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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:12 PM
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38. Well that's really up to you, isn't it?
"What insight might I gain, perchance?"

If you are interested in an answer to that, read #36 or the OP

"In 1990, Wellesley College professor Peggy McIntosh wrote an essay called "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack". McIntosh observes that whites in the U.S. are "taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness, not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group." To illustrate these invisible systems, McIntosh wrote a list of 26 invisible privileges whites benefit from."

"TO ILLUSTRATE THESE INVISIBLE SYSTEMS"

""Consideration" doesn't mean that I can't dispute aspects of the list."

Rather than consider the illustration of invisible system, you refute 30% of the items on the list; back to "individual acts of meanness."

"The very fact that you bristle, when I point out that some of the listed "benefits" are not as cut-and-dried as the author would have them, demonstrates that point very clearly."

The very fact that you accuse me of "bristling" when I gently pointed out the obvious, could go on the original list. How many times have women posters on DU heard that we are "angry" when we are discussing something that men don't want to hear.

"If that's the case, then the act of identifing "taking issue" as inferior to "discussing the issue" is likewise a controlling behavior. You seek, in essence, to declare certain aspects of the discussion to be off-limits, and I confess that I don't see a benefit in that, for anyone."

This sort of competitive antagonism is absurd and completely out of place here. Especially if you are as conscious as you claim to be (I give you the benefit of the doubt).

"Forgive me, but a list of 30+ "benefits" of being male is about "THEM," is it not?"

NO. "McIntosh observes that whites in the U.S. are "taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness, not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group." To illustrate these invisible systems, McIntosh wrote a list of 26 invisible privileges whites benefit from." That list was not "about whites.'" This list is not "about men." Accept it. :evilgrin:

"The notion that men (or a man) can't discuss "these things" except narcissistically is likewise a stereotype, in this case calculated to minimize the value of the man's opinion if it doesn't embrace the list."

Despite the benefit of the doubt, this self-obsessed attitude reinforces the stereotype. Nothing is "calculated to minimize the value of the man's opinion if it doesn't embrace the list." Jeebus, that's about you TOO! Can't you see how funny that is? :rofl:

"Embrace the list"? I chose the word "consideration" as in "consider" the examples and show "consideration" to the people living within those "invisible systems"-- and "consider" what that might be like IF IT WAS YOU.

"If I were to propose a list of 30 "benefits" of being female, would you seek out women who match to the list"

I didn't suggest you "seek out men who match to the list" -- I suggested a man who considered the list without refuting it might help you with relating to the experience which it was intended to illustrate; illustrate for those who have a hard time understanding what it's like to live life controlled by an invisible system........ who have a hard time understanding because of male privilege.

:hi:
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