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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 06:40 PM
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30. The savior/messiah archetype appears repeatedly
throughout the history of literature. The modern science fiction/fantasy genre, like ancient mythology in particular, is full of archetypal characters.

The savior that sacrifices himself for others is a common archetype, and I agree that HP fits the bill.

I pointed out, somewhere on a Mercedes Lackey thread in this forum a couple of years ago, that Vanyel Ashkevron does as well.

If we really start looking, we'll find plenty more. Spock? (The needs of the many....)

Frodo? What do you think?

The real issue, of course, is whether you think the christian christ refers to the real man, Jesus of Nazareth, or the archetype. How much of the story is real, and how much is metaphor? I doubt you'll find agreement in your lifetime.

ANY character referred to as a savior archetype is likely to garner objection from some of the christian groups and individuals; HP is just more likely because he's more universally read and known.
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  -How will the non-Harry Potter fans take to the plot in the Deathly Hallows? SPOILERS The Backlash Cometh  Jul-24-07 08:30 PM   #0 
  - Definite, definite parallels  XemaSab   Jul-24-07 09:39 PM   #1 
  - That's something interesting to think about.  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-24-07 09:59 PM   #2 
     - ~sigh~ blame the jerks, not Jesus  skater314159   Aug-01-07 11:08 AM   #16 
        - That would make a good bumper sticker.  CBHagman   Aug-27-07 01:30 PM   #26 
  - There was an actual church in this book.  Pithy Cherub   Jul-25-07 01:04 AM   #3 
  - I made the same remark about the Chamber of Secrets.  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-25-07 04:00 AM   #4 
  - Harry has a talk with Nearly Headless Nick in book five.  CBHagman   Jul-25-07 09:30 AM   #5 
     - You're right that she left that very open.  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-25-07 01:07 PM   #6 
  - Here is my personal rating...  skater314159   Aug-01-07 11:10 AM   #17 
  - It's funny how different people LOVE different books  XemaSab   Aug-01-07 12:45 PM   #19 
  - Certainly. The end was very New Testament. The RW critics will probably say that  sinkingfeeling   Jul-25-07 02:47 PM   #7 
  - The CofN was incredibly lame.  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-25-07 03:19 PM   #8 
     - CofN *was* lame...  skater314159   Aug-01-07 11:16 AM   #18 
        - I thought the Tory politics were ODIOUS  XemaSab   Aug-01-07 12:47 PM   #20 
           - Yeh... I ignored that... couldn't ignore the horrid theology though n/t  skater314159   Aug-01-07 04:21 PM   #21 
  - Interesting title to that chapter  FloridaJudy   Jul-25-07 06:07 PM   #9 
  - Well, I certainly had not thought of that angle!  CBHagman   Jul-25-07 09:48 PM   #10 
  - And the process of conquest is never easy  eridani   Jul-26-07 12:59 AM   #11 
  - Interesting. Thanks for bringing it up.  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-26-07 07:35 AM   #12 
  - I certainly hadn't made that connection. My thoughts were of King's Cross Station in  sinkingfeeling   Jul-26-07 02:46 PM   #13 
  - Yes, because King's Cross Station is where the Hogwart's Express departs.  Matilda   Jul-26-07 09:42 PM   #14 
  - Exactly my thoughts  Goblinmonger   Jul-31-07 08:38 AM   #15 
  - Sssssshhhh! Let's keep some texts for ourselves :) n/t  skater314159   Aug-01-07 04:23 PM   #22 
  - King's Cross is a railway station in England... reread the chapter. If I remember  1monster   Aug-04-07 07:49 PM   #23 
  - A Christian website that does see the light ....  Matilda   Aug-09-07 07:42 AM   #24 
  - Hang the Fundies.  Matilda   Aug-27-07 03:20 AM   #25 
  - Every time you think dirty thoughts about Snape,  XemaSab   Aug-27-07 03:51 PM   #27 
     - Good grief!  Matilda   Aug-27-07 09:08 PM   #28 
        - I'm series!  XemaSab   Aug-27-07 10:31 PM   #29 
  - The savior/messiah archetype appears repeatedly  LWolf   Aug-28-07 06:40 PM   #30 
     - I could have accepted Harry's death for that reason.  Matilda   Aug-29-07 09:31 PM   #31 
        - I agree.  LWolf   Aug-30-07 08:27 AM   #32 
           - It also further reinforces the theme of love versus power-lust.  CBHagman   Aug-30-07 01:47 PM   #33 
              - Love and Sacrifice are the two dominant themes in the books.  Matilda   Aug-30-07 09:25 PM   #34 

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