NobleCynic
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Wed Dec-27-06 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #53 |
| 64. Be aware of when you cross the line between helping and hurting |
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There is a point beyond which you're no longer educating, no longer preaching, no longer debating. Simply insulting.
It is automatic for people to react defensively when attacked, and when you attack without quarter, it is impossible to lend aid or agree without reservation.
I agree in principle with most, if not all, of your beliefs. I disagree with your tactics.
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| -Misogyny as Male Bonding |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-26-06 07:05 PM |
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Oh boy, did you hit it on the head. Great subject.. K&R! |
Joanne98 |
Dec-26-06 07:07 PM |
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See also: Elephant Day Parade by The Beat Farmers |
IanDB1 |
Dec-26-06 07:11 PM |
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I challenge sexist posts/phrases as I find them at DU. |
IndyOp |
Dec-26-06 07:12 PM |
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How about this? |
PSPS |
Dec-26-06 07:28 PM |
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Kick |
Joanne98 |
Dec-26-06 07:57 PM |
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As for the misogynistic posts here on DU |
etherealtruth |
Dec-26-06 08:17 PM |
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But the problem with that defense is this |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-26-06 08:21 PM |
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I think they often do ... |
etherealtruth |
Dec-26-06 08:30 PM |
#8 |
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Well, actually, you are denying the problem |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:11 PM |
#42 |
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What an unusual response ... |
etherealtruth |
Dec-28-06 06:19 AM |
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I'll ask the question of |
Heywoodj |
Dec-26-06 10:56 PM |
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You make my point perfectly |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:09 PM |
#41 |
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K & R... |
femrap |
Dec-26-06 10:01 PM |
#9 |
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'many males feel this is their constitutional right.' |
realpolitik |
Dec-26-06 11:56 PM |
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So, do you feel the same way about those postcards showing |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:25 PM |
#43 |
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While he is a male |
realpolitik |
Dec-27-06 10:51 PM |
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Most p0rn? And the rest? |
femrap |
Dec-27-06 09:21 PM |
#66 |
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I find plenty of objectification |
realpolitik |
Dec-27-06 09:36 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-30-06 11:28 AM |
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Honestly, a few years on this board and I have come to |
smirkymonkey |
Mar-23-07 06:39 PM |
#145 |
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Just a short question to get some persepective on your views |
NobleCynic |
Dec-26-06 10:34 PM |
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i rec'd this thread b/c i totally agree with the poster -- on Sex and the City... |
nashville_brook |
Dec-26-06 11:48 PM |
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Right, when men do it, it's disgusting chauvanism, |
Dr_eldritch |
Dec-27-06 12:04 AM |
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That's not what was said -- you excel at that, don't you? |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:35 PM |
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Interesting |
NobleCynic |
Dec-27-06 12:24 AM |
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i'm 40, but have friends who are much younger |
nashville_brook |
Dec-27-06 01:19 AM |
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Clarification, please? |
Orrex |
Dec-27-06 11:30 AM |
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Eye of the beholder I suppose |
NobleCynic |
Dec-27-06 08:48 PM |
#63 |
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Levy was interviewed on Fresh Air a few weeks back |
Orrex |
Dec-27-06 11:27 AM |
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loved her on Colbert -- will check this out! thanks! |
nashville_brook |
Dec-27-06 02:37 PM |
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Thanks. I imagine that covers it. |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:31 PM |
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and, i hate to say it, but reckless sexuality can hurt women... |
nashville_brook |
Dec-27-06 05:16 PM |
#52 |
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That's exactly it -- |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 05:23 PM |
#54 |
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oppressed-oppressor.... white girl here... i totally GET that! |
nashville_brook |
Dec-27-06 05:37 PM |
#55 |
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I saw an Oprah show where they were doing some relationship |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 06:15 PM |
#58 |
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Amen to that! |
raccoon |
Mar-27-07 10:00 AM |
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"IF there are women out there as shallow and superficial as I imagined, |
realpolitik |
Dec-28-06 08:08 PM |
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i am confused. why is there a naked female. why not a naked man. |
seabeyond |
Mar-23-08 08:43 PM |
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I think it's because in both cases |
lwfern |
Mar-24-08 02:04 AM |
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i dont agree. another thing i dont agree with is the shying from whore and slut |
seabeyond |
Mar-24-08 11:13 AM |
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I agree that this is how we symbolize the world |
lwfern |
Mar-24-08 02:38 PM |
#173 |
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How disgusting this is is only magnified by the fact that |
Dr_eldritch |
Dec-26-06 11:47 PM |
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At least, according to Danny DeVito... |
Chulanowa |
Dec-26-06 11:52 PM |
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I have a hard time watching letterman nowadays |
lwfern |
Dec-27-06 12:47 AM |
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I watch David Letterman nearly every night he's on and I don't see how you could call him sexist |
Syrinx |
Dec-27-06 02:27 AM |
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Not sure why you think sexism is related to his party identity |
lwfern |
Dec-27-06 09:38 AM |
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of course you should be offended by sexism |
Syrinx |
Dec-28-06 01:05 AM |
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Picture Dave arriving on stage with the 2 floppy models fawning and falling all over him |
omega minimo |
Dec-27-06 01:44 PM |
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Sure, I can picture a stud-bunny show |
Syrinx |
Dec-28-06 01:21 AM |
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So seeing it in Black And White, Either/Or allows you to evade the actual issues. |
omega minimo |
Dec-28-06 02:45 AM |
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I'm not evading issues. Maybe you are inventing issues. |
Syrinx |
Dec-29-06 02:26 AM |
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I LOATHE Letterman |
Madspirit |
Apr-17-07 10:51 PM |
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You're entirely correct |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:40 PM |
#46 |
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I can't stand Letterman |
Madspirit |
Feb-15-07 11:57 AM |
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And women dont do this right back at men? |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-27-06 01:01 AM |
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your kidding about the wage part? or just making shit up because....... |
bettyellen |
Dec-27-06 07:13 AM |
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Legal equality. Same job = same pay. (At least here in Aust.) |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-27-06 03:45 PM |
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Australia is NOT the U.S. |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:50 PM |
#47 |
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You are incorrect about wage equality in Australia as well actually |
NobleCynic |
Dec-27-06 09:16 PM |
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the law is not the reality, in australia or here. so you are wrong and insulting to |
bettyellen |
Dec-28-06 09:21 PM |
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The law is a bloody good start though. |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-29-06 04:28 AM |
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so you want women equal, but believe theoretical equality should be enough |
bettyellen |
Dec-29-06 07:20 AM |
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No I believe it is a staging point in the journey towards equality. |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-30-06 12:29 AM |
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some idiots will not change largely because other men let them think it's okay |
bettyellen |
Dec-30-06 03:42 PM |
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There are a lot of problems with this post. |
lwfern |
Dec-29-06 09:34 AM |
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I say the law is illustrative of improvement. |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-30-06 02:26 AM |
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Go on, keep digging |
lwfern |
Dec-30-06 05:22 AM |
#127 |
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demands for instant compliance |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-29-06 06:22 PM |
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You know what I am really sick of? Men who invade the women's |
smirkymonkey |
Mar-23-07 06:49 PM |
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and if there is a post about how women discriminate against men in certain circumstances |
undercutter2006 |
Aug-03-07 09:05 PM |
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What the fuck are you doing here on a "Women's Rights Forum"? |
quantessd |
Feb-23-08 12:15 AM |
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Bettyellen is right about the wages still being unequal |
NobleCynic |
Dec-27-06 08:51 AM |
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Good question. |
twenty4blackbirds |
Dec-27-06 03:34 PM |
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Tucks in bib and fronts up to a corby pie. |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-29-06 04:42 AM |
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"Cream my jeans"? |
knitter4democracy |
Dec-27-06 03:52 PM |
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I have never heard my S.O. say 'cream my jeans' |
realpolitik |
Dec-28-06 08:29 PM |
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That's why I said "most." |
knitter4democracy |
Dec-29-06 07:03 AM |
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No, the war isn't won, but the American culture has misogyny and misanthropy woven in its fabric. |
necklace |
Feb-17-07 01:44 PM |
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Yeah, it's a distraction from the fact De Vito looks like a fire hydrant mated with a toad |
omega minimo |
Dec-27-06 01:59 AM |
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K & R and... |
Triana |
Dec-27-06 12:16 PM |
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And I didn't even follow my own advice |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 04:53 PM |
#48 |
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Whereas women never objectify men |
the other one |
Dec-27-06 12:28 PM |
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Whereas women never objectify men |
the other one |
Dec-27-06 12:29 PM |
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"This thread deserves to be hijacked." Bully behavior proves the OP's point: |
omega minimo |
Dec-27-06 01:07 PM |
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wondering... do (we) women, look the other way because we're afraid... |
nashville_brook |
Dec-27-06 02:42 PM |
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well after long enough ya get tired of...... |
omega minimo |
Dec-27-06 06:08 PM |
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I just knew that * posted here! |
femrap |
Dec-27-06 11:38 PM |
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Are you asking people to apologize for their Y chromosome? n/t |
ElboRuum |
Dec-27-06 01:24 PM |
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No. |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-27-06 04:01 PM |
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Yes. SILENCE CONDONES, dammit. |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 05:09 PM |
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I agreed with you |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-27-06 08:03 PM |
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Let's make this clear. |
ElboRuum |
Dec-28-06 09:06 AM |
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"if you'd all just knock it off" |
lukasahero |
Dec-28-06 09:23 AM |
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Sure... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-28-06 09:26 AM |
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Didn't really bother me, no, because I am not guilty |
lukasahero |
Dec-28-06 10:29 AM |
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Ugh... whatever... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-28-06 11:15 AM |
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Christ! The problem with men is that "Its Alllllllllllllll about them"! |
smirkymonkey |
Mar-23-07 07:02 PM |
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Only if |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 05:07 PM |
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Even if I did feel that it does give me some special right... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-28-06 09:25 AM |
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maybe it's not misandry, but not liking YOU, and YOUR BEHAVIOR.... |
bettyellen |
Dec-28-06 09:40 PM |
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I wish |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-27-06 03:52 PM |
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Terrific rant |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 05:10 PM |
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I could've been more |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-27-06 08:06 PM |
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Cowards, like *. nt |
femrap |
Dec-27-06 11:41 PM |
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Oh, honey, most of them are going to get all defensive and sexist |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-28-06 11:15 PM |
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One of the guys at the high school where I work |
lwfern |
Dec-27-06 06:06 PM |
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The BIGGEST male privilege ... |
Triana |
Dec-27-06 10:17 PM |
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The BIGGEST male privilege ...is not being aware of just how privileged they are. |
quantessd |
Feb-23-08 12:50 AM |
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YES! Terrific post! |
Mad_Dem_X |
Dec-28-06 01:58 PM |
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Six months??? |
bumblebee1 |
Aug-12-07 11:45 PM |
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Not one male who deigned to grace this thread with their presence |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-27-06 05:18 PM |
#53 |
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Sounds pretty regressive, don't it? |
omega minimo |
Dec-27-06 06:22 PM |
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Problem is they LIKE the privilege |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-27-06 08:20 PM |
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Be aware of when you cross the line between helping and hurting |
NobleCynic |
Dec-27-06 08:57 PM |
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Let me ask you this |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-27-06 09:30 PM |
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Venting one's anger? No problem there. |
NobleCynic |
Dec-27-06 10:03 PM |
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How do you normally handle sexist posts on DU? |
lwfern |
Dec-27-06 11:01 PM |
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You misunderstand me on several fronts |
NobleCynic |
Dec-28-06 12:03 AM |
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what is the "most extreme position possible" you're referring to? |
lwfern |
Dec-28-06 12:42 AM |
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Well put |
NobleCynic |
Dec-28-06 01:32 AM |
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playing around with language |
lwfern |
Dec-28-06 02:03 AM |
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Touche |
NobleCynic |
Dec-28-06 02:34 AM |
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At 3am |
lwfern |
Dec-28-06 11:37 AM |
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The people who get to define racism and sexism are the people |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-28-06 11:59 PM |
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The problem with treating disagreement as an attack is that it is too easy |
NobleCynic |
Dec-29-06 09:17 AM |
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I don't think you made yourself unclear at all |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-29-06 06:07 PM |
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Hear, hear! |
smirkymonkey |
Mar-23-07 07:11 PM |
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But you know what? |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-28-06 11:48 PM |
#105 |
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Please don't read the worst possible intent into every word I say, |
NobleCynic |
Dec-29-06 08:50 AM |
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Au contraire |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-29-06 06:12 PM |
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O.M.G. BRAVO!!!!!! |
lukasahero |
Dec-28-06 07:40 AM |
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Here's a clue for you |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-28-06 11:29 PM |
#104 |
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Be aware of when you cross the line between pontificating and patronizing |
omega minimo |
Dec-28-06 02:05 AM |
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Having been around for awhile.... |
femrap |
Dec-27-06 11:58 PM |
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"Supposedly, this imbalance of extreme machismo is to come to an end soon." |
omega minimo |
Dec-28-06 12:13 AM |
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Supposedly people are going to realize that |
femrap |
Dec-28-06 07:50 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-28-06 12:30 AM |
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That's fairly standard |
MountainLaurel |
Jan-06-07 05:36 PM |
#139 |
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... |
sniffa |
Feb-21-07 11:01 AM |
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Some sexist threads make me want to bang my head against the wall |
Nikia |
Dec-28-06 07:51 PM |
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Please come back and share when you can |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-29-06 12:10 AM |
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Lovely double standard here. |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-29-06 07:16 AM |
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A peace offering, and well put. |
NobleCynic |
Dec-29-06 09:33 AM |
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The double standard you mention |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-29-06 06:35 PM |
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Morgana, aren't you being a little harsh? |
lwfern |
Dec-29-06 07:31 PM |
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Yes, I do believe I was |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-30-06 05:47 PM |
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Women must ignore lousy men. Good men must defend. women. |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-29-06 11:43 PM |
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dude, don't you get tired of digging that hole you're in? |
lwfern |
Dec-30-06 12:02 AM |
#124 |
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gosh, your abuser friend really appreciated your help, how nice! |
bettyellen |
Dec-30-06 04:32 PM |
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Not unlike Ford pardoning his buddy Nixon |
lwfern |
Dec-30-06 05:25 PM |
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it's telling he wants an award for helping an abuser and makes excuses why it's not |
bettyellen |
Dec-30-06 05:33 PM |
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Astonishingly apropos |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-30-06 05:43 PM |
#134 |
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"paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom" |
bettyellen |
Dec-30-06 05:55 PM |
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quie possibly the best description of male privelege ever -- |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-30-06 05:34 PM |
#133 |
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Truly amazing |
Morgana LaFey |
Dec-30-06 06:10 PM |
#137 |
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Machismo as Male Bonding, Exhibit A: Street Taunts |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-31-06 10:37 PM |
#138 |
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Sure they don't. |
raccoon |
Mar-27-07 10:13 AM |
#152 |
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I see it |
Madspirit |
Feb-15-07 11:50 AM |
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I hate to say it, but I actually think the Republican men in my |
smirkymonkey |
Mar-23-07 07:59 PM |
#149 |
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funny you should say that |
lwfern |
Mar-23-07 11:08 PM |
#150 |
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The reason ThomCat gets it |
Karenina |
Jun-25-07 07:27 PM |
#156 |
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And we should graciously sacrifice our issues "for the good of the party" |
thecatburgler |
Apr-17-07 11:58 PM |
#154 |
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Well, we've all heard it said before... |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-18-07 01:12 AM |
#155 |
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i never tire of morgana threads |
sniffa |
Feb-21-07 10:58 AM |
#143 |
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GANG RAPE n/t |
Karenina |
Jun-25-07 07:28 PM |
#157 |
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Funny you should post that today. |
lwfern |
Jun-25-07 09:51 PM |
#158 |
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This thread is my first foray |
Karenina |
Jun-26-07 06:53 AM |
#159 |
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Wait'll you see this |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-27-07 01:56 PM |
#160 |
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Thank you. |
lwfern |
Jun-27-07 02:43 PM |
#161 |
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It's gone now, but that first paragraph was snuff, pure and simple |
Morgana LaFey |
Jun-27-07 08:46 PM |
#162 |
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Because we're just women. nt |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-03-07 09:38 PM |
#164 |
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I think I finally expressed the point I wanted to make months ago |
Nikia |
Sep-04-07 07:09 PM |
#166 |
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...women who they see as lower status and/or not part of their group... |
quantessd |
Feb-23-08 02:16 AM |
#169 |
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