PA Mamma
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Tue Jul-05-05 04:49 PM
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| 78. TRUE DEMOCRACY and EQUALITY & JUSTICE FOR ALL! |
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just to name 3. And you know what? An overwhelming majority of Americans agree! http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/20050526_greenberg.cf... They've just been duped into not knowing it. |
| -OK moderates, hit us progressives with your best shot |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 05:31 PM |
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No. You first. |
Inland |
May-26-05 05:40 PM |
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blacks are like what, 13% of the population? |
expatriot |
May-26-05 05:43 PM |
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This is demand time. What do progressives have to offer? |
Inland |
May-26-05 05:50 PM |
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you BLEW IT in florida. the civil rights consensus |
xchrom |
May-26-05 06:01 PM |
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Missed the part where someone says what progressives bring. |
Inland |
May-26-05 06:08 PM |
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Its the 1960s, would you throw away equal rights for a dem win? |
dbonds |
May-26-05 06:29 PM |
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Not sure how this answers the question. |
Inland |
May-26-05 07:18 PM |
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My point was a sense of right and wrong. |
dbonds |
May-26-05 07:26 PM |
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Facts, not opinion.... |
thegreatwildebeest |
Jun-12-05 04:41 PM |
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Arguably, the Kennedys were perfectly willing to do so before 1962 or '63 |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 07:50 PM |
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BTW: |
dbonds |
May-26-05 06:50 PM |
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The OP didn't ask what was best. |
Inland |
May-26-05 07:21 PM |
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OK |
dbonds |
May-26-05 07:40 PM |
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First of all Inland, I respect you for engaging the topic... |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 07:43 PM |
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I think your premise is wrong. |
Inland |
May-26-05 08:50 PM |
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Unfortunately, the attitude you bring to the table |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 09:00 PM |
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You could at least offer a progressive foreign policy amongst your planks |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 09:10 PM |
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But it's the same attitude you brought to the table. |
Inland |
May-26-05 09:17 PM |
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We are much better at grass roots politics |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 10:06 PM |
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Don't bother arguing... |
thegreatwildebeest |
Jun-10-05 12:11 AM |
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Maybe a strong pro-gay Al Gore brings in more Nader votes |
TheFarseer |
May-26-05 10:47 PM |
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If a moderate is scared away by gay-rights, |
benevolent dictator |
May-29-05 12:57 AM |
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Name removed |
Jun-07-05 09:16 AM |
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Plenty of people were denied a voice |
benevolent dictator |
Jun-07-05 06:12 PM |
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There are a lot of progressive issues with wide popular support |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 08:03 PM |
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TRUE DEMOCRACY and EQUALITY & JUSTICE FOR ALL! |
PA Mamma |
Jul-05-05 04:49 PM |
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Principles |
Don1 |
May-28-05 12:04 AM |
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Haven't you seen and read all of that stuff |
benevolent dictator |
May-29-05 12:31 AM |
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Don't need to win elections... |
thegreatwildebeest |
Jun-12-05 04:08 PM |
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I know, and I was just addressing the point in #4 about |
benevolent dictator |
Jun-15-05 02:11 AM |
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What do moderates offer, except status quo? |
saracat |
Jun-02-05 03:04 AM |
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That's pretty uninformed. |
Oerdin |
Aug-23-05 11:00 PM |
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The Clintons gave up on universal health insurance |
Ken Burch |
Aug-25-05 02:24 AM |
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Accomodate? |
inthebrain |
Jun-07-05 11:41 PM |
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Just so I'm clear: you won't support equal rights for GLBT folk... |
Zhade |
Jun-11-05 09:57 PM |
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Progressives have a big problem. |
Oerdin |
Aug-23-05 10:52 PM |
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So... |
salvorhardin |
Dec-07-05 02:49 PM |
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I think the pressure is on you to give something up |
TheFarseer |
May-26-05 05:45 PM |
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I'm going to assume you're a straight man |
benevolent dictator |
May-29-05 01:04 AM |
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My point was, we gave EVERYTHING up in '92 and '96 |
Ken Burch |
Jun-03-05 06:34 PM |
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YOU ask specifically each question you want answered, and I will at least |
patricia92243 |
May-26-05 06:06 PM |
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Going to the middle has not given us an advantage. |
dbonds |
May-26-05 06:16 PM |
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I think every one of these points are |
LeftofU |
Jun-02-05 11:02 PM |
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Most moderates want to dump gays and women off the back of their platform. |
benevolent dictator |
Jun-02-05 11:27 PM |
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I would think that a moderate.. |
MrSandman |
May-26-05 06:20 PM |
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Potentially, especially if moderates don't start doing everything possible |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 07:48 PM |
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Specifically, who is this J. Doe? |
MrSandman |
May-26-05 08:19 PM |
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Duplicate message deleted by sender. |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 08:54 PM |
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Give these a try |
Ken Burch |
May-26-05 08:54 PM |
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I could get behind Feingold... |
MrSandman |
May-26-05 09:01 PM |
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Progressives would LOVE to see moderates emphasize economic issues, |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-26-05 10:18 PM |
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What are the real differences here |
ndcohn |
May-27-05 01:43 AM |
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Excellent point and welcome to DU! |
MaineDem |
May-27-05 07:32 AM |
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Nothing hurt us more with working class voters |
Ken Burch |
May-27-05 04:59 PM |
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Exactly, the Beltway pundits have NO IDEA how much |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-27-05 05:13 PM |
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These differences are too small to justify different classifications |
ndcohn |
May-27-05 11:20 PM |
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I agreed with the basic points of your post pretty much up until... |
benevolent dictator |
May-29-05 01:32 AM |
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i dont disagree with you |
ndcohn |
May-29-05 07:28 PM |
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But I don't think that supporting a ban on it IS politically expedient. |
benevolent dictator |
May-30-05 04:01 AM |
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Economic Policy Changes |
unlawflcombatnt |
May-27-05 08:31 PM |
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Sure, |
Akno21 |
May-27-05 11:27 PM |
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Maybe if Kerry had reframed those issues instead of letting the |
benevolent dictator |
May-29-05 01:55 AM |
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Important Issues & Irresponsible Media Coverage |
unlawflcombatnt |
May-29-05 06:55 PM |
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I agree that media spin and consolidation is a big problem |
benevolent dictator |
May-30-05 04:14 AM |
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Well said, Akno21 |
caitlyn |
Aug-16-05 12:08 PM |
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These differences are too small to justify different classifications |
ndcohn |
May-28-05 12:16 AM |
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if fair trade continues the practise |
xchrom |
May-28-05 09:51 AM |
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Outsourcing, Slave Labor, & CAFTA |
unlawflcombatnt |
May-29-05 07:06 PM |
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So then Moderates would tend to disagree with this: |
ndcohn |
May-29-05 07:33 PM |
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moderates don't tend to disagree with |
xchrom |
May-30-05 09:43 AM |
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Moderates also don't favor having Democrats try to set the agenda |
Ken Burch |
Jun-03-05 04:35 PM |
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Because this is a conservative country--at best a moderate one. |
geek tragedy |
Jun-06-05 10:01 AM |
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It's kind of funny, progressives and moderates both dislike John Kerry |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-15-05 02:21 AM |
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I don't dislike John Kerry |
ProgressAlwaysWins |
Dec-25-05 03:16 PM |
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Dems took all the wrong lessons from Clinton adminstration |
ACK |
Jun-07-05 05:56 AM |
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Some have a lot to learn!!!!! |
inthebrain |
Jun-07-05 11:57 PM |
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Good point |
ACK |
Jun-08-05 03:12 PM |
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I think we could ease back a bit on gun control but not necessarily |
Ken Burch |
Jun-15-05 06:18 PM |
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Moderates |
ASIANDEMMN2006 |
Jun-13-05 09:34 PM |
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moderates of either party didn't support civil rights, equal rights |
xchrom |
Jun-14-05 04:10 AM |
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Moderates |
ASIANDEMMN2006 |
Jun-14-05 10:59 AM |
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it would be huge -- and nothing would ever happen of significance |
xchrom |
Jun-15-05 02:22 PM |
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I beg to differ.... |
inthebrain |
Jun-15-05 01:12 AM |
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You didn't bring ANY moderates over to us in 2002 and 2004. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-15-05 06:21 PM |
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"Progressive's" record in Presidential races |
wyldwolf |
Jul-04-05 12:09 PM |
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Someone reports having cake, not being able to eat it... |
thegreatwildebeest |
Jul-04-05 11:39 PM |
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Let's analyze, shall we? |
wyldwolf |
Dec-27-05 05:52 PM |
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I just want somebody with PASSION |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-15-05 02:27 AM |
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Why are so called "Progressives" always begging us to beg them? |
NNadir |
Dec-18-05 03:35 PM |
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well, that just about sums it up! |
wyldwolf |
Dec-22-05 04:59 PM |
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I wasn't asking moderates to "beg". |
Ken Burch |
Dec-23-05 06:31 PM |
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Kos owes Dems a big apology |
Politus |
Jan-01-06 11:05 PM |
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KOS is an amatuer |
Moderate Donkey |
Jan-02-06 04:26 PM |
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