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Tue Apr-11-06 04:00 AM
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nightmare. I don't think Harris' point is to slam Islam harder than Xianity. It's just that Islam currently has fewer checks on its influence in some places. That could, of course, change.
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| -Let's talk about Sam Harris's End of Faith. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:33 AM |
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All religious fundamentalists are bad |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 12:19 PM |
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Harris is wrong. Dead is dead. Fundies are fundies, no matter |
Warpy |
Apr-09-06 12:20 PM |
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Thanks Warpy |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 12:25 PM |
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I want to hear more from onager. Anyone wish to summon him? |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 01:47 PM |
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I don't know any "sane" Christians, except for a few on DU. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 01:59 PM |
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But religious beliefs themselves are not insanity |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 02:08 PM |
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No, the beliefs themselves are not insanity. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 09:14 PM |
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How do you beat that? |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 09:34 PM |
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I was heavily indoctrinated and managed to get out. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:13 PM |
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And that's the way it should be! |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 11:20 PM |
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My initial thoughts... |
progressoid |
Apr-09-06 12:52 PM |
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Harris contends that it may be impossible for Islam to grow up. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 01:54 PM |
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The Hadith codifies all the tribal bullshit |
Warpy |
Apr-09-06 07:52 PM |
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Thanks for the information. I grew up in strict fundy Christianity, |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 10:41 PM |
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Well, I haven't read the book yet |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-09-06 03:28 PM |
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TallahasseeGrannie... |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 03:38 PM |
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Somebody bless you! |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-09-06 04:36 PM |
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Yeah, she's pretty brave to come in here. :) |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:06 PM |
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Brave? Nah |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-10-06 07:37 AM |
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It could be ethnocentrism. Regardless, I've been a bit surprised by |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:05 PM |
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I agree |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-10-06 07:41 AM |
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Right now the US is definitely the bully and that makes me ashamed. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 02:14 AM |
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I think fundamentalist Islam, in its most extreme current forms, is |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 05:11 AM |
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Elohim City |
Warpy |
Apr-10-06 09:59 AM |
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Fortunately, "Elohim City" is not a real city, state or nation. |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 06:31 PM |
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Elohim City IS a real city |
Warpy |
Apr-11-06 01:42 PM |
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I know it's a white separatist loony compound. But a "city"? |
unschooler |
Apr-16-06 03:46 AM |
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Sam Harris is an anti-theist |
toddaa |
Apr-09-06 04:38 PM |
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I'm nearly an "anti-theist" myself, but I'm not agreeing with a lot of |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 10:52 PM |
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I forgot to mention earlier |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 07:57 PM |
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I'm about 1/3 of the way through the book |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Apr-10-06 12:29 AM |
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I was surprised too. |
ozone_man |
Apr-10-06 09:53 PM |
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Christianity did undergo moderation |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Apr-11-06 12:19 AM |
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True there has been a backlash. |
ozone_man |
Apr-11-06 10:41 AM |
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Living under ANY theocratic fundmentalist regime would be a |
unschooler |
Apr-11-06 04:00 AM |
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He makes the distinction |
ozone_man |
Apr-11-06 10:13 AM |
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LH summoned me, and here I am! |
onager |
Apr-10-06 05:08 AM |
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Thanks, Onager, my experience has been equivalent |
Warpy |
Apr-10-06 10:16 AM |
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Harris and Dawkins both argue that moderate religionists are |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 06:40 PM |
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I would rather them NOT take those sacred texts seriously. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 11:42 AM |
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Thanks for the information, onager. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 02:51 AM |
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Inner libido, you say? |
onager |
Apr-11-06 03:54 PM |
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There is a relatively recent example |
Lurking_Argyle |
Apr-10-06 08:33 AM |
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That's Sam Harris' point. The U.S. constitution prevents such |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 06:33 PM |
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If the fundies took over, the constitution would be changed. n/t. |
Random_Australian |
Apr-10-06 08:12 PM |
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Certainly true. |
unschooler |
Apr-11-06 03:53 AM |
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Just off the top of my head... |
GOPFighter |
Apr-11-06 10:51 AM |
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Another problem: Sam Harris's speculation about an afterlife and the idea |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 11:32 AM |
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I didn't realize Harris was a mystic |
salvorhardin |
Apr-11-06 11:51 AM |
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Harris has a rather superficial understanding of Eastern mysticism |
toddaa |
Apr-16-06 08:43 AM |
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I don't think he's right about that |
ozone_man |
Apr-11-06 12:27 PM |
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Harris' premises are anti-monotheism and anti "book" religion. |
unschooler |
Apr-16-06 03:48 AM |
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I read the book and did not come away with many... |
Finder |
Apr-15-06 03:35 PM |
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