ZombieHorde
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Tue Aug-02-11 05:16 PM
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"the arbitrary naming of it as part of the border between the US and Mexico is imaginary."
I completely agree that location exists. The area is real, but the border is a human agreement. All borders are agreements. Wolves create borders with their urine, but we don't recognize their borders, and wolves don't recognize our boarders.
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| -Imaginary things even many skeptics believe in. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-14-11 12:17 PM |
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I disagree |
TZ |
Jul-14-11 01:03 PM |
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I did not claim, and I do not believe abstract concepts are imaginary. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-14-11 01:23 PM |
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Isn't anything measurable real? |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Jul-14-11 04:35 PM |
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Let's examine it. Will you pick one and talk about how you would measure it? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-14-11 05:20 PM |
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I've never understood the appeal of virgins. |
laconicsax |
Jul-14-11 04:41 PM |
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explanation is easy |
lazarus |
Jul-14-11 07:10 PM |
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Apparently, Jihadist Muslims would kill for a pack of inexperienced lovers. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-14-11 09:20 PM |
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I understand it perfectly |
TZ |
Jul-15-11 07:01 AM |
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Political borders |
semillama |
Jul-15-11 11:40 AM |
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Good one. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-15-11 01:00 PM |
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etc for the ones delinated by natural features like rivers and oceans. |
TZ |
Jul-15-11 02:02 PM |
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The border of any country is imaginary. People who think they are measuring actual boarders |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-02-11 05:04 PM |
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Are you saying that the Rio Grande is imaginary, or... |
laconicsax |
Aug-02-11 05:11 PM |
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I am saying... |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-02-11 05:16 PM |
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free will |
enki23 |
Jul-15-11 07:10 PM |
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Amen |
jberryhill |
Jul-18-11 09:25 PM |
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7. A coherent self. |
Odin2005 |
Jul-15-11 08:01 PM |
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Snuffleupagus |
Deep13 |
Jul-15-11 10:38 PM |
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The value of money |
jberryhill |
Jul-18-11 09:24 PM |
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The shared belief and resulting agreement makes it real. |
laconicsax |
Jul-18-11 10:58 PM |
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The value is entirely imaginary |
jberryhill |
Jul-18-11 11:09 PM |
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Bad analogy. |
laconicsax |
Jul-19-11 12:03 AM |
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"it's legitimacy as having value is backed by law" |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-23-11 10:31 PM |
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You've defined imaginary as 'only existing in our imagination.' |
laconicsax |
Jul-24-11 12:06 AM |
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Those things don't exist outside of our imaginations. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-24-11 02:14 AM |
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No longer existant does not mean never existed. |
laconicsax |
Jul-24-11 05:04 PM |
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"No longer existant does not mean never existed." |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-25-11 02:01 PM |
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Imaginary things can have real results; e.g., religion. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-23-11 10:27 PM |
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Is it my imagination that I can exchange money for goods and services? |
laconicsax |
Jul-23-11 11:50 PM |
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No, but the amount and type of goods and services you can aquire with money |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-24-11 02:28 AM |
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I think you mean artificial, not imaginary. |
laconicsax |
Jul-24-11 05:06 PM |
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I think artificial constructs only exist in our imaginations. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-25-11 01:46 PM |
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"Imagination," "imaginary," "imagined," etc. are inadequate terms for this discussion. |
laconicsax |
Jul-25-11 05:14 PM |
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Gods and imaginary friends may be very different from person to person, |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-26-11 01:32 PM |
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This will quickly become semantics but to me imaginary does not equal nonexistent. |
dmallind |
Jul-22-11 11:24 AM |
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"Laws certainly exist in tangible written form, data bits, etc," |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-23-11 10:24 PM |
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I have to ask you to name something that truly does exist, by your criteria |
Orrex |
Jul-23-11 11:56 PM |
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If something can be, even if no one knows about it, then it is real. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-24-11 02:40 AM |
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Is the number 3 real? |
Orrex |
Jul-24-11 06:37 AM |
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The concept of the number three is a real concept, but there is no three. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-24-11 11:21 AM |
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I disagree, and you're still equivocating |
Orrex |
Jul-24-11 12:30 PM |
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"Government is an aritifical construct imbued by its creators" |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-24-11 01:14 PM |
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Explain to me what you mean by a "real concept" |
Orrex |
Jul-24-11 08:14 PM |
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"Explain to me what you mean by a "real concept" |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-25-11 01:41 PM |
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You just contradicted yourself. |
trotsky |
Jul-26-11 09:43 AM |
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An honest mistake on my part. Why reinvent the wheel? Let's look at the dictionary. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-26-11 01:42 PM |
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OK, you pick the definition(s) you want to use. |
trotsky |
Jul-26-11 01:55 PM |
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OK. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-26-11 02:44 PM |
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Ah, now you're shifting your equivocation to the word "imaginary." |
trotsky |
Jul-27-11 06:10 AM |
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I started my OP with the word imaginary. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-27-11 10:18 AM |
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Jul-27-11 10:27 AM |
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Seriously, dude? |
trotsky |
Jul-27-11 02:41 PM |
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Fallacious arguments make me sad. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-28-11 01:43 AM |
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On that we completely agree. n/t |
trotsky |
Jul-28-11 06:05 AM |
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That, by the way, was the opener to my international law class |
jberryhill |
Aug-08-11 12:33 AM |
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To my fellow skeptics. |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-27-11 12:19 PM |
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Isn't one major point really that imaginary things might still be useful? |
greyl |
Jul-28-11 12:02 AM |
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I agree, imaginary things can be very useful. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-28-11 01:44 AM |
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Several people have answered your questions already. |
Orrex |
Jul-29-11 12:26 PM |
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I am not trying to equate real and tangible. Where is love? |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-02-11 04:50 PM |
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But you have claimed that thoughts are real |
Orrex |
Aug-03-11 01:28 PM |
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in a sense, they aren't imaginary. they're behavior. |
enki23 |
Aug-01-11 10:02 AM |
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Do you think that pain is imaginary? |
Jim__ |
Jul-29-11 09:36 AM |
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Good points and the arguments he has been making |
TZ |
Jul-29-11 12:08 PM |
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I would love to see a clear list of the logical fallacies I am using, and teling me |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-02-11 05:11 PM |
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Would you feel better if, rather than calling your argument illogical, we called it nonsensical? |
Orrex |
Aug-03-11 12:55 AM |
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Sense is imaginary. |
laconicsax |
Aug-03-11 02:38 AM |
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Do you really not understand agreements don't exist outside of the imagination? |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-03-11 11:35 AM |
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I understand that perfectly. |
laconicsax |
Aug-03-11 01:58 PM |
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Oh, sorry. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-03-11 02:13 PM |
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. |
Orrex |
Aug-03-11 07:29 PM |
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Perhaps a concrete example will help you out. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-03-11 11:33 AM |
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"Would you classify pain as imaginary?" |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-02-11 04:56 PM |
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Do you think pain exists outside of our imagination? If so, where does it exist? |
Jim__ |
Aug-03-11 04:57 PM |
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My wife teaches anatomy, so I asked her what pain is. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-05-11 12:08 PM |
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"A witch's love spell may have specific trappings and words, but that doesn't make the spell any ... |
Jim__ |
Aug-07-11 10:07 AM |
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An important distinction not made simply by using the word "imaginary"... |
Silent3 |
Aug-16-11 03:20 PM |
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+1 |
laconicsax |
Aug-16-11 04:30 PM |
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Can you explain what you mean by... |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-21-11 03:55 PM |
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