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Sun Apr-23-06 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #34 |
| 145. here are some questions that may respond to yours |
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1) what are the chances that a candidate who is openly (but not proselytizingly, if that's a word) agnostic or atheist would win the Presidency or any other high public office? Now what about the chances of one who speaks about his/her atheism in the same manner that W or Joe Lieberman or even Jimmy Carter speaks about his beliefs?
2) how would you feel if for a month each year, people played music with a theme of "there is no god; you know it and we know it; let's celebrate"?
3) has any atheist boss ever refused to hire (or fired) a person because of his or her being a Christian, and gotten away with it? Do you think the opposite has happened?
4) have you ever been told by a family member who knew you were agnostic or atheist, when you politely declined to attend church with them, "I guess you just don't respect my views?"
5) have you ever had to file a lawsuit after politiely asking that your child's school system drop only the "under God" words from the required daily Pledge of Allegiance recitation? And when you did, did you receive hate mail, an avalanche of criticism by newspaper editorialists, ostracism from other parents, etc., etc., etc.?
I'm sure many people here could list many more questions that could give you a sense of the levels of discrimination.
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| -Where can atheists and agnostics feel welcome? |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:08 AM |
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i'm an atheist |
JI7 |
Apr-23-06 01:10 AM |
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I do |
shenmue |
Apr-23-06 01:13 AM |
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That worries me, too. I'm afraid they may make some major |
PublicWrath |
Apr-23-06 01:28 AM |
#20 |
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Just ignore all the nutcases |
Oversea Visitor |
Apr-23-06 01:11 AM |
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Religion should not be in the mix. That's a big part of the |
babylonsister |
Apr-23-06 01:12 AM |
#3 |
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it's a two party system |
pitohui |
Apr-23-06 01:12 AM |
#4 |
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Actually I feel that it's a one party system |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 02:12 AM |
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You want to be part of a group to raise your voice, just not a religious |
radwriter0555 |
Apr-23-06 01:13 AM |
#6 |
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I think MOST of us join groups |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 01:17 AM |
#10 |
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i don't believe atheists/agnostics cost votes |
pitohui |
Apr-23-06 01:25 AM |
#18 |
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I really like you. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 01:29 AM |
#21 |
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I've never read a better post |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:35 AM |
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Thomas Jefferson said that two decades ago. |
unschooler |
Apr-23-06 01:47 AM |
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Jefferson said that two decades ago? OK n/t |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 02:10 AM |
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Whoops. I meant two CENTURIES ago. |
unschooler |
Apr-23-06 09:12 PM |
#165 |
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What about those of us that can't stand? :D |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 01:44 AM |
#30 |
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Well, they've managed to convince some on the left |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 01:49 AM |
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Which is ironic because Jesus was never friends with a politician. |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 02:09 AM |
#47 |
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Do you believe them? I don't. I don't think being religious or not being |
radwriter0555 |
Apr-23-06 04:59 AM |
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Unfortunately, other peoples beliefs and opinions matter very much |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 06:59 AM |
#134 |
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that's the way i am also |
JI7 |
Apr-23-06 01:19 AM |
#11 |
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The fact that non-religious people are automatically disqualified |
ladjf |
Apr-23-06 08:04 AM |
#136 |
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I don't feel that way, Erika |
msgadget |
Apr-23-06 01:13 AM |
#7 |
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Can you include Pagans and Wiccans in your welcome? |
KitchenWitch |
Apr-23-06 01:14 AM |
#8 |
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I like the simplicity of being pagan |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:20 AM |
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Just skip the posts regarding religious matters if they offend you. |
8_year_nightmare |
Apr-23-06 01:15 AM |
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I am very uncomfortable with the religious chest-beating |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:24 AM |
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That gets on my nerves, too. |
8_year_nightmare |
Apr-23-06 01:48 AM |
#36 |
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As Bruce Springsteen says : |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 02:20 AM |
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Hey, DanCa. Good choice to quote. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 02:35 AM |
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Just remember Tuesday the new cd is comming out. :D |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 02:38 AM |
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He's on Good Morning America, that morning, too, I believe. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 02:39 AM |
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Yeah am dying to hear his version of John Henry |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 02:42 AM |
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Link for anyone interested in tickets: I guess I will go |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 02:51 AM |
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Well the Republicans dont practice christianity. |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 01:21 AM |
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Let me tell you about bill |
Oversea Visitor |
Apr-23-06 01:22 AM |
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Bill was an amusing nut |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:29 AM |
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He is a bad example of a god fearing person |
Oversea Visitor |
Apr-23-06 01:36 AM |
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Uh, he was for the typical Republican n/t |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:38 AM |
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I am fimilar with such mindset |
Oversea Visitor |
Apr-23-06 02:02 AM |
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"The Mighty God of DU spoke...." |
Dunvegan |
Apr-23-06 02:58 AM |
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Hey |
Oversea Visitor |
Apr-23-06 03:12 AM |
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in the burning, sulphurous pits of hell |
leftofthedial |
Apr-23-06 01:23 AM |
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England. Something like 40%+ are atheist, agnostic, non-declared. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 01:23 AM |
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You mean I can actually say that there? |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 01:37 AM |
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Yeah, Atheists and Agnostics are not heathens |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:41 AM |
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I live in the south. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 01:44 AM |
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Told a fundy I was an agnostic... |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:07 AM |
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Me too. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 02:11 AM |
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I did the same thing when I wanted to finish reading a book at the VA |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:18 AM |
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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:20 AM |
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Demon Haunted World |
CrispyQGirl |
Apr-23-06 09:26 AM |
#144 |
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FYI |
CrispyQGirl |
Apr-23-06 09:22 AM |
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Or Japan |
charlie |
Apr-23-06 01:44 AM |
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Anywhere but here, apparently. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 01:47 AM |
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Whereabouts are you at, Beam...? |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 02:27 AM |
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Kentucky. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:20 AM |
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Same here. I teach in North Carolina. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 02:25 AM |
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The indoctrination begins in the early formative years... |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:32 AM |
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I got that indoctrination but I grew up. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 02:37 AM |
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WHY is the question. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 02:42 AM |
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That's interesting Beam me up. My area, on the other hand, is the |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:06 AM |
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sigh... |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:16 AM |
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Yeah, I bet it is. Fortunately, my husband has no more interest than |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:42 AM |
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I'm working on it. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:46 AM |
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My mom's living in TX now, too. She's my spy in enemy territory. |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:50 AM |
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I know exactly how your mom feels. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:55 AM |
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LOL! n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:58 AM |
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... |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 04:00 AM |
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Nobody here cares whether or not you believe in a god |
mr blur |
Apr-23-06 04:39 AM |
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Same here, my friend as yet confined by mother England, same here. |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 07:01 AM |
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That sounds right. England has never been intensely religious. |
PublicWrath |
Apr-23-06 01:48 AM |
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IIRC didn't the puritans overrun the place once and then |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 03:25 AM |
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Quite true. But, in general there has been less superstition of the cruel |
PublicWrath |
Apr-23-06 04:06 AM |
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You have a voice- its called voting. Vote for who supports |
Olney Blue |
Apr-23-06 01:25 AM |
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I'm fading fast here |
salvorhardin |
Apr-23-06 01:41 AM |
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Great post. Thank you. |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:46 AM |
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We've got to do it |
salvorhardin |
Apr-23-06 02:01 AM |
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Forgive My Ignorance, But Can You Educate Me On What The Problem Is? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-23-06 01:47 AM |
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How many threads have you seen on atheists/agnostics |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:54 AM |
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It's also an affront to the many Christians who believe in separation |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:11 AM |
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Precisely. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:17 AM |
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We certainly do. I feel like the Repubs have been snaking their way |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:44 AM |
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See, I hate to see that. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:49 AM |
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delete |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:44 AM |
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"One nation under god", "In god we trust", other "god" crap. |
CrazyForKucinich |
Apr-23-06 02:21 AM |
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Ya know I'd think that Jesus would be insulted in having his name on money |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 02:30 AM |
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DanCa- I believe it's the "love" of money that is the root of all evil... |
Olney Blue |
Apr-23-06 11:45 AM |
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General day-to-day suppression. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-23-06 02:31 AM |
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Yet atheists hold themselves accountable |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 02:51 AM |
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here are some questions that may respond to yours |
spooky3 |
Apr-23-06 09:27 AM |
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They fear atheists don't feel guilt about sex (like they do). |
Hardrada |
Apr-23-06 01:52 AM |
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No, we don't |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 01:55 AM |
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I'll meet ya halfway on that... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-23-06 01:59 AM |
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That is insulting to atheists and agnostics |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 02:08 AM |
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He didn't say that at all |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:13 AM |
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Who said that? What I said was... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-23-06 02:20 AM |
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That's not what he's saying. Now who's being defensive? |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:33 AM |
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I can spout off on values all day, constantly. |
FlaGranny |
Apr-23-06 04:28 PM |
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Here in the south, there are some fundies... |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:10 AM |
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Why I will never visit the South |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 02:12 AM |
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Not everyone is like that |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:15 AM |
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They're all over... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-23-06 02:27 AM |
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Howard Dean never panders to them. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 02:14 AM |
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Just ONE of the many reasons that Howard Dean will |
PassingFair |
Apr-23-06 06:42 PM |
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What the fundies don't understand |
CrispyQGirl |
Apr-23-06 09:51 AM |
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I'm leaning towards agnostic myself. Christian fundies today are the worst |
NVMojo |
Apr-23-06 02:13 AM |
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Ha . I like that may I borrow it? |
DanCa |
Apr-23-06 02:17 AM |
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Hmph...I'm stealing both of those |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:19 AM |
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I think if everyone followed Christ's teachings |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 02:18 AM |
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I won't evangelize you if you don't snark about the invisible sky daddy |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 02:49 AM |
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There's a war on agnostics? |
cynatnite |
Apr-23-06 02:52 AM |
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I figured that since the OP included them, I should too |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 02:58 AM |
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That is because us Atheists occasionally suffer from |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 03:12 AM |
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The ones I knew on usenet |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 03:17 AM |
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No, we don't all "suffer from attacks of evangelism". |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:27 AM |
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Sorry BMUS, cross-culture again or bad wording- |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 03:31 AM |
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Sorry, |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:41 AM |
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*phewf* I am very, very relieved that that is sorted without damage. |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 03:44 AM |
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LOL! |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:47 AM |
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I am working on bieng the second most prolific poster; |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 03:51 AM |
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Wow, congrats on your 3K! |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:56 AM |
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Aye! I don't drink and I haven't started writing that new |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 03:59 AM |
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nooooooooooooooooooooooo !!! |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 04:01 AM |
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I thought you could use the laugh. Your PM sounded stressed. |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 04:03 AM |
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Too many threads. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 04:09 AM |
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You are aware there are different kinds of atheists, aren't you? |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:24 AM |
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Stereotyped by "people like me"? |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 03:32 AM |
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Ah, if you miss it, |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:38 AM |
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It's cool. As the token theist on alt.atheism |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 03:49 AM |
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Snort! |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:53 AM |
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Well... it was Usenet |
charlie |
Apr-23-06 03:43 AM |
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Ain't that the truth. |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 03:52 AM |
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Join the war on Christians |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 02:56 AM |
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I'm not crying. |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 03:02 AM |
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Why are you so defensive? |
Erika |
Apr-23-06 03:09 AM |
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You used a broad brush yourself. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:25 AM |
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I wasn't seeing that in the statement. I hope that people acknowledge that |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-23-06 03:34 AM |
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Yeah, it's hard to gage intent on the internet. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:40 AM |
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I wish people wouldn't lump all Christians in the same group, ignoring |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 03:14 AM |
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Most of us do know that. |
beam me up scottie |
Apr-23-06 03:29 AM |
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Oooh, another Daoist on DU |
toddaa |
Apr-23-06 08:23 AM |
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nowhere |
Skittles |
Apr-23-06 04:31 AM |
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my impression is that you are very welcome here. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-23-06 06:34 AM |
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We're pretty welcome in there, yes, and very welcome in |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 06:53 AM |
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ah. well, progressive christians are ALSO unwelcome in freeper palaces, if |
Lerkfish |
Apr-23-06 08:54 AM |
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Not in Heaven, thats for sure n/t |
exlrrp |
Apr-23-06 08:20 AM |
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Check out Unitarian Universalists meetings in your area. |
kikiek |
Apr-23-06 08:31 AM |
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Wow. After all I have heard of America it is nice to hear that! |
Random_Australian |
Apr-23-06 08:33 AM |
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I no loner feel like there isn't anyone around who thinks like me. There |
kikiek |
Apr-23-06 03:02 PM |
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So, what do you suggest to give voice to atheists? |
Festivito |
Apr-23-06 09:15 AM |
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At my house. |
Mountainman |
Apr-23-06 10:42 AM |
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My daughter's softball coach wanted a team prayer before..... |
begley |
Apr-23-06 11:32 AM |
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Heh - reminds me of my dad. When someone asks him if he thinks there |
kath |
Apr-23-06 07:35 PM |
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precisely, Kath |
begley |
Apr-23-06 09:01 PM |
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In hell... oh .... well you asked. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-23-06 11:36 AM |
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Let me ask you a question: |
Clark2008 |
Apr-23-06 11:37 AM |
#150 |
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No one flamed me for my hell comment yet. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-23-06 11:48 AM |
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I think the bigger problem is that atheists cannot be elected |
alarimer |
Apr-23-06 12:25 PM |
#153 |
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Exactly - that is a HUGE problem. We, unfortunately, are DECADES away |
kath |
Apr-23-06 07:37 PM |
#162 |
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Anywhere truth is valued. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-23-06 12:28 PM |
#154 |
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Religion is a brain numbing experience no matter how you |
happydreams |
Apr-23-06 02:36 PM |
#155 |
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All religion isn't fundamentalist. Most Christian denominations aren't. |
pnwmom |
Apr-23-06 08:38 PM |
#163 |
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Sometimes it feels that way being a religious person and a liberal. |
Left Is Write |
Apr-23-06 03:08 PM |
#157 |
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Atheists on the radio |
LunaSea |
Apr-23-06 05:40 PM |
#159 |
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