 11:16 PM   #362 
   I like this argument against absolutism a real lot -  Zorra   Apr-25-06 02:38 AM   #370 
   Clever. The tone of the article implies that all atheists are whackjobs..  Misunderestimator   Apr-25-06 10:00 AM   #375 
   Thank you! Thank you! Agreed!  Strong Atheist   Apr-25-06 02:53 PM   #378 
   Wouldn't this columnists stance be considered extremist?  Javaman   Apr-25-06 01:17 PM   #377 
   Agreed. The columnist is clearly an anti-atheist bigot. nt.  Strong Atheist   Apr-25-06 02:54 PM   #379 
   How can a nonbeliever be an extremist? (talk about a whackjob)  Lusted4   Apr-25-06 03:05 PM   #380 
   The Dr. Billy Graham: Atheists are "empty and hopeless"  Synnical   Apr-25-06 10:43 PM   #382 
   Atheist: Dr. Billy Graham "Full of Shit" n/t  impeachdubya   Apr-25-06 11:10 PM   #383 
   Strawman arguments. Who is the "whackjob" here? nt  happydreams   Apr-26-06 01:41 PM   #388 
   I'm a "whack job"? wow.. that's news to me.  progressivebydesign   Apr-27-06 07:42 PM   #399 
   So the left needs to embrace religious bigotry? What next, racism?  Minnesota_Lib   Apr-27-06 08:01 PM   #401 
 

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