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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:31 PM
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80. I have always been completely bumfuzzled by your ID
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 08:40 PM by Eloriel
"old leftie lawyer"

I always imagine old meaning at least my age (57) if not older, and so therefore probably liberal when liberal really WAS liberal.

Leftie, that's a term an "old" liberal might consider equivalent to socialist -- when it wasn't quite such a "bad" word or concept.

And lawyer, i think of civil rights and EEOC lawyers I've known which would be in our age group, or what I would imagine is our age group. One of the "old leftie lawyers" I had the privilege of knowing slightly before she died a few years ago was the very young woman attorney who argued the Doe companion case to Roe before the Supreme Court in the early 70s.

So all these wonderful assocoations are running through my mind when I see a post of yours, and then I read the post of yours. And I am always not just shocked but thrown into cognitive dissonance.

They are NEVER (that I can recall) liberal or "leftish" at all. They are at best centrist or moderate, and more usually than not conservative to a degree that at least the DLC would love, if not more infiltration-oriented members Conservative Women of America would approve.

What you've written above would DELIGHT most people on the right who are smart enough to want to undermine and especially co-opt the left. I can't remember when I saw someone on the Left give a nod to anything Clarence Thomas would do, as just one example.

You're entitled to your particular belief system, but it always leaves me so curious as why on earth do you call yourself a Leftie? You're just NOT, not by any definition or understanding I've ever encountered. Oh well. :shrug:

And then I note who has applauded your post, which makes it abundantly clear that there are serious, irresolvable philosophical, poliical and ideological differences among some of us here on this forum. No surprise, right?
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  -What is the role of men in feminism? trotsky  Jul-13-05 10:00 AM   #0 
  - Input of a thoughtful, open and egalitarian nature is always helpful to  efhmc   Jul-13-05 12:28 PM   #1 
  - Exactly the point I was trying to make.  trotsky   Jul-13-05 12:43 PM   #3 
  - Oops, past the editing time... please excuse the double negative. n/t  trotsky   Jul-13-05 12:42 PM   #2 
  - to shut up and listen......  Wetzelbill   Jul-13-05 04:24 PM   #4 
  - Well put, Wetzelbill  alarcoeg   Jul-14-05 04:17 PM   #8 
     - thank you and the same to you  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 02:21 AM   #36 
  - Here's my problem with what you've written  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 01:22 PM   #5 
  - I think he has a point...  Finder   Jul-14-05 02:14 PM   #6 
  - I think you didn't read my post  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 04:54 PM   #11 
  - I think you're distorting what I'm trying to say.  trotsky   Jul-14-05 04:00 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-14-05 04:58 PM   #12 
  - I may be wrong but what I think she is getting at is......  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 01:38 AM   #34 
     - Perfectly stated. Thank you.  Eloriel   Jul-15-05 07:56 PM   #78 
        - You're welcome  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 09:00 PM   #83 
  - Eloriel, I respect your posts a great deal, but  alarcoeg   Jul-14-05 04:40 PM   #10 
     - Read my damn post again  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 05:00 PM   #13 
        - I read it. Did you read mine?  alarcoeg   Jul-14-05 05:03 PM   #14 
        - Yes, I read yours -- several times  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 06:05 PM   #16 
           - Eloriel, we are a group here...  Finder   Jul-14-05 06:24 PM   #17 
           - Who died and left you queen?  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 06:59 PM   #18 
              - Ouch  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-14-05 07:11 PM   #20 
              - There is absolutely nothing in that post you're responding to about her  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 07:22 PM   #21 
                 - No, tone is all  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-14-05 07:42 PM   #24 
                    - Tone is all - ah, but that wasn't your argument  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 08:11 PM   #26 
                       - I said "Tone is all"  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-14-05 08:18 PM   #28 
              - I wasn't attacking you.  Finder   Jul-14-05 07:33 PM   #22 
              - Oh, Finder,  Eloriel   Jul-14-05 08:18 PM   #27 
                 - Well I have no animosity towards you...  Finder   Jul-14-05 08:41 PM   #29 
                    - In Eloriel's defense  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 07:14 AM   #38 
                       - O.M.G. Thanks for posting that  Eloriel   Jul-15-05 07:59 PM   #79 
              - Finder and Eloriel, you are my two best friends in this forum.....  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 02:07 AM   #35 
           - Let's see here...  alarcoeg   Jul-14-05 09:50 PM   #30 
              - Again in Eloriel's defense, I refer everyone to the rules of THIS group  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 07:47 AM   #40 
                 - This Group is being poisoned.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 08:24 AM   #42 
                 - Don't worry.  trotsky   Jul-15-05 08:38 AM   #43 
                 - I wasn't speaking of purging you.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 08:48 AM   #44 
                 - I just think there's a difference  trotsky   Jul-15-05 08:54 AM   #45 
                    - Okay.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 02:55 PM   #64 
                 - Trotsky, rather than quitting  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 09:00 AM   #47 
                    - Ah, you are so much more diplomatic than I.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 09:16 AM   #49 
                    - you didn't offend me at all  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 02:02 PM   #54 
                       - Okay.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 02:28 PM   #59 
                          - ok...  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 03:26 PM   #65 
                             - Two points.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 03:35 PM   #66 
                                - oh, no intention to tell you how to post....  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 03:58 PM   #69 
                                   - Just a simple suggestion.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 04:14 PM   #70 
                                      - oh sorry, I got it from a woman  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 04:28 PM   #71 
                    - For what it's worth  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 02:19 PM   #58 
                       - Did you mean to reply to my post?  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 02:32 PM   #61 
                       - Lukashero  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 05:03 PM   #73 
                          - We're cool, alarcoeg  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 09:08 PM   #84 
                             - Great!  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 10:07 PM   #87 
                       - Okay.  Ripley   Jul-15-05 02:38 PM   #62 
                          - Ripley  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 05:33 PM   #75 
                 - Hi Ripley....just a few things...  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 01:45 PM   #51 
                    - I appreciate your efforts Bill but  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 01:55 PM   #52 
                    - typo, thanks for pointing it out  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 02:07 PM   #55 
                       - No problem - just wanted to point it out  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 02:17 PM   #57 
                          - I should say when I say quieter...  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 03:35 PM   #67 
                             - We are going to be skeptical of *everyone* here for a while  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 09:13 PM   #85 
                    - It would serve you well to not trash me behind my back...  Misunderestimator   Jul-17-05 01:54 PM   #91 
                       - I wish you'd ignore that  Wetzelbill   Jul-17-05 08:07 PM   #94 
                 - An honest question  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 08:55 AM   #46 
                    - Perhaps Wetzelbill can answer that question for you  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 09:15 AM   #48 
                    - Well....I'll try..  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 01:16 PM   #50 
                       - Wetzelbill  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 02:10 PM   #56 
                          - No, posting a man's perspective AT ALL is the problem  Eloriel   Jul-15-05 07:34 PM   #77 
                             - Eloriel  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 09:57 PM   #86 
                                - The concensus was on the mission statement.... you should read it.  Misunderestimator   Jul-17-05 01:19 PM   #90 
                                - I've read it several times  alarcoeg   Jul-17-05 07:50 PM   #93 
                                   - And if not done with sufficient civility,  Eloriel   Jul-18-05 05:42 PM   #95 
                                      - Your opinion of me is duly noted  alarcoeg   Jul-18-05 05:55 PM   #96 
                                - OK. I was wrong.  Eloriel   Jul-18-05 07:23 PM   #97 
                                   - I did not imply any ranking of oppressiom.  alarcoeg   Jul-19-05 10:42 AM   #98 
        - Sorry, Eloriel, you are the one being rude...  Finder   Jul-14-05 05:12 PM   #15 
           - Are we.... on the same side?  Misunderestimator   Jul-17-05 05:03 PM   #92 
  - I use a simple analogy  Logansquare   Jul-14-05 04:38 PM   #9 
  - you are way too smart for me  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 02:33 AM   #37 
     - No, I don't think the reason is primarily biological  Logansquare   Jul-15-05 02:01 PM   #53 
        - So was it sexist of him to elude to that?  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 02:30 PM   #60 
        - Can I interject some thoughts on this?  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 02:41 PM   #63 
        - that was my first impression....  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 03:46 PM   #68 
        - I am a librarian  Logansquare   Jul-15-05 04:50 PM   #72 
           - Well put  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 08:46 PM   #82 
        - Admitted math-phobe here  ccbombs   Jul-15-05 05:26 PM   #74 
           - Math professor here.  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 05:55 PM   #76 
           - yeah that's a good point  Wetzelbill   Jul-15-05 08:42 PM   #81 
  - The role of men in feminism, as I see it, and ...........  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-14-05 07:08 PM   #19 
     - Extends hand...  Finder   Jul-14-05 07:37 PM   #23 
     - Thanks for that, OLL.  trotsky   Jul-14-05 07:45 PM   #25 
     - I have problems with Feminism = Humanism  shockra   Jul-14-05 10:54 PM   #31 
     - Corporate "personhood" is a legal term  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-14-05 11:18 PM   #32 
     - Great post!  smirkymonkey   Jul-15-05 12:04 AM   #33 
     - Yes, great points, shockra!  alarcoeg   Jul-15-05 07:29 AM   #39 
     - Bravo shockra. 'nuff said. n/t  lukasahero   Jul-15-05 08:00 AM   #41 
     - I have always been completely bumfuzzled by your ID  Eloriel   Jul-15-05 08:31 PM   #80 
     - Wow... and to think I just now read this post... after the PM I just sent  Misunderestimator   Jul-17-05 12:31 PM   #88 
     - Right, uhhuh.  Ripley   Jul-17-05 12:44 PM   #89 

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