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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:29 PM
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20. Well I suppose the same could be said for racial minorities
very few shows in the Prime Time lineup feature black families, or Asian families, or people with physical disabilities.

Does that mean that they're not in the 'demographic' being attended to? Of course they are. Black people shop at the stores advertised during commercials just as people with physical handicaps buy products advertised and showcased on different shows.

To say "the demographics aren't there" is, imo, a very convenient way to say "You're not important enough to be featured."

The demographics ARE there. The majority of people in this country AREN'T absurdly wealthy, absurdly beautiful, and lead absurdly perfect lives. But according to you, they must be, otherwise they'd be featured on television.

I suppose that no black people existed in America prior to Amos and Andy being shown on television, right? "The demographics aren't there," you say. Otherwise, had there been black people in America prior to the 1950's, we'd have seen them on television in starring roles and playing things other than porters or maids :eyes:

The choices out there make it very difficult for anyone to choose to see anything other than what is presented to us. As far as your attempt to be condesending (Write a show that's interesting,....), it's laughable at best. Surely, being someone who's written for the medium, you're quite aware that just having a good show with compelling characters isn't ALL that's needed to produce a widely distributed, prime-time television show, right? Or a non-independent, non-movie-house motion picture, right? But to you, oh! it's just as easy as picking up a pen, jotting a few characters, and voila! You've got a show that comes on 3x's a week, 9pm, and wins Emmy after Emmy.

I'm not sure why you're so quick to dismiss those of us who see inequality not just on television, but in movies, in music, in advertising, in reporting, in clothing, and try to bring these issues to the front burner. If these aren't issues you care about (which it seems to me, based on your posts, that you don't, or at least not to the level that others of us in this community do), then why do you care what WE think? Why are you so quick to always jump in and show us silly children the errors of our ways...that we should just accept the status-quo, accept that every image of a woman shown is one of unobtainable beauty, wealth, body type, and life?

Well I'm not going to accept it, and I find it quite telling that you are more than willing to.

Have you even READ the mission statement of this group?
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  -Why do we see so few working class women portrayed? ccbombs  Jun-28-05 04:19 PM   #0 
  - Don't watch enough movies to comment but I am thinking that movies  efhmc   Jun-28-05 04:34 PM   #1 
  - Oh yeah there are movies like that  ccbombs   Jun-28-05 04:45 PM   #2 
     - I liked that movie. What was the second one like.?  efhmc   Jun-28-05 04:55 PM   #3 
  - It's the same reason most blacks  Warpy   Jun-28-05 06:07 PM   #4 
  - Roseanne was a rarity  ccbombs   Jun-28-05 09:38 PM   #8 
  - I think like everything,  Heddi   Jun-28-05 06:30 PM   #5 
  - Wonderful story, wonderful post, wonderful you. Thanks for sharing some  efhmc   Jun-28-05 06:54 PM   #6 
  - Thanks yourself  Heddi   Jun-28-05 07:47 PM   #7 
  - No! Your post has everything to do with mine!  ccbombs   Jun-28-05 09:59 PM   #9 
  - Believe it or not, Japanese TV is more realistic in that respect  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-30-05 11:52 AM   #50 
  - Great post.  raccoon   Oct-31-05 02:39 PM   #55 
  - Grace under Fire  lwfern   Jun-28-05 10:26 PM   #10 
  - Thats another one but it's not on anymore. n/t  ccbombs   Jun-29-05 12:19 AM   #13 
  - Are you kidding?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-28-05 11:00 PM   #11 
  - Wow! What an impressive list of modern shows  Heddi   Jun-28-05 11:27 PM   #12 
  - Oh  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 08:26 AM   #15 
     - Well I suppose the same could be said for racial minorities  Heddi   Jun-29-05 01:29 PM   #20 
        - You're absolutely correct  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 02:23 PM   #21 
        - You honestly don't think you're condescending?  ccbombs   Jun-29-05 03:00 PM   #23 
        - As intended  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 03:16 PM   #24 
           - I did read that book  ccbombs   Jun-29-05 06:54 PM   #31 
              - Escapism  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 07:03 PM   #32 
                 - So where do dramas fit in your entertainment-only theory?  lukasahero   Jun-30-05 09:24 AM   #41 
                    - I don't understand your question, sorry  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-30-05 11:11 AM   #47 
                       - But earlier you said "there's not much that's entertaining about poverty"  lukasahero   Jun-30-05 11:30 AM   #49 
        - To the contrary, I don't dislike you at all  Heddi   Jun-29-05 05:04 PM   #27 
           - So,  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 05:36 PM   #28 
              - I knew you would ask to see such posts  Heddi   Jun-29-05 08:25 PM   #33 
              - great post, thanks, Heddi!  spooky3   Jun-29-05 08:30 PM   #34 
              - You do not come across as harsh  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 08:48 PM   #35 
                 - I feel this, again, is a wasted effort  Heddi   Jun-29-05 09:30 PM   #36 
              - Regarding "you seem to be dismissive of those of us who take offense"  lukasahero   Jun-30-05 10:46 AM   #44 
                 - Yowza!  ccbombs   Jun-30-05 11:03 AM   #46 
        - Sometimes people who post on this site  ccbombs   Jun-29-05 02:56 PM   #22 
           - "it affects my self-image"  Finder   Jun-29-05 03:17 PM   #25 
              - I found this to be the case myself as well  Heddi   Jun-29-05 04:55 PM   #26 
              - I wish I were immune!  ccbombs   Jun-29-05 06:30 PM   #30 
              - "Being feminists we should be immune."  lukasahero   Jun-30-05 09:48 AM   #42 
                 - I agree, we must discuss how to change it....  Finder   Jun-30-05 10:18 AM   #43 
                 - I would like to agree that seeing "their less than perfect mothers" etc  lukasahero   Jun-30-05 02:47 PM   #52 
                    - Good points...  Finder   Jun-30-05 03:30 PM   #53 
                       - Yes, the situation has improved but it has a long way to go  lukasahero   Jul-01-05 07:19 AM   #54 
                 - "Get over it"...... Aaargh!!  ccbombs   Jun-30-05 11:18 AM   #48 
  - None of them are on anymore  ccbombs   Jun-29-05 12:23 AM   #14 
  - I think  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 08:29 AM   #16 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-29-05 01:03 PM   #18 
     - How the hell can you think for one SECOND....  chicaloca   Jun-29-05 05:42 PM   #29 
        - We live in different worlds  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-29-05 09:48 PM   #37 
        - Okay  ccbombs   Jun-30-05 01:21 AM   #38 
        - well, I'm sorry...  chicaloca   Jun-30-05 11:02 AM   #45 
        - Once again  ccbombs   Jun-30-05 02:01 AM   #39 
           - Lack of perspective, perhaps...?  Finder   Jun-30-05 08:22 AM   #40 
  - I'm seeing the "we're only giving people what they want" excuse  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-30-05 12:10 PM   #51 
  - I don't watch TV but here are a few...  Finder   Jun-29-05 09:08 AM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-29-05 01:08 PM   #19 
  - for ca 4 years I watched many soaps ....... very few women were  bobbieinok   Nov-07-05 02:14 AM   #56 

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