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Sun Apr-09-06 01:59 PM
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| 7. I don't know any "sane" Christians, except for a few on DU. |
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The ones I know are all biblical literists, creationists and supporters of *. Sometimes I feel like I'm strangling in this environment because these otherwise "decent" people can support evil acts and turn on you in a second if they feel their faith demands it or is being threatened.
I've long admired and agreed with a Steven Weinberg quote Dawkins recited in his two-part series The Root of All Evil?: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
So, I guess I do believe religion can make people insane and do insane things they otherwise might not have done.
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| -Let's talk about Sam Harris's End of Faith. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:33 AM |
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All religious fundamentalists are bad |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 12:19 PM |
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Harris is wrong. Dead is dead. Fundies are fundies, no matter |
Warpy |
Apr-09-06 12:20 PM |
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Thanks Warpy |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 12:25 PM |
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I want to hear more from onager. Anyone wish to summon him? |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 01:47 PM |
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I don't know any "sane" Christians, except for a few on DU. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 01:59 PM |
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But religious beliefs themselves are not insanity |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 02:08 PM |
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No, the beliefs themselves are not insanity. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 09:14 PM |
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How do you beat that? |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 09:34 PM |
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I was heavily indoctrinated and managed to get out. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:13 PM |
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And that's the way it should be! |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 11:20 PM |
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My initial thoughts... |
progressoid |
Apr-09-06 12:52 PM |
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Harris contends that it may be impossible for Islam to grow up. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 01:54 PM |
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The Hadith codifies all the tribal bullshit |
Warpy |
Apr-09-06 07:52 PM |
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Thanks for the information. I grew up in strict fundy Christianity, |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 10:41 PM |
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Well, I haven't read the book yet |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-09-06 03:28 PM |
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TallahasseeGrannie... |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 03:38 PM |
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Somebody bless you! |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-09-06 04:36 PM |
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Yeah, she's pretty brave to come in here. :) |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:06 PM |
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Brave? Nah |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-10-06 07:37 AM |
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It could be ethnocentrism. Regardless, I've been a bit surprised by |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 11:05 PM |
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I agree |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Apr-10-06 07:41 AM |
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Right now the US is definitely the bully and that makes me ashamed. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 02:14 AM |
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I think fundamentalist Islam, in its most extreme current forms, is |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 05:11 AM |
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Elohim City |
Warpy |
Apr-10-06 09:59 AM |
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Fortunately, "Elohim City" is not a real city, state or nation. |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 06:31 PM |
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Elohim City IS a real city |
Warpy |
Apr-11-06 01:42 PM |
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I know it's a white separatist loony compound. But a "city"? |
unschooler |
Apr-16-06 03:46 AM |
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Sam Harris is an anti-theist |
toddaa |
Apr-09-06 04:38 PM |
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I'm nearly an "anti-theist" myself, but I'm not agreeing with a lot of |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-09-06 10:52 PM |
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I forgot to mention earlier |
salvorhardin |
Apr-09-06 07:57 PM |
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I'm about 1/3 of the way through the book |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Apr-10-06 12:29 AM |
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I was surprised too. |
ozone_man |
Apr-10-06 09:53 PM |
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Christianity did undergo moderation |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Apr-11-06 12:19 AM |
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True there has been a backlash. |
ozone_man |
Apr-11-06 10:41 AM |
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Living under ANY theocratic fundmentalist regime would be a |
unschooler |
Apr-11-06 04:00 AM |
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He makes the distinction |
ozone_man |
Apr-11-06 10:13 AM |
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LH summoned me, and here I am! |
onager |
Apr-10-06 05:08 AM |
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Thanks, Onager, my experience has been equivalent |
Warpy |
Apr-10-06 10:16 AM |
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Harris and Dawkins both argue that moderate religionists are |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 06:40 PM |
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I would rather them NOT take those sacred texts seriously. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 11:42 AM |
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Thanks for the information, onager. |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 02:51 AM |
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Inner libido, you say? |
onager |
Apr-11-06 03:54 PM |
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There is a relatively recent example |
Lurking_Argyle |
Apr-10-06 08:33 AM |
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That's Sam Harris' point. The U.S. constitution prevents such |
unschooler |
Apr-10-06 06:33 PM |
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If the fundies took over, the constitution would be changed. n/t. |
Random_Australian |
Apr-10-06 08:12 PM |
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Certainly true. |
unschooler |
Apr-11-06 03:53 AM |
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Just off the top of my head... |
GOPFighter |
Apr-11-06 10:51 AM |
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Another problem: Sam Harris's speculation about an afterlife and the idea |
Ladyhawk |
Apr-11-06 11:32 AM |
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I didn't realize Harris was a mystic |
salvorhardin |
Apr-11-06 11:51 AM |
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Harris has a rather superficial understanding of Eastern mysticism |
toddaa |
Apr-16-06 08:43 AM |
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I don't think he's right about that |
ozone_man |
Apr-11-06 12:27 PM |
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Harris' premises are anti-monotheism and anti "book" religion. |
unschooler |
Apr-16-06 03:48 AM |
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I read the book and did not come away with many... |
Finder |
Apr-15-06 03:35 PM |
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