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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 02:52 AM
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33. Because...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 02:53 AM by LeftishBrit
(a) You are implying that our or our relatives' illnesses are the result of personal weaknesses or even something we've/ they've *chosen*.

(b) You are implying that we should NOT have a right to the medical care which revolutionizes our quality of life, and in some cases has saved our lives. Of course, no one should be *obliged* to accept any medical treatment if they feel that the cure is worse than the disease. However, people should also not be put under pressure, for some ideological reason, to NOT accept medical treatment. It's like saying that your ideology trumps our health needs.

(c) Think of things that others have said about health when in the grip of somewhat different ideologies:

The Reagan nominee to the Health Department who wrote that disabled people don't deserve government assistance, as they must be being punished by God for some sin.

Rush Limbaugh and others dismissing the needs of people with Parkinson's disease, because they felt stem cell research was immoral.

Michael Savage saying that 99% of autistic children are just naughty and need more discipline.

Do you find these offensive? If so, do you think it might be found similarly offensive to dismiss the needs of people with health problems as the result of a lack of 'personal strength' and to imply that they are wrong in taking advantage of whatever treatments are available?

(Yes, CD, I know I've lost a couple of points by now!)

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  - You should post it right now  Orrex   Jun-17-08 08:23 PM   #1 
  - I hate you.  turtlensue   Jun-17-08 08:39 PM   #3 
     - Aw, shucks!  Orrex   Jun-17-08 08:42 PM   #4 
  - here's hoping it works  realisticphish   Jun-17-08 08:34 PM   #2 
  - all they are going to do is go after them for making specific treatment claims  enki23   Jun-18-08 09:11 AM   #5 
  - Of course...  CanSocDem   Jun-18-08 10:48 AM   #6 
     - You know  turtlensue   Jun-18-08 10:57 AM   #7 
     - There are many people in my life....  CanSocDem   Jun-18-08 11:10 AM   #8 
        - most of the people here  turtlensue   Jun-18-08 11:16 AM   #9 
        - If you could explain....  CanSocDem   Jun-18-08 11:28 AM   #11 
           - "non-market" based treatment  turtlensue   Jun-18-08 11:58 AM   #14 
           - self-knowledge  CanSocDem   Jun-18-08 02:31 PM   #18 
           - I don't think you're insensitive or indifferent; just ignorant and ill-informed  Orrex   Jun-18-08 12:56 PM   #16 
           - someone...  CanSocDem   Jun-18-08 02:24 PM   #17 
              - 'You are here to aid in the great expansion of consciousness.  LeftishBrit   Jun-18-08 02:41 PM   #20 
              - It wasn't JUST med-sci....  CanSocDem   Jun-18-08 03:02 PM   #21 
                 - Once again  turtlensue   Jun-18-08 03:34 PM   #22 
                 - But unproven "therapies" like those being sold on the internet...  rexcat   Jun-20-08 01:33 PM   #27 
              - Every time you quote that "Seth Speaks" garbage, your claims look more absurd  Orrex   Jun-18-08 04:43 PM   #23 
              - Evidence for those claims.  Random_Australian   Jun-19-08 07:58 PM   #25 
                 - What claims....???  CanSocDem   Jun-20-08 08:05 PM   #28 
                    - Easy enough.  Random_Australian   Aug-04-08 05:57 PM   #29 
                       - Simply....  CanSocDem   Aug-04-08 08:29 PM   #30 
                          - .  cosmik debris   Aug-04-08 09:16 PM   #31 
                          - Mine. Get your thieving mitts off!  Random_Australian   Aug-05-08 03:18 AM   #34 
                             - You have to tag it if you want to claim it.  cosmik debris   Aug-05-08 06:51 AM   #37 
                             - No, I mean no responding to something I have claim to respond to.  Random_Australian   Aug-05-08 07:24 AM   #38 
                                - Every post is a target.  cosmik debris   Aug-05-08 09:05 AM   #40 
                                   - New Rule: When another poster is enjoying a little back-and-forth  Random_Australian   Aug-06-08 02:40 AM   #42 
                             - ..  turtlensue   Aug-05-08 07:46 AM   #39 
                          - Yeah, that tactic was never going to go well for you.  Random_Australian   Aug-05-08 03:36 AM   #35 
                          - It could also mean...  CanSocDem   Aug-06-08 01:28 PM   #43 
                             - ...  semillama   Aug-06-08 03:51 PM   #44 
                             - Ha! Bwahaha! That was great.  Random_Australian   Aug-06-08 06:03 PM   #45 
                                - Glad you liked it.  CanSocDem   Aug-06-08 09:32 PM   #46 
                                   - Me? Ignore you? No fear.  Random_Australian   Aug-07-08 03:40 AM   #47 
                                   - For anyone coming into the conversation now, here is it in condensed form.  Random_Australian   Aug-07-08 03:51 AM   #48 
                                   - !  turtlensue   Aug-07-08 07:39 AM   #51 
                                   - AHAHAHAHA!  turtlensue   Aug-07-08 07:33 AM   #50 
                          - "For evidence all you need to do is gaze upon my smiling face"  moggie   Aug-05-08 01:31 PM   #41 
           - Because...  LeftishBrit   Aug-05-08 02:52 AM   #33 
        - You have a strange definition of personal strength...  varkam   Jun-18-08 11:23 AM   #10 
        - "...personal strength..."  CanSocDem   Jun-18-08 11:31 AM   #12 
           - It's all in your head, right? eom  varkam   Jun-18-08 11:42 AM   #13 
        - nevermind  dropkickpa   Jun-18-08 02:35 PM   #19 
        - How do you know your acquaintances don't find it offensive?  LeftishBrit   Aug-05-08 02:40 AM   #32 
           - Change a few words, and our friend is a Christian Scientist.  varkam   Aug-05-08 06:19 AM   #36 
     - Or you could invest in bullshit "power of the mind" pseudocures.  Orrex   Jun-18-08 12:52 PM   #15 
     - You're pretty good at denial, I have to admit.  Random_Australian   Jun-19-08 07:57 PM   #24 
     - Well, consider...  trotsky   Aug-07-08 06:46 AM   #49 
     - Or maybe there aren't any better cures, so people use what they can.  Random_Australian   Jun-19-08 07:59 PM   #26 

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