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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:57 PM
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15. I'm not sure that's an anti-feminist reaction
The odd thing about the recent gay rights advances is that gay has become equated with "effeminate," as in a man who acts effeminate, dresses well, speaks in a "gay" voice and looks like a flamer on Queer Eye. The fact that most gay men aren't like that doesn't seem to bother, or even occur, to mainstream America. I keep hearing otherwise liberal people say things like "You can tell he's gay, look at him" or "look at how he dresses," or "look at what music he listens to." Pick your stereotype.

My gay friends have mixed opinions on this whole trend. On the one hand, it's nice to see homosexuality being accepted as normal, even trendy. On the other, the stereotype that is being created is not that accurate, or inclusive, and in some ways it is equating what is basically an emotional choice with an outward style of action and dress that isn't usually accurate. In fact, I'd say what the MSM is labelling "gay" these days looks a lot more like crossdressing than like any emotional choice.

I think that's more what gay men are reacting against when they describe themselves as "straight-acting" or masculine. It's against a stereotype, not against a gender.
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  -The "Feminization" of Males. Ripley  Jun-01-05 01:53 PM   #0 
  - Star Trek TOS Was Not Sexist  iamjoy   Jun-01-05 02:00 PM   #1 
  - Okay, I'll give you that.  Ripley   Jun-01-05 02:09 PM   #4 
     - All the alien women had big boobs. Coincidence?  elehhhhna   Jun-01-05 02:24 PM   #7 
        - not the super anorexic one that went after spock n/t  liontamer   Jul-06-05 04:59 PM   #51 
  - I agree, it seems that if a man is civilized, (i.e. treats others with  Shoeempress   Jun-01-05 02:01 PM   #2 
  - Here's how I see it  realisticphish   Jun-01-05 02:02 PM   #3 
  - One difference  oneold1-4u   Jun-01-05 02:14 PM   #5 
  - That's a bullshit argument I absolutely despise  Eloriel   Jun-01-05 11:13 PM   #27 
  - I noticed this book in the bookstore -  bloom   Jun-09-05 08:49 PM   #37 
  - Bill Maher's usage of the term turned me off  quiet.american   Jun-01-05 02:22 PM   #6 
  - Very interesting.  Ripley   Jun-01-05 02:47 PM   #13 
  - Yep -- Can you say, "Viagra." :)  quiet.american   Jun-01-05 03:05 PM   #16 
     - Well, about that Viagra thing...  Ripley   Jun-01-05 03:29 PM   #20 
        - Love your disclaimer! lol  quiet.american   Jun-01-05 03:33 PM   #21 
  - Maher is a confirmed misogynist -- tho I doubt he recognizes that  Eloriel   Jun-01-05 11:53 PM   #28 
     - You've noticed that too, huh?  smirkymonkey   Oct-30-05 10:37 AM   #54 
     - Of course Bill Maher loves women  bumblebee1   Apr-08-06 01:05 AM   #59 
  - If we'd get back in the dang kitchen, they'd feeeeeel like men again?  elehhhhna   Jun-01-05 02:27 PM   #8 
  - the androgynization of society is natural progression of  expatriot   Jun-01-05 02:37 PM   #9 
  - Can't have that  One_Life_To_Give   Jun-06-05 04:39 PM   #35 
  - Your a good man, like my husband, expatriot.  Maat   Jun-14-05 10:40 PM   #45 
  - I've noticed a lot of anti-feminist rhetoric ...  kweerwolf   Jun-01-05 02:44 PM   #10 
  - I'm not sure that's an anti-feminist reaction  jobycom   Jun-01-05 02:57 PM   #15 
     - Recent?  Eloriel   Jun-02-05 12:04 AM   #29 
        - Nothing new under the sun  Chovexani   Jun-02-05 11:42 PM   #33 
           - Are you familiar with the book by Suzanne Pharr  Eloriel   Jun-02-05 11:54 PM   #34 
           - Thanks, I'll have to read it  Chovexani   Jun-07-05 02:36 PM   #36 
           - have read several articles that stated that many think a man is gay  bobbieinok   Jul-18-05 09:45 PM   #52 
  - I'm getting sick of the feminization schtick.  atommom   Jun-01-05 02:44 PM   #11 
  - This guy seems to speak for him  bloom   Jun-09-05 09:03 PM   #38 
     - Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa KABLAM !  beam me up scottie   Jun-09-05 09:47 PM   #39 
        - It's scary to think  bloom   Jun-10-05 12:29 PM   #40 
        - Well, that explains  beam me up scottie   Jun-10-05 01:00 PM   #41 
        - What's with the Mariah Carey comment?  ccbombs   Jun-13-05 07:33 AM   #43 
        - That is probably  beam me up scottie   Jun-13-05 01:18 PM   #44 
        - Awfully sunny view of ancient times  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-15-05 09:43 AM   #49 
  - And BTW, I shared your frustration with sci-fi as a girl.  atommom   Jun-01-05 02:46 PM   #12 
  - Kindred spirit!  Ripley   Jun-01-05 03:06 PM   #17 
     - I played with dolls  jobycom   Jun-01-05 03:20 PM   #19 
     - I mostly played with dinosaurs, bugs, and toy horses.  atommom   Jun-01-05 03:43 PM   #22 
     - I played with that stuff, too. I just didn't limit what I played with.  jobycom   Jun-01-05 03:58 PM   #24 
     - I thought so too, once upon a time  Eloriel   Jun-02-05 12:07 AM   #30 
        - my son and many of his friends (4-6 or so) got GI Joe dolls and treated  bobbieinok   Jul-18-05 10:04 PM   #53 
     - My two sons LOVE Emeril.  atommom   Jun-15-05 08:00 AM   #48 
     - Ah yes, those all-male science fiction stories  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-15-05 09:47 AM   #50 
        - I loved sci-fi too  Nobody   Oct-30-05 04:26 PM   #55 
  - What's funny is most wing nuts deny the *real* feminization  SnowGoose   Jun-01-05 02:49 PM   #14 
  - Great point SnowGoose!  MountainLaurel   Jun-01-05 03:53 PM   #23 
  - Jesus wore a robe and kissed other men, and he never fought back  jobycom   Jun-01-05 03:12 PM   #18 
  - Words have power.  Ripley   Jun-01-05 04:11 PM   #25 
  - They have only the power and meaning we give them  jobycom   Jun-01-05 04:22 PM   #26 
  - I know this is a little technical, but....  Echo Three Bravo   Apr-01-06 08:51 AM   #56 
  - Absolutely brilliant post, Ripley  Eloriel   Jun-02-05 12:14 AM   #31 
  - I've found this frustrating for quite some time and I agree with  tnlefty   Jun-02-05 10:58 AM   #32 
  - Men should be who they want to be too  Nikia   Jun-11-05 04:16 PM   #42 
  - The macho-macho man type may have been functional when  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-15-05 12:14 AM   #46 
  - Not the mention the acceptance of male promiscuity and polygamy  ccbombs   Jun-15-05 02:24 AM   #47 
  - Oh, for pete's sake  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Apr-03-06 01:49 AM   #57 
  - There never was this historic "golden age of machismo"  Kipling   Apr-03-06 11:00 AM   #58 

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