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27. Here's an interesting piece from TPM

Are Obama's "New" Politics Really New?

By Greg Sargent - December 19, 2008, 2:25PM

Glenn Greenwald has an interesting post about the Rick Warren mess, which he uses as a jumping off point to argue that Barack Obama's "new" politics isn't really new at all.

Greenwald's basic point is that Obama's efforts to placate the right by picking Warren -- and the effort to get the left to scream that pundits have claimed was behind the decision -- isn't really different from the bait-the-left politics that Democrats have practiced for decades now. And they simply haven't worked.

As proof, he points out that Bill Clinton all but perfected the art of baiting the left and throwing cultural bones to the right, and all he got to show for it from Republicans was "hatred so undiluted that it led to endless investigations" and "accusations whose ugliness was boundless."

That's true. But there is an important way that Obama's politics is new, and the landscape is different from 1992 in key ways that give him an opening to use his own brand of politics to disarm the right and potentially clear the way for big progressive achievements.

Warning: I'm making this case at some length.

As this blog argued recently, one thing Obama's victory represented was a potential death blow to the 1960s-rooted cultural politics that has held sway for the last four decades of the 20th Century. It's telling that Obama defeated both of the leading practitioners of this brand of politics -- the Clinton machine, and the Rovians who hijacked the McCain campaign -- by explicitly running against politics as they practiced it.

Obama won the primary, and in the general election he succeeded in disarming the power of the right's narratives by employing not just a standard claim that he's above partisanship, but by making a new political argument: Only someone who had not gotten caught up in the cultural and political wars of the 1960s could achieve the sort of transformation of our politics that this historical moment demands.

It's true that in a narrow sense, efforts to placate the right by picking Warren doesn't represent a "new" politics, as Greenwald says. But the Warren mess aside, Obama is and has been making a larger argument than simply saying that partisanship is bad and that we need to unify.

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  -Some reflections as the year comes to an end beachmom  Dec-18-08 10:04 PM   #0 
  - Error: You can't recommend threads from this forum  JoeIsOneOfUs   Dec-18-08 11:44 PM   #1 
  - You echo my thoughts exactly  WildEyedLiberal   Dec-19-08 01:54 AM   #2 
  - I agree with you and beachmom, but JK will get the recognition he deserves  MBS   Dec-19-08 06:35 AM   #3 
     - As to writing about John Kerry's work, I have no choice in the matter.  beachmom   Dec-19-08 07:35 AM   #4 
  - I think I am with you, but could never have expressed it as well  karynnj   Dec-19-08 09:03 AM   #5 
  - I think Hillary would not commit to the SoS job in Sept.  beachmom   Dec-19-08 09:31 AM   #7 
     - That is interesting  karynnj   Dec-19-08 10:13 AM   #10 
  - Just a quick few points before I leave.  Mass   Dec-19-08 09:22 AM   #6 
  - I agree with most of this, but have a slightly different take on this:  ProSense   Dec-19-08 09:50 AM   #8 
  - Well, the betrayal was not that Obama didn't pick Kerry for SoS.  beachmom   Dec-19-08 10:33 AM   #11 
  - So, why are we here? And what do you believe?  TayTay   Dec-19-08 09:57 AM   #9 
  - The answer is I don't know. And I think part of the struggle is giving  beachmom   Dec-19-08 10:45 AM   #12 
     - When did this happen:  ProSense   Dec-19-08 11:18 AM   #13 
     - I disagree with what you have said.  TayTay   Dec-19-08 11:32 AM   #14 
     - Thank you Tay n/t  sandnsea   Dec-19-08 12:18 PM   #15 
     - It was not "someone in his transition team" who knocked dkos. It was Obama himself:  beachmom   Dec-19-08 12:59 PM   #16 
     - This piece is from 2006.  ProSense   Dec-19-08 01:09 PM   #18 
        - I know it's from 2006. I doubt he has changed his mind on dkos.  beachmom   Dec-19-08 01:11 PM   #19 
           - That single statement from 2006 simply doesn't  ProSense   Dec-19-08 01:24 PM   #21 
              - Yes, but that was for campaigning. Of course, he will reach out when  beachmom   Dec-19-08 01:30 PM   #22 
                 - He reached out in 2005, that was not campaigning. n/t  ProSense   Dec-19-08 01:34 PM   #24 
     - I don't want to be yet another Liberal Interest Group.  beachmom   Dec-19-08 01:20 PM   #20 
        - You don't have to be, that's the beauty.  ProSense   Dec-19-08 01:33 PM   #23 
     - I agree with alot of what you say here, and it was basically the topic of discussion I had with my  Mass   Dec-19-08 01:08 PM   #17 
        - I think we should criticize.  TayTay   Dec-19-08 01:43 PM   #26 
  - I am not the only one struggling with all of this. Read this poignant  beachmom   Dec-19-08 01:39 PM   #25 
  - Here's an interesting piece from TPM  ProSense   Dec-19-08 01:59 PM   #27 
  - The Obama moment is not about Obama  TayTay   Dec-19-08 01:59 PM   #28 
  - I agree that it's not about Obama  MBS   Dec-20-08 09:00 AM   #33 
  - I think Obama IS different...  YvonneCa   Dec-20-08 03:07 PM   #36 
  - Speak of the devil, the netroots is beginning to grapple with the changes  beachmom   Dec-19-08 02:41 PM   #29 
  - Change.gov shuts down discussion:  beachmom   Dec-19-08 06:44 PM   #30 
  - True - not even during the awful time after the media distorted Kerry's skipping a word in a joke  karynnj   Dec-19-08 06:55 PM   #31 
  - Every blog post was closed  sandnsea   Dec-19-08 07:24 PM   #32 
  - This thread is very depressing. n/t  YvonneCa   Dec-20-08 11:53 AM   #34 
  - As the year comes to an end for me, I am really...  YvonneCa   Dec-20-08 02:29 PM   #35 
  - I am bothered to, but in a different way  TayTay   Dec-20-08 08:08 PM   #37 
  - Great post. Thanks for taking the time...  YvonneCa   Dec-20-08 09:17 PM   #38 
     - Yes, exactly so  TayTay   Dec-20-08 09:29 PM   #40 
        - Bush "disinvited the people from their own government"...  YvonneCa   Dec-20-08 10:03 PM   #41 
  - I agree that this thread is very depressing, but it is a combination of many things.  Mass   Dec-20-08 09:26 PM   #39 
  - Thanks for this. I agree with everything you said. I also...  YvonneCa   Dec-20-08 10:14 PM   #42 
  - I will be there. Being part of an Obama team was too important to me  LittleClarkie   Dec-23-08 09:22 PM   #61 
  - Lest we look a gift horse in the mouth...  ginnyinWI   Dec-21-08 02:10 AM   #43 
  - Excellent, excellent, EXCELLENT post! You said so...  YvonneCa   Dec-21-08 12:43 PM   #44 
     - aw, thanks.  ginnyinWI   Dec-21-08 12:58 PM   #45 
        - Stay warm...  YvonneCa   Dec-21-08 01:03 PM   #46 
           - you could say that!  ginnyinWI   Dec-21-08 03:14 PM   #49 
              - And I complain when we hit...  YvonneCa   Dec-21-08 04:04 PM   #50 
              - In hunkering mode as well  Inuca   Dec-21-08 04:24 PM   #51 
                 - I haven't cut into it yet --needs to chill overnight in the fridge.  ginnyinWI   Dec-22-08 12:16 AM   #53 
                    - That looks DELICIOUS...  YvonneCa   Dec-22-08 10:55 AM   #58 
  - Thanks to all for the thought provoking reading  Inuca   Dec-21-08 01:44 PM   #47 
  - You describe well the ambivalence...  YvonneCa   Dec-21-08 02:07 PM   #48 
     - Ambivalence is fine  TayTay   Dec-21-08 05:21 PM   #52 
        - true  ginnyinWI   Dec-22-08 12:32 AM   #54 
           - your personal story is very apt  MBS   Dec-22-08 08:07 AM   #55 
              - yes and even more so because he's relatively new  ginnyinWI   Dec-22-08 09:37 AM   #56 
                 - It is a positive. And I agree...  YvonneCa   Dec-22-08 10:52 AM   #57 
                    - A lot of people struggle what being president of all the people mean.  Mass   Dec-22-08 11:15 AM   #59 
                       - Great post. I think we agree. :) About the...  YvonneCa   Dec-22-08 11:44 AM   #60 
  - How is everybody feeling these days? I just re-read this...  YvonneCa   Feb-20-09 12:48 PM   #62 
     - It is a great thread  TayTay   Feb-20-09 04:37 PM   #63 
     - Very heartfelt. I think that's really...  YvonneCa   Feb-21-09 11:52 AM   #65 
     - Keeping fingers crossed and  Inuca   Feb-21-09 08:14 AM   #64 
        - I get an 'inner smile', too, when I hear or write...  YvonneCa   Feb-21-09 11:56 AM   #66 
 

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