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7. Missed the part where someone says what progressives bring.
Go ahead and convince me. You got one state, Florida--what in the progressive agenda is going to do well there?

Maybe you didn't notice that Bush is going to black churches and scaring them with the gay stuff. So if the civil rights consensus is in tatters, is it because or despite of progressives? Maybe more energy should be spent on bread and butter racial issues, employment, education, voting rights--you know, the moderate stuff.

Come on, progressives. Tell me what you have to offer us. Otherwise, we might as well reach out to the center right.
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  -OK moderates, hit us progressives with your best shot Ken Burch  May-26-05 05:31 PM   #0 
  - No. You first.  Inland   May-26-05 05:40 PM   #1 
  - blacks are like what, 13% of the population?  expatriot   May-26-05 05:43 PM   #2 
  - This is demand time. What do progressives have to offer?  Inland   May-26-05 05:50 PM   #4 
     - you BLEW IT in florida. the civil rights consensus  xchrom   May-26-05 06:01 PM   #5 
     - Missed the part where someone says what progressives bring.  Inland   May-26-05 06:08 PM   #7 
        - Its the 1960s, would you throw away equal rights for a dem win?  dbonds   May-26-05 06:29 PM   #10 
        - Not sure how this answers the question.  Inland   May-26-05 07:18 PM   #12 
        - My point was a sense of right and wrong.  dbonds   May-26-05 07:26 PM   #14 
        - Facts, not opinion....  thegreatwildebeest   Jun-12-05 04:41 PM   #67 
        - Arguably, the Kennedys were perfectly willing to do so before 1962 or '63  Ken Burch   May-26-05 07:50 PM   #18 
        - BTW:  dbonds   May-26-05 06:50 PM   #11 
        - The OP didn't ask what was best.  Inland   May-26-05 07:21 PM   #13 
        - OK  dbonds   May-26-05 07:40 PM   #15 
        - First of all Inland, I respect you for engaging the topic...  Ken Burch   May-26-05 07:43 PM   #16 
           - I think your premise is wrong.  Inland   May-26-05 08:50 PM   #21 
              - Unfortunately, the attitude you bring to the table  Ken Burch   May-26-05 09:00 PM   #23 
                 - You could at least offer a progressive foreign policy amongst your planks  Ken Burch   May-26-05 09:10 PM   #25 
                 - But it's the same attitude you brought to the table.  Inland   May-26-05 09:17 PM   #26 
                 - We are much better at grass roots politics  Ken Burch   May-26-05 10:06 PM   #27 
                    - Don't bother arguing...  thegreatwildebeest   Jun-10-05 12:11 AM   #64 
                 - Maybe a strong pro-gay Al Gore brings in more Nader votes  TheFarseer   May-26-05 10:47 PM   #29 
                    - If a moderate is scared away by gay-rights,  benevolent dictator   May-29-05 12:57 AM   #41 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-07-05 09:16 AM   #59 
           - Plenty of people were denied a voice  benevolent dictator   Jun-07-05 06:12 PM   #60 
        - There are a lot of progressive issues with wide popular support  Ken Burch   May-26-05 08:03 PM   #19 
        - TRUE DEMOCRACY and EQUALITY & JUSTICE FOR ALL!  PA Mamma   Jul-05-05 04:49 PM   #78 
     - Principles  Don1   May-28-05 12:04 AM   #37 
     - Haven't you seen and read all of that stuff  benevolent dictator   May-29-05 12:31 AM   #40 
     - Don't need to win elections...  thegreatwildebeest   Jun-12-05 04:08 PM   #66 
        - I know, and I was just addressing the point in #4 about  benevolent dictator   Jun-15-05 02:11 AM   #72 
     - What do moderates offer, except status quo?  saracat   Jun-02-05 03:04 AM   #52 
     - That's pretty uninformed.  Oerdin   Aug-23-05 11:00 PM   #83 
        - The Clintons gave up on universal health insurance  Ken Burch   Aug-25-05 02:24 AM   #84 
     - Accomodate?  inthebrain   Jun-07-05 11:41 PM   #61 
  - Just so I'm clear: you won't support equal rights for GLBT folk...  Zhade   Jun-11-05 09:57 PM   #65 
  - Progressives have a big problem.  Oerdin   Aug-23-05 10:52 PM   #82 
  - So...  salvorhardin   Dec-07-05 02:49 PM   #85 
  - I think the pressure is on you to give something up  TheFarseer   May-26-05 05:45 PM   #3 
  - I'm going to assume you're a straight man  benevolent dictator   May-29-05 01:04 AM   #42 
  - My point was, we gave EVERYTHING up in '92 and '96  Ken Burch   Jun-03-05 06:34 PM   #56 
  - YOU ask specifically each question you want answered, and I will at least  patricia92243   May-26-05 06:06 PM   #6 
  - Going to the middle has not given us an advantage.  dbonds   May-26-05 06:16 PM   #8 
  - I think every one of these points are  LeftofU   Jun-02-05 11:02 PM   #53 
     - Most moderates want to dump gays and women off the back of their platform.  benevolent dictator   Jun-02-05 11:27 PM   #54 
  - I would think that a moderate..  MrSandman   May-26-05 06:20 PM   #9 
  - Potentially, especially if moderates don't start doing everything possible  Ken Burch   May-26-05 07:48 PM   #17 
     - Specifically, who is this J. Doe?  MrSandman   May-26-05 08:19 PM   #20 
        - Duplicate message deleted by sender.  Ken Burch   May-26-05 08:54 PM   # 
        - Give these a try  Ken Burch   May-26-05 08:54 PM   #22 
           - I could get behind Feingold...  MrSandman   May-26-05 09:01 PM   #24 
  - Progressives would LOVE to see moderates emphasize economic issues,  Lydia Leftcoast   May-26-05 10:18 PM   #28 
  - What are the real differences here  ndcohn   May-27-05 01:43 AM   #30 
  - Excellent point and welcome to DU!  MaineDem   May-27-05 07:32 AM   #31 
  - Nothing hurt us more with working class voters  Ken Burch   May-27-05 04:59 PM   #32 
     - Exactly, the Beltway pundits have NO IDEA how much  Lydia Leftcoast   May-27-05 05:13 PM   #33 
     - These differences are too small to justify different classifications  ndcohn   May-27-05 11:20 PM   #35 
        - I agreed with the basic points of your post pretty much up until...  benevolent dictator   May-29-05 01:32 AM   #43 
           - i dont disagree with you  ndcohn   May-29-05 07:28 PM   #47 
              - But I don't think that supporting a ban on it IS politically expedient.  benevolent dictator   May-30-05 04:01 AM   #49 
  - Economic Policy Changes  unlawflcombatnt   May-27-05 08:31 PM   #34 
  - Sure,  Akno21   May-27-05 11:27 PM   #36 
  - Maybe if Kerry had reframed those issues instead of letting the  benevolent dictator   May-29-05 01:55 AM   #44 
  - Important Issues & Irresponsible Media Coverage  unlawflcombatnt   May-29-05 06:55 PM   #45 
     - I agree that media spin and consolidation is a big problem  benevolent dictator   May-30-05 04:14 AM   #50 
  - Well said, Akno21  caitlyn   Aug-16-05 12:08 PM   #81 
  - These differences are too small to justify different classifications  ndcohn   May-28-05 12:16 AM   #38 
  - if fair trade continues the practise  xchrom   May-28-05 09:51 AM   #39 
  - Outsourcing, Slave Labor, & CAFTA  unlawflcombatnt   May-29-05 07:06 PM   #46 
     - So then Moderates would tend to disagree with this:  ndcohn   May-29-05 07:33 PM   #48 
        - moderates don't tend to disagree with  xchrom   May-30-05 09:43 AM   #51 
           - Moderates also don't favor having Democrats try to set the agenda  Ken Burch   Jun-03-05 04:35 PM   #55 
  - Because this is a conservative country--at best a moderate one.  geek tragedy   Jun-06-05 10:01 AM   #57 
  - It's kind of funny, progressives and moderates both dislike John Kerry  Hippo_Tron   Aug-15-05 02:21 AM   #79 
     - I don't dislike John Kerry  ProgressAlwaysWins   Dec-25-05 03:16 PM   #89 
  - Dems took all the wrong lessons from Clinton adminstration  ACK   Jun-07-05 05:56 AM   #58 
  - Some have a lot to learn!!!!!  inthebrain   Jun-07-05 11:57 PM   #62 
  - Good point  ACK   Jun-08-05 03:12 PM   #63 
  - I think we could ease back a bit on gun control but not necessarily  Ken Burch   Jun-15-05 06:18 PM   #74 
  - Moderates  ASIANDEMMN2006   Jun-13-05 09:34 PM   #68 
  - moderates of either party didn't support civil rights, equal rights  xchrom   Jun-14-05 04:10 AM   #69 
  - Moderates  ASIANDEMMN2006   Jun-14-05 10:59 AM   #70 
     - it would be huge -- and nothing would ever happen of significance  xchrom   Jun-15-05 02:22 PM   #73 
  - I beg to differ....  inthebrain   Jun-15-05 01:12 AM   #71 
  - You didn't bring ANY moderates over to us in 2002 and 2004.  Ken Burch   Jun-15-05 06:21 PM   #75 
  - "Progressive's" record in Presidential races  wyldwolf   Jul-04-05 12:09 PM   #76 
  - Someone reports having cake, not being able to eat it...  thegreatwildebeest   Jul-04-05 11:39 PM   #77 
     - Let's analyze, shall we?  wyldwolf   Dec-27-05 05:52 PM   #90 
  - I just want somebody with PASSION  Hippo_Tron   Aug-15-05 02:27 AM   #80 
  - Why are so called "Progressives" always begging us to beg them?  NNadir   Dec-18-05 03:35 PM   #86 
  - well, that just about sums it up!  wyldwolf   Dec-22-05 04:59 PM   #87 
  - I wasn't asking moderates to "beg".  Ken Burch   Dec-23-05 06:31 PM   #88 
  - Kos owes Dems a big apology  Politus   Jan-01-06 11:05 PM   #91 
     - KOS is an amatuer  Moderate Donkey   Jan-02-06 04:26 PM   #92 

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