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Response to Reply #128
132. Or maybe, just maybe it's more complicated than black-n-white
I think it's a symptom of the patriarchy that women feel changing themselves so their husbands are more attracted to them is a sign of love.

I look at it the other way - accepting how the other person looks without asking them to change is a sign of love for the person. Assuming it's okay to tell a person how you want them to look or dress or groom themselves, and telling them you'd find them more attractive if they did this, this and that - like you are listing off a la carte items from a menu - isn't a sign of love. It may be honest, I'll grant you that, and it may be a sign of love that you are willing to change yourself to please them, but it's something other than love that makes a person want (and request) such things in the first place.


Sexual attraction in general isn't about intimacy. It's about our sexual drives, which are objectified, and fetishised on particular body parts, types, clothing, objects and acts. That goes for both men and women, although men are more likely to fetishise clothing and body parts (because as a group they tend to be visually stimulated), where women are more likely to fetishize certain types of touch, or a story-line (candle-lit dinners, etc.)

Sure, some of what the culture we grow up with (I.E., the patriarchy) has input into what is typically fetishised, but it's not some be-all-and-end-all we want to make you an "object" as much as it is normal HUMAN nature.

If you want to be with me sexually, it needs to be all about wanting to share intimacy

So, in order to be intimate with you, a man needs to behave a certain way. To conform to a fetishized story-line in your mind. Besides being much more complicated, since I assume any man would have to guess what the story-line is, how is your need for that "story" a sign of "your love" than a guy that is triggered by the look of you in boots.

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  -The Politics of Body Hair LostinVA  Jan-21-07 12:17 PM   #0 
  - Agreed.  LeftyMom   Jan-21-07 12:24 PM   #1 
  - Interesting response -- thanks!  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 12:27 PM   #2 
  - "keep me from looking like an earlier hominid"  lwfern   Jan-21-07 05:12 PM   #52 
     - Hey, I'm mostly Italian. Most women don't naturally look a thing like me (and razor companies weep)  LeftyMom   Jan-21-07 08:52 PM   #76 
     - So just pale-skinned dark haired women look subhuman?  lwfern   Jan-21-07 08:57 PM   #77 
        - No. I'm posting what I think of how I look and how it effects my grooming habits.  LeftyMom   Jan-21-07 09:04 PM   #78 
        - Precisely.  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 09:06 PM   #79 
        - Here's how I see it.  lwfern   Jan-21-07 10:10 PM   #82 
           - But my opinion about my pubes effects, at most, two people  LeftyMom   Jan-21-07 10:18 PM   #83 
              - I disagree with several points  lwfern   Jan-21-07 11:21 PM   #92 
                 - I'm just saying it's a trait I don't care for.  LeftyMom   Jan-22-07 12:00 AM   #94 
        - she made no correlation to other women--you did  SemperEadem   Jan-22-07 02:58 PM   #101 
           - The thread is about the POLITICS of body hair  lwfern   Jan-22-07 04:42 PM   #104 
              - if the mods aren't locking the thread  SemperEadem   Jan-23-07 12:32 AM   #106 
     - You can't be serious! Do not say that to her!  quantessd   Jan-26-07 02:59 AM   #117 
  - My POV (as an alleged male):  evlbstrd   Jan-21-07 12:31 PM   #3 
  - Also very interesting  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 12:32 PM   #4 
  - I find it very sexy  Redneck Socialist   Jan-21-07 12:36 PM   #5 
  - Thanks!  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 12:39 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-29-11 05:51 PM   #240 
  - I always thought the whole idea was weird  Warpy   Jan-21-07 12:49 PM   #7 
  - I agree about the point it's none of people's business  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 12:51 PM   #10 
  - I agree with you  SemperEadem   Jan-22-07 03:02 PM   #102 
  - err...  bliss_eternal   Jan-21-07 07:41 PM   #73 
  - I agree. I shave for pretty much the same reasons as you, except for the running one.  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 12:49 PM   #8 
  - Haruka3_2000 I think you're the coolest!  quantessd   Jan-24-07 04:31 AM   #111 
  - As a man, I prefer less hair in that region  liberal N proud   Jan-21-07 12:50 PM   #9 
  - It's too bad she thinks about the porn thing, but I understand  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 12:52 PM   #11 
  - my hubby does. works for us. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-30-09 01:10 PM   #219 
  - I completely agree with you  bicentennial_baby   Jan-21-07 12:59 PM   #12 
  - Thanks -- I thought it would be interesting to see people's opinions  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 01:01 PM   #13 
  - Perhaps it's just another fashion...??  phaseolus   Jan-21-07 01:21 PM   #14 
  - The "Queer Eye" guys call that "manscaping"  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 01:28 PM   #17 
     - I'm not at all surprised that I'm not alone  phaseolus   Jan-21-07 02:11 PM   #34 
     - I must be off then  Mojorabbit   Jan-21-07 02:24 PM   #37 
     - But does "manscaping" include shaving your balls?...  whathehell   Feb-16-09 10:17 AM   #226 
  - When I was teaching college, it was a artictile of faith amongst my  Solo_in_MD   Jan-21-07 01:22 PM   #15 
  - A man here. I come from one those cultures Wikipedia mentioned where it is expected that women  Nimrod2005   Jan-21-07 01:27 PM   #16 
  - Since you bring up the culture you were raised in  lwfern   Jan-22-07 07:06 PM   #105 
  - As a man who shaves  mongo   Jan-21-07 01:29 PM   #18 
  - Thanks for the specific product recommendation  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 01:33 PM   #20 
  - I'm not sure we can even seriously debate that on DU...  mongo   Jan-21-07 01:42 PM   #23 
     - I know!  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 01:45 PM   #25 
  - !  Vektor   Jan-21-07 02:39 PM   #41 
     - Oops. I misspelled  mongo   Jan-21-07 04:45 PM   #50 
  - yes very sexy!  Pharaoh   Jan-21-07 01:32 PM   #19 
  - I would like to keep this serious, not pervy, please  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 01:35 PM   #21 
     - Did'nt mean to be pervy  Pharaoh   Jan-21-07 01:42 PM   #22 
     - I'm in the minority  WorldTraveler777   Jan-21-07 01:51 PM   #28 
        - Thanks for your POV!  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 01:57 PM   #30 
        - No disrepect but...  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 02:19 PM   #36 
        - None taken!  WorldTraveler777   Jan-21-07 03:03 PM   #45 
           - Just a curiosity question  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 03:37 PM   #46 
              - YMMV  WorldTraveler777   Jan-21-07 04:22 PM   #49 
        - Welcme to DU, World Traveler...  bliss_eternal   Jan-21-07 07:34 PM   #71 
        - you....are SO amazing!1!1! (no text)  quantessd   Jan-24-07 04:51 AM   #112 
  - Never mind the politics, there's a religious component to the practice as well  MADem   Jan-21-07 01:42 PM   #24 
  - It's enough of a pain to keep my legs shaved in the summer...  InvisibleTouch   Jan-21-07 01:48 PM   #26 
  - "Isn't feminism about not being oppressed by other people's values?"  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 01:50 PM   #27 
  - You said it very well.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-21-07 02:18 PM   #35 
     - If feminists had never challenged the status quo  benevolent dictator   Jan-27-07 05:37 AM   #124 
        - Ta da!  lukasahero   Jan-27-07 07:04 AM   #126 
        - Midlodemocrat is not saying don't stand up for your rights.  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 02:38 PM   #142 
           - I'm not about to set  benevolent dictator   Jan-29-07 03:04 PM   #146 
              - or just as natural that women should have wear the hair on their head long  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 03:19 PM   #150 
  - Oh, and on an evolutionary note:  InvisibleTouch   Jan-21-07 01:56 PM   #29 
  - On an anatomical note, genital and underarm hair is not vestigial  Book Lover   Jan-21-07 02:09 PM   #31 
  - Yes hair does TRAP the SCENT!  quantessd   Jan-26-07 03:09 AM   #118 
     - whatever. i expect my gf to go down on me. regularly.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 02:49 PM   #143 
     - I'm gonna have to agree with you. No complaining  benevolent dictator   Jan-29-07 02:57 PM   #145 
     - I like the scent of a woman, too. Women have it with or without pubic hair.  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 03:39 PM   #153 
        - thats not an argument for shaving or not shaving. but to tell someone they should shave  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 03:41 PM   #154 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-09-11 06:15 PM   #238 
     - I'm hetero. (in case it matters).  quantessd   Apr-05-07 01:13 AM   #187 
     - But I don't want someone's "face in my place"  lbrtbell   Dec-07-11 09:40 AM   #244 
  - i try to trim often  sniffa   Jan-21-07 02:10 PM   #32 
  - Oh, man. Wait until  Midlodemocrat   Jan-21-07 02:11 PM   #33 
  - Yup, I know  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 02:29 PM   #38 
  - YOU ARE NOT A REAL FEMINIST  Midlodemocrat   Jan-21-07 02:33 PM   #40 
     - That was VERY good -- A+  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 02:40 PM   #42 
  - This was unnecessary.  lukasahero   Jan-21-07 06:47 PM   #63 
  - If you don't consider yourself the arbiter of all things feminist,  Midlodemocrat   Jan-22-07 07:20 AM   #98 
  - "Feminism is about choices" and about having a voice and using it confidently  omega minimo   Apr-08-07 04:53 PM   #190 
  - That's an awesome comment!  mongo   Jan-22-07 11:01 AM   #99 
     - grumble grumble  lukasahero   Jan-22-07 03:26 PM   #103 
        - I meant to respond to this and forgot  LostinVA   Jan-26-07 08:52 AM   #119 
  - What a bigoted, divisive, Dittohead thing to say  omega minimo   Apr-08-07 03:22 PM   #189 
     - Oh, good. You're here now.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-19-07 09:06 AM   #194 
        - Your ill assumptions proved false  omega minimo   Apr-20-07 10:44 PM   #195 
  - I don't watch porn, but...  Vektor   Jan-21-07 02:31 PM   #39 
  - Very close to how I feel about it  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 02:43 PM   #43 
  - I disagree about lack of hair causing more sensation..  tridim   Jan-21-07 02:48 PM   #44 
  - No, the lack of hair causes much more sensation  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 03:38 PM   #47 
     - I must agree!  liberal N proud   Jan-21-07 03:48 PM   #48 
     - It must be vary from person to person  tridim   Jan-21-07 05:21 PM   #53 
     - Technically it causes different sensation  liontamer   Jan-26-07 06:05 PM   #122 
  - I shave my legs, have had electrolysis on my upper lip, and I wax my arms.  phylny   Jan-21-07 04:50 PM   #51 
  - i get full brazilian waxes from time to time and grow it out from time to time.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-21-07 05:50 PM   #54 
  - It is up to you what you do  Nikia   Jan-21-07 05:53 PM   #55 
  - i agree with your last sentence. i also dont understand what the hygiene issue is.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-21-07 06:03 PM   #56 
     - I have heard some people say that not removing hair in that area  Nikia   Jan-21-07 06:16 PM   #57 
     - if std's are the concern, vaginal fluids are the culprit not hair.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-21-07 06:18 PM   #58 
     - right. And that's why it's so offensive for other women to suggest it is  Iris   Feb-05-07 09:06 PM   #179 
     - Regarding the hygiene issue...  bliss_eternal   Jan-21-07 06:29 PM   #59 
     - i started having problems with ingrown hairs after i started waxing. as did my ex gf.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-21-07 06:46 PM   #62 
     - I agree...  bliss_eternal   Jan-21-07 07:24 PM   #67 
        - actually it was my ex who started having more ingrown hairs. and i think she stopped getting waxed,  lionesspriyanka   Jan-21-07 07:26 PM   #68 
           - Definitely individual...  bliss_eternal   Jan-21-07 07:45 PM   #74 
     - wouldn't shaving exasperate the ingrown hair problem?  Iris   Feb-05-07 09:07 PM   #180 
     - I don't understand what butch has to do with it at all.  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 06:33 PM   #60 
        - most butch women i have dated have issues with removing body hair.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-21-07 06:42 PM   #61 
           - "no one tells me what to do with my pubic hair"  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 06:50 PM   #64 
              - ?  lionesspriyanka   Jan-21-07 06:53 PM   #65 
              - It was a joke. Nevermind.  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 06:54 PM   #66 
              - it's a famous line from Dirty dancing  liontamer   Jan-24-07 12:55 AM   #109 
              - omg...  bliss_eternal   Jan-21-07 07:28 PM   #69 
              - hehehehe  LostinVA   Jan-21-07 07:30 PM   #70 
              - Hehehe.  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 07:34 PM   #72 
              - No one!  bicentennial_baby   Jan-21-07 09:15 PM   #80 
                 - I think someone has never seen "Dirty Dancing."  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 09:25 PM   #81 
                    - 'Twas my thought as well  bicentennial_baby   Jan-21-07 11:15 PM   #90 
  - Same boat as you LostinVA  Triana   Jan-21-07 08:09 PM   #75 
  - Thanks for the nice response, Triana  LostinVA   Jan-22-07 06:09 AM   #96 
  - Guy perspective here.  Unbowed   Jan-21-07 10:19 PM   #84 
  - I got a guy to do that once.  LeftyMom   Jan-21-07 10:27 PM   #85 
     - Aw no. Tell me it ain't so.  Unbowed   Jan-21-07 10:54 PM   #88 
        - Yeah, but I found out later he was cheating, so he totally deserved it.  LeftyMom   Jan-21-07 11:09 PM   #89 
        - Honestly, if you do it right, the itching isn't bad.  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 11:19 PM   #91 
  - Adults should be able to do what they want with their body hair  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jan-21-07 10:39 PM   #86 
  - OMFG!  haruka3_2000   Jan-21-07 10:53 PM   #87 
     - I know  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jan-21-07 11:29 PM   #93 
  - Unreconstructed hippie here  eridani   Jan-22-07 12:54 AM   #95 
  - The patchouli oil comment made me laugh!  LostinVA   Jan-22-07 06:11 AM   #97 
  - I shave as seldomly as possible.  KitSileya   Jan-22-07 02:52 PM   #100 
  - I am influenced...  twenty4blackbirds   Jan-23-07 04:56 AM   #107 
  - For me it began for medical reasons...  MrsGrumpy   Jan-23-07 11:38 AM   #108 
  - Thank you for asking such a brave and personal question.  quantessd   Jan-24-07 04:00 AM   #110 
  - I think quite a few guys are doing taht now  LostinVA   Jan-24-07 10:45 AM   #113 
     - We behave as though we are in our late 20s, and we look young too.  quantessd   Jan-26-07 02:43 AM   #116 
  - Interesting thread...  Katherine Brengle   Jan-24-07 03:38 PM   #114 
  - It is, isn't it?  LostinVA   Jan-26-07 08:55 AM   #120 
  - Late to the party, but here's my thoughts  Nobody   Jan-25-07 05:03 PM   #115 
  - The time in the shower is an environmental issue also  lwfern   Jan-26-07 09:41 PM   #123 
     - Ever notice that women's produces are more expensive than men's?  Nobody   Jan-28-07 07:59 PM   #131 
        - Ha. I knew there was a reason I use men's deoderant  benevolent dictator   Jan-29-07 02:08 PM   #140 
           - i do too. i am a very girly girl but i dont like to shave my underarms.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 03:42 PM   #155 
              - I hear ya. I've never shaved anything  benevolent dictator   Jan-29-07 04:23 PM   #158 
                 - i have cycles. i always shave my legs. but everything else depends on the day.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 04:26 PM   #159 
  - I'm kind of indifferent  liontamer   Jan-26-07 06:01 PM   #121 
  - Has anyone else noticed  benevolent dictator   Jan-27-07 06:04 AM   #125 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-07 07:24 AM   #127 
  - speaking generically, not about your relationship  lwfern   Jan-27-07 11:24 PM   #128 
     - You use the word "tell"  lukasahero   Jan-28-07 10:22 AM   #129 
     - I think I phrased it right  lwfern   Jan-28-07 10:52 AM   #130 
     - Or maybe, just maybe it's more complicated than black-n-white  mongo   Jan-28-07 08:12 PM   #132 
     - No story lines  lwfern   Jan-28-07 09:02 PM   #133 
     - What's wrong with stating what you're attracted to?  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 12:11 AM   #134 
     - Is there a respectful way to objectify another human being? nt  benevolent dictator   Jan-29-07 01:57 PM   #139 
        - Yes, you can respect a person completely and still objectify them in the bedroom.  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 02:31 PM   #141 
           - I'm still confused about how  benevolent dictator   Jan-29-07 02:56 PM   #144 
              - The respect will follow into the bedroom.  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 03:07 PM   #148 
                 - i think you have bdsm confused with objectification.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 03:12 PM   #149 
                    - Actually, I am aware of the difference.  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 03:28 PM   #151 
                       - no i did not. it was a copy cat thread. why dont you just check the other threads at the time?  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 03:35 PM   #152 
                          - Self-delete.  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 03:42 PM   #156 
                             - here you go.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 04:01 PM   #157 
     - You can call it semantics, but it seems to me  mongo   Jan-29-07 12:53 PM   #136 
     - I just love it when people defend things with  benevolent dictator   Jan-29-07 01:55 PM   #138 
        - I'd be really nice  mongo   Jan-30-07 11:33 AM   #163 
           - I don't understand.  benevolent dictator   Jan-30-07 05:41 PM   #169 
              - Instead of arguing semantics  mongo   Jan-31-07 11:33 AM   #171 
                 - The only time I ever hear  benevolent dictator   Feb-02-07 10:39 AM   #172 
                    - Well, there have been many studies  mongo   Feb-03-07 11:38 AM   #175 
                       - power, politics, and visual arousal  lwfern   Feb-03-07 03:25 PM   #176 
                          - So are you saying their are no biological differences  mongo   Feb-05-07 11:06 AM   #177 
     - Is it a "symptom" of the patriarchy that I expect certain things from my girlfriend?  haruka3_2000   Jan-29-07 12:15 AM   #135 
  - i agree with you.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 12:55 PM   #137 
  - No. I think I told you exactly why. Sorry, there were no politics  MrsGrumpy   Jan-30-07 09:25 AM   #162 
     - Well I doubt most people  benevolent dictator   Jan-31-07 04:08 AM   #170 
  - on the politics of body hair as opposed to my preferences etc  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 03:06 PM   #147 
  - That's funny  lwfern   Jan-29-07 05:55 PM   #160 
     - agreed.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-29-07 06:04 PM   #161 
  - In response to the original topic  Heddi   Jan-30-07 12:03 PM   #164 
  - If I could recommend a single post, I'd recommend this one.  haruka3_2000   Jan-30-07 12:38 PM   #165 
  - Very well-written addition to the thread  LostinVA   Jan-30-07 12:45 PM   #166 
  - Thanks :) Another reason  Heddi   Jan-30-07 01:33 PM   #167 
     - umm...while i did defend the scent of a woman..,i believe you in that  lionesspriyanka   Jan-30-07 01:58 PM   #168 
  - I agree that...  benevolent dictator   Feb-02-07 12:32 PM   #173 
  - as someone who has a brazilian scheduled at 5.00 pm today (no jokes)  lionesspriyanka   Feb-02-07 12:52 PM   #174 
  - thank you... well said  SemperEadem   Apr-08-07 06:26 AM   #188 
  - Leg hair serves no purpose, but pubic and underarm hair prevent friction.  MookieWilson   May-10-07 01:54 PM   #201 
  - I don't necessarily find shaving hygienic. And I resent the suggestion that not shaving IS.  Iris   Feb-05-07 09:01 PM   #178 
  - If someone wants to shave her twat, she should go for it....  lionesspriyanka   Feb-06-07 04:32 PM   #181 
  - There is NO *scientific proof* that thongs are connected to yeast infections.  haruka3_2000   Feb-14-07 03:56 PM   #183 
  - As a Feminist  Madspirit   Feb-14-07 12:51 PM   #182 
  - As long as you feel sexy and comfortable...  Miss_Strawberry   Mar-20-07 07:15 PM   #184 
  - As a male Du'er  BoneDaddy   Mar-22-07 09:12 AM   #185 
  - Yes, thank you.  quantessd   Apr-13-07 03:15 AM   #191 
     - So are some women  LostinVA   Apr-19-07 08:38 AM   #193 
  - I shave ( most of the time)  Marrah_G   Apr-04-07 01:45 PM   #186 
  - Not my preference  Madspirit   Apr-17-07 10:31 PM   #192 
  - Makes sense, until someone calls my choice "unhygienic"  Iris   May-11-07 05:53 PM   #203 
  - I find a lot more politics in whether or not a woman shaves her legs.  Sivafae   Apr-23-07 03:27 AM   #196 
  - My thoughts on the matter  MikeH   May-02-07 11:44 PM   #197 
  - Thoughts  athena   May-03-07 02:29 AM   #198 
     - Everything you say makes sense. I particularly abhor when someone suggests she shaves because  Iris   May-09-07 06:42 PM   #200 
     - I agree.  benevolent dictator   May-12-07 07:33 AM   #204 
     - Many men DO shave their pubic hair -- for many reasons  LostinVA   Jul-14-07 11:35 PM   #208 
     - What she said.  RadicalTexan   Jan-26-09 11:26 PM   #216 
  - We're relatively "hairless" creatures.  joshcryer   May-03-07 06:58 PM   #199 
  - As a man I find "clean" twats very creepy. It seems like a wish for pedophilia to me.  DuaneBidoux   May-11-07 12:01 PM   #202 
  - A grown woman does not look like a child, regardless of body hair  LostinVA   Feb-27-08 10:24 AM   #212 
  - it's nearly a pro choice topic because....  Tara_NM   May-12-07 12:19 PM   #205 
  - My belated two cents.....  Feron   Jul-08-07 08:41 PM   #206 
  - You forgot plastic surgery to make the labia more attractive.  Iris   Jul-09-07 10:39 AM   #207 
  - Well  LostinVA   Jul-22-07 07:16 PM   #211 
  - Getting Rid of Bush - The Best Reason to Shave!  minnesota_liberal   Jul-15-07 01:59 PM   #209 
  - And don't forget to remove the dangling chads n/t  Nobody   Jul-22-07 11:58 AM   #210 
  - I'm a guy and I do it too  dusmcj   Mar-12-08 11:21 AM   #213 
  - File this under TMI, but I do not shave down under  uallupinmykoolaid   Jan-16-09 01:11 PM   #214 
  - Painful bumps means you just didn't do it right  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jan-28-09 08:27 PM   #217 
     - It sounds to me like she would rather not shave or remove her hair  MikeH   Jan-29-09 06:21 PM   #218 
     - I wouldn't neccesarily assume that  rebecca_herman   Feb-04-09 03:38 AM   #222 
  - Way Late  Crisco   Jan-19-09 03:19 PM   #215 
  - this is why this year, for the first time in my 30 summers, I will be wearing women's board shorts  RadicalTexan   Feb-09-09 08:29 PM   #225 
  - ha, look at the interest. 17,467? views. lol. hm. n/t  seabeyond   Jan-31-09 10:36 AM   #220 
  - It's the Kudzu thread of the Women's Rights Forum  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Jan-31-09 07:38 PM   #221 
  - Are we STILL beating this dead horse?  lightningandsnow   Feb-04-09 08:04 AM   #223 
  - Seriously, I am in the minority these days. I REALLY like the  Strong Atheist   Feb-04-09 04:06 PM   #224 
  - Agreed. And my wife tried shaving her wonderful muff yrs ago & didn't care for it anyway  Echo In Light   Apr-21-09 04:46 PM   #228 
  - Another male's perspective (for what it's worth):  RandomKoolzip   Apr-18-09 12:47 AM   #227 
  - I'm a man and I generally dislike unnatural things like make-up, perfumes, shaving...  NYC_SKP   Jan-04-10 10:25 AM   #229 
  - Pooch, what are you doing on this thread?  Beacool   Mar-10-10 05:45 PM   #233 
  - This thread is over 3 years old!  Iris   Feb-13-10 09:31 PM   #230 
  - I cannot believe someone kicked my 3 1/2-year-old thread  LostinVA   Jul-08-10 07:00 PM   #236 
  - Landing strip...  MrMickeysMom   Feb-22-10 06:52 PM   #231 
  - It's not pedophelia, talk about trying to shame people into your pov.  badacid   Feb-26-10 05:18 PM   #232 
     - "I never thought this would happen to me, but..."  musette_sf   Mar-10-10 09:51 PM   #234 
  - I do not shave down there.  Lyric   Mar-25-10 07:15 PM   #235 
  - Good for you!  MikeH   Jul-13-10 06:12 PM   #237 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-18-11 01:41 PM   #241 
  - I never knew  aj_cd   May-18-11 01:50 AM   #239 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-23-11 12:39 PM   #242 
  - I don't think women (or men) should shave completely  lbrtbell   Dec-07-11 09:33 AM   #243 
 

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