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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:24 PM
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27. Checked MF Comments--We Should Not Be Defensive on This
I just read MF's dishonest account of what transpired in the Kerry-bashing thread and note that she mischaracterized what transpired here. We should not be defensive on this.

Some key points:

1) The post was a repost of a review from Democratic Daily of Kos's comments on his book on the primaries. It was certainly an anti-Kos post, but not an attack on Dean as she claims. It was her intrusion here which made this a heated thread. Prior to her intrusion it was calm and had balanced comments on Dean.

2) She claims that I'm waging a war against Dean on my blog. Democratic Daily has not been waging a war on Dean. Many of my posts there on Dean have been supportive of him, and I certainly support his efforts as DNC Chair. I happened to have one Dean post following the Kos post, and it was in agreement with Dean and led to some pro-Dean comments there. Hardly what we would be doing if the intent was to wage a war against Dean. She was told by myself and others repeatedly that the intent was not to attack Dean.

3)Interesting that, after distorting the truth, she writes, "You are in effect calling me a liar, and I don't like it." Part of the way she inflamed the situation was by posting more than once that I was lying about Dean. This is despite the fact that I was quoting newspaper accounts, and she had absolutely no facts to back up her accusations or contradict my facts.

4)I placed the copy of the Democratic Daily post here in the Kerry group as opposed to GD in order to avoid it turning into a heated debate and reviving the Kerry vs. Dean wars. It would make no sense to prohibit such discussion here while anti-Kerry thread are present almost daily in GD, and it would make no sense to have policies which would encourage having posts such as mine in GD as opposed to in the Kerry forum where the risk of argument is reduced.
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  -People, we need to talk again. TayTay  Jan-11-06 11:40 AM   #0 
  - Thanks for the heads up.  MH1   Jan-11-06 11:49 AM   #1 
  - It is possible to support someone.  TayTay   Jan-11-06 11:59 AM   #2 
  - I admit to being a culprit in going after Kerry detractors, but  ProSense   Jan-11-06 12:40 PM   #3 
  - I haven't weighed in because  whometense   Jan-11-06 12:48 PM   #4 
  - Who are you responding to and to serve what end?  TayTay   Jan-11-06 12:56 PM   #6 
     - I agree, and I read the posts  ProSense   Jan-11-06 01:16 PM   #9 
        - Sometimes you take something to PM  TayTay   Jan-11-06 01:31 PM   #12 
           - PMs do serve a purpose  ProSense   Jan-11-06 02:01 PM   #18 
  - I can see what you mean and from the thread  karynnj   Jan-11-06 12:52 PM   #5 
  - It's not about penance  TayTay   Jan-11-06 01:04 PM   #7 
     - Sure we can take harsh questions  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 04:03 PM   #30 
  - Our defense of Kerry is not a consorted effort. We do not come in  wisteria   Jan-11-06 01:12 PM   #8 
  - Not thick at all.  TayTay   Jan-11-06 01:28 PM   #11 
  - Agree--it is MF who stirred things up in both cases  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 04:06 PM   #32 
  - consorted efforts  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 05:43 PM   #40 
  - Since this is obviously intended at least partially at me  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-11-06 01:22 PM   #10 
  - WEL that is the point  TayTay   Jan-11-06 01:40 PM   #13 
     - And that's why I generally avoid GD like the plague  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-11-06 01:51 PM   #15 
        - isn't that the fucking truth  JI7   Jan-11-06 09:58 PM   #58 
        - My hubby, daughter and I donated almost a thousand to the Kerry campaign.  madfloridian   Jan-11-06 10:32 PM   #60 
           - you need to stop coming to this forum  JI7   Jan-11-06 10:42 PM   #61 
           - It's not about whether you supported Kerry  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 10:46 PM   #62 
           - As Ron pointed out below --  kerrygoddess   Jan-11-06 11:33 PM   #63 
  - Is this the John Kerry Forum  fedupinBushcountry   Jan-11-06 01:43 PM   #14 
  - The problem is that we were treading very close to  karynnj   Jan-11-06 01:55 PM   #16 
  - But I think we are well within our rights to discuss and refute smears  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-11-06 01:59 PM   #17 
  - We are within our rights to do that.  TayTay   Jan-11-06 02:04 PM   #19 
  - Well  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-11-06 02:10 PM   #20 
  - Bursting in was definately the problem  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 02:24 PM   #23 
  - The problem with that 2nd paragraph  fedupinBushcountry   Jan-11-06 02:25 PM   #24 
  - Second paragraph definately a problem  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 02:37 PM   #26 
  - Not ok in Kerry forum but ok in GD?  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 02:31 PM   #25 
  - Exactly!  ProSense   Jan-11-06 02:11 PM   #21 
     - Exactly  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-11-06 02:16 PM   #22 
  - Checked MF Comments--We Should Not Be Defensive on This  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 03:24 PM   #27 
  - Respose posted to MF  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 03:45 PM   #29 
     - Um...  kerrygoddess   Jan-11-06 05:08 PM   #37 
        - You missed a lot  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 05:39 PM   #38 
           - I'm glad I missed this  kerrygoddess   Jan-11-06 06:56 PM   #50 
  - I tend to agree with you. There are to be better ways to deal with these  Mass   Jan-11-06 03:28 PM   #28 
  - I post on those threads for one reason only -to balance out the  wisteria   Jan-11-06 04:17 PM   #34 
  - What happen??  sandnsea   Jan-11-06 04:04 PM   #31 
  - A brief recap  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 04:14 PM   #33 
     - I see now  sandnsea   Jan-11-06 05:42 PM   #39 
     - It will never totally end  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 05:49 PM   #41 
     - Uhm, well,  sandnsea   Jan-11-06 06:44 PM   #48 
     - The Carville/Begala book  karynnj   Jan-11-06 09:09 PM   #54 
        - True, true, true  TayTay   Jan-11-06 09:26 PM   #55 
        - Carville/Begala  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 09:44 PM   #56 
     - I agree the reply was overly-sensitive, but I have tried to point out that  blm   Jan-11-06 06:09 PM   #42 
        - Thank you.  MH1   Jan-11-06 06:20 PM   #43 
        - heh....for a couple years here at DU, no one battled more than me and Andy  blm   Jan-11-06 06:28 PM   #44 
           - Andy?  MH1   Jan-11-06 10:05 PM   #59 
              - Yep - Andy was originally, Godbushandcheney  blm   Jan-12-06 09:57 AM   #77 
                 - That is both sweet and bitter.  TayTay   Jan-12-06 10:00 AM   #78 
        - But  fedupinBushcountry   Jan-11-06 06:30 PM   #45 
        - But, the initial motivation for coming here was her suspicion that there  blm   Jan-11-06 06:36 PM   #46 
           - Went to far  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 07:17 PM   #51 
              - Overly emotional almost always pushes too far.  blm   Jan-11-06 07:22 PM   #52 
                 - I think the attempts were made  Dr Ron   Jan-11-06 07:40 PM   #53 
        - I agree that the poster is overly sensitive.  ProSense   Jan-11-06 06:41 PM   #47 
           - See my post above -  blm   Jan-11-06 06:51 PM   #49 
  - Who's Skinner?  sandrakae   Jan-11-06 04:29 PM   #35 
  - The administrator of DU n/t  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-11-06 04:30 PM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-11-06 09:56 PM   #57 
  - No matter how angry you are with this poster  karynnj   Jan-11-06 11:49 PM   #64 
     - J17, I would miss you if you got banned.  BlueIris   Jan-12-06 01:40 AM   #67 
  - After reading all the replies to this thread  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-12-06 12:02 AM   #65 
  - So though we supported Kerry and donated.  madfloridian   Jan-12-06 01:52 AM   #68 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-06 02:02 AM   #69 
  - Did you come in here to express your support for Kerry?  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-12-06 02:07 AM   #70 
  - MadFlo *HAS*  MH1   Jan-12-06 08:07 AM   #74 
     - MH1 has it exactly right, imo.  blm   Jan-12-06 10:04 AM   #79 
     - What would John do?  kerrygoddess   Jan-12-06 10:25 AM   #81 
     - I agree MH1  saracat   Jan-12-06 01:08 PM   #82 
        - Not really the main issue  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 02:03 PM   #85 
           - I just think we all have better things to do than engaging in this.  saracat   Jan-12-06 02:16 PM   #86 
  - I'm sorry  fedupinBushcountry   Jan-12-06 06:19 AM   #71 
  - Sigh! Democrats.  TayTay   Jan-12-06 07:50 AM   #72 
  - That's exactly what I think Kerry would advise us to do if he were here.  blm   Jan-12-06 10:06 AM   #80 
  - Still miss the point  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 08:05 AM   #73 
  - Other alternatives  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 08:25 AM   #76 
  - I didn't know Skinner considered us an issue. Nothing against Skinner,  BlueIris   Jan-12-06 01:35 AM   #66 
  - Maybe Skinner should be involved in this discussion  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 08:18 AM   #75 
  - I'm curious  paulk   Jan-12-06 01:32 PM   #83 
     - Good question  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 01:55 PM   #84 
     - Skinner has dome into this group and posted requests  TayTay   Jan-12-06 02:17 PM   #87 
        - I don't think, in this instance, it's the Kerry forum that's fanning the  paulk   Jan-12-06 02:55 PM   #88 
        - Different situation  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 03:01 PM   #89 
           - I'm not sorry it owrked out this way though.  TayTay   Jan-12-06 03:04 PM   #90 
              - I don't like ganging up on people either  politicasista   Jan-12-06 03:08 PM   #91 
              - I do too!  TayTay   Jan-12-06 03:11 PM   #92 
              - Are people ganging up on  ProSense   Jan-12-06 03:50 PM   #94 
              - Ganging Up and the rules  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 04:21 PM   #96 
              - You are right  fedupinBushcountry   Jan-12-06 05:01 PM   #97 
              - I kind of resent the implication here  WildEyedLiberal   Jan-12-06 06:20 PM   #98 
                 - Should we have alerted a moderator from the beginning?  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 07:02 PM   #99 
              - That's proper for visiting other candidate forums  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 03:50 PM   #95 
              - As long as you are happy with how it turned out  Dr Ron   Jan-12-06 03:48 PM   #93 
                 - Yeah, we aired our differences and completely hashed out  TayTay   Jan-12-06 08:10 PM   #100 

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