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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:31 PM
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8. provocative points
I agree about the "Mate" scenario. There is no rational approach that works. I also agree that the believer is childlike and inevitably becomes angry when their belief is challenged.

Is there any clinical evidence or academic pursuit of the notion that the need to believe is "...a regression to childhood."

At the risk of opening a physiology-versus-analysis can of worms, It almost seems innate to the primate brain to me. Like we have a missing bit of wiring that creates a hole in our ability to parse reality, but also the creative capacity to "fill in the blanks" with whatever material is at hand. If this were true, then religion propagates itself by providing carefully evolved and adaptable raw "filler" material for each new generation. When its "truth" is challenged, as by science, it simply changes the prevailing interpretation. When the challenge reaches the point where no further stretching of interpretation is possible, funcamentalism rises and religion starts killing the challengers.

But why, then, would many of us not fall for the "filler"?
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  -if one is suspicious or unaccepting of religious indoctrination leftofthedial  Dec-07-04 08:10 PM   #0 
  - Interesting question.  Philostopher   Dec-07-04 08:29 PM   #1 
  - if one IS accepting of religious dogma (cognitive dissonance)  leftofthedial   Dec-07-04 08:32 PM   #2 
  - I guess I wandered off the subject -- sorry!  Philostopher   Dec-07-04 08:38 PM   #3 
  - no, I think you were still on topic  leftofthedial   Dec-07-04 08:44 PM   #4 
  - Agree. The original question, not necessarily, but I think the  NCevilDUer   Jan-13-05 04:54 PM   #20 
  - Rationality (as opposed to "religiosity")  leftofthedial   Dec-07-04 08:46 PM   #5 
  - Emphatic Yes.  fshrink   Dec-07-04 09:19 PM   #6 
  - provocative points  leftofthedial   Dec-07-04 11:31 PM   #8 
  - Clinical research is pathetic!  fshrink   Dec-08-04 12:15 AM   #10 
     - so a "critical sense" and ability to accept that reality is nuanced  leftofthedial   Dec-08-04 12:19 AM   #12 
        - I don't see any... aside from education. However,  fshrink   Dec-08-04 09:35 AM   #14 
  - Excellent analysis. Thank you.  ccbombs   Dec-08-04 05:14 AM   #13 
  - OTOH, successful reframing could bring their believer over to  NCevilDUer   Jan-13-05 05:04 PM   #21 
  - That question inspired a little search  progressoid   Dec-07-04 11:19 PM   #7 
  - I wonder what issues unite the "independents"  leftofthedial   Dec-07-04 11:32 PM   #9 
  - That's what 'politicat' was talking about somewhere below.  fshrink   Dec-08-04 12:19 AM   #11 
  - Does it make one less susceptible to tinfoil conspiracy beliefs?  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Dec-08-04 12:49 PM   #15 
  - I'm an atheist  leftofthedial   Dec-08-04 03:20 PM   #16 
  - Read classic sociological study "The Authoritarian Personality"  American Tragedy   Jan-08-05 12:34 AM   #17 
  - There are actualy studies suggesting skepticism is a neurological trait  Az   Jan-08-05 12:45 AM   #18 
  - It goes to the "questioning" mindset  lapislzi   Jan-12-05 06:48 PM   #19 
  - your last sentence hits the nail on the head  leftofthedial   Jan-13-05 05:46 PM   #22 
  - Yes. nt  BlueEyedSon   Jan-14-05 02:57 AM   #23 
 

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