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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 05:10 PM
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29. Gray zones.
At what point is a file declared to be 'program' file? If I write code, is the text file containing that code an executable? When I compile it, does that make it an executable? What about script files? Files that are interpreted by the OS/Shell? If THOSE are 'programs', how/why is a JPEG different, since it is basically an interpreted file as well.

This issue is one of those things that seems super easy, until you actually sit down and try to accomplish it. And if you take steps to make your OS impenetrable, you also make it impossible to use it in the way that makes computers useful in the first place. There are reasons that PC's took over in the space that used to be filled by dedicated word processing devices. That's because, by easily installing new programs, you could make a PC do a great many things OTHER than process words. Things that the designer of the original OS never prepared for nor imagined.
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  -Computer science: why are computer operating systems built to be so vulnerable txlibdem  Jul-30-11 02:55 PM   #0 
  - you have the right idea. start a company and sell great stuff :-) nt  msongs   Jul-30-11 02:59 PM   #1 
  - lol  Cronus Protagonist   Jul-30-11 03:00 PM   #2 
  - Easter eggs!  napoleon_in_rags   Jul-30-11 03:01 PM   #3 
  - Try a Linux live CD and then come back to us...  ProgressiveProfessor   Jul-30-11 03:32 PM   #8 
     - I use Ubuntu Linux  napoleon_in_rags   Jul-30-11 03:48 PM   #10 
        - Have you tried a Live (bootable) CD approach  ProgressiveProfessor   Jul-30-11 03:58 PM   #11 
           - Good suggestion  txlibdem   Jul-30-11 04:17 PM   #12 
           - Yes I have...They are also a god send if something screws up.  napoleon_in_rags   Jul-30-11 04:20 PM   #13 
  - Money  itsrobert   Jul-30-11 03:01 PM   #4 
  - It's a balance between security and usability, I'm pretty sure.  MineralMan   Jul-30-11 03:02 PM   #5 
  - Too much automation, too many cool bells and whistles  slackmaster   Jul-30-11 03:03 PM   #6 
  - You might want to start with understanding the concepts behind Von Neuman architecture  ProgressiveProfessor   Jul-30-11 03:31 PM   #7 
  - Not locked up like an iPhone, that's been hacked already ;-)  txlibdem   Jul-30-11 05:02 PM   #14 
     - If everything was built into the operating system...  Speck Tater   Jul-30-11 06:45 PM   #16 
     - You didn't read the last paragraph of my post  txlibdem   Jul-30-11 07:53 PM   #17 
        - hehe. And the cure to cancer is to just take out the cancerous cells.  Speck Tater   Jul-30-11 08:26 PM   #18 
        - A design that's more than vague generalities  txlibdem   Jul-31-11 07:05 AM   #20 
           - This reminds me of something...  Speck Tater   Jul-31-11 11:23 AM   #22 
              - Your post shows zero intent to hold an honest discussion on the topic  txlibdem   Jul-31-11 04:07 PM   #23 
              - Perhaps you should look up what an operating system is  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-31-11 04:37 PM   #26 
              - Perhaps you should look up what an Operating System should *not* be  txlibdem   Jul-31-11 04:52 PM   #28 
                 - No, really, it would help if you read something about the basics of computing  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-31-11 05:11 PM   #30 
                    - Muriel, please go back and *read* post #7. It most assuredly DOES NOT agree with you.  txlibdem   Jul-31-11 10:50 PM   #34 
                       - OK, let's look at post #7:  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-01-11 04:39 AM   #35 
                          - Memory failure on my part, sorry. I meant post #14, which is my reply to post #7  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 07:47 AM   #36 
                             - Pointing out that programs people use are not part of the OS is not 'childish'  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-01-11 11:43 AM   #40 
                                - Your ridiculous "do you want to help the Russian mafia? Huh? Huh?" question is a strawman.  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 03:54 PM   #42 
                                   - It's the last paragraph of #14 that is the problem with your idea  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-01-11 04:49 PM   #44 
                                      - My, oh my. You are trying sooo hard to be obtuse  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 05:56 PM   #46 
                                         - You're wrong. You are way out of your depth  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-01-11 07:21 PM   #49 
                                         - About 20 years ago I taught a freshman class in software engineering at Cal State Univ.  Speck Tater   Aug-01-11 08:51 PM   #51 
                                         - I've had teachers like you who think you know everything and no other thoughts are possible...  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 10:24 PM   #53 
                                         - Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha  Speck Tater   Aug-02-11 12:22 AM   #54 
                                         - Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha  Speck Tater   Aug-02-11 12:24 AM   #55 
                                         - Gawd, I wish we could have had an intelligent discussion on this topic  txlibdem   Aug-02-11 06:46 AM   #56 
                                         - Here, this is all you really needed:  trotsky   Aug-03-11 12:58 PM   #59 
                                         - If you say I haven't hit a nerve then I'll take your word for it...  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 09:51 PM   #52 
              - Before we can discuss the problem we need to agree on the cause of the problem.  Speck Tater   Jul-31-11 07:31 PM   #32 
              - Sheesh! So now you won't even admit that the problem is systematic  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 08:13 AM   #37 
                 - It ain't what you don't know, it's what you think you know that ain't so. I give up. nt  Speck Tater   Aug-01-11 10:09 AM   #39 
                    - I agree: it's like talking to a stone wall  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 04:04 PM   #43 
                       - One final remark...  Speck Tater   Aug-01-11 05:21 PM   #45 
                          - See post #4. ITSROBERT nailed it: M.O.N.E.Y.  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 06:04 PM   #47 
                             - You win/ You're smarter than me. I bow to your superior wisdom an insight. nt  Speck Tater   Aug-01-11 08:44 PM   #50 
                             - You gave it the ol college try. *backslap*  sudopod   Aug-18-11 02:20 PM   #86 
                             - You gave it the ol college try. *backslap*  sudopod   Aug-18-11 02:20 PM   #87 
                             - If there are no upgrades  Confusious   Aug-02-11 10:24 PM   #57 
                                - You seem to know a lot about software updates. Pray tell, what are the majority of updates for?  txlibdem   Aug-03-11 08:26 AM   #58 
                                   - One big flaw in your idea there  Confusious   Aug-04-11 12:51 PM   #61 
                                      - That's a strawman argument if ever I heard one  txlibdem   Aug-04-11 04:42 PM   #62 
                                         - It's a secret conspiracy.  laconicsax   Aug-04-11 05:07 PM   #63 
                                         - Thanks for the comedy relief!  txlibdem   Aug-04-11 05:40 PM   #64 
                                         - After reviewing some of your posts  Confusious   Aug-04-11 08:36 PM   #67 
                                         - Repeating the argument from Spec Tater in post #18, see post #20.  txlibdem   Aug-05-11 08:36 PM   #68 
              - I can see that you are clearly management material. nt  sudopod   Aug-18-11 02:13 PM   #85 
              - That's a good analogy.  bananas   Jul-31-11 04:23 PM   #25 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-31-11 04:40 PM   #27 
        - I'll be more blunt.  Occulus   Jul-30-11 10:18 PM   #19 
           - You are joking, right? What is your point, exactly.  txlibdem   Jul-31-11 07:09 AM   #21 
           - No, Don't stop.  Ready4Change   Jul-31-11 06:00 PM   #31 
              - Thank you for the encouraging words  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 08:39 AM   #38 
              - That's another good analogy  bananas   Aug-06-11 05:49 PM   #71 
                 - Amen  caraher   Aug-07-11 07:01 AM   #73 
                    - Logical systems cannot be "airtight" in the way that one might imagine  txlibdem   Aug-09-11 09:24 AM   #75 
                       - Are you familiar with Goedel's Theorem?  caraher   Aug-09-11 12:24 PM   #76 
                       - Everybody's got a theory that removes blame for their failure or lack of vision  txlibdem   Aug-09-11 04:04 PM   #78 
                          - Now there's a very interesting analogy - Creationists say evolution is "just a theory"  bananas   Aug-17-11 12:29 AM   #84 
                       - Let me ask a question...  caraher   Aug-09-11 12:59 PM   #77 
                          - I've answered your question, posed by another poster, not into infinite repitition  txlibdem   Aug-09-11 04:22 PM   #79 
                             - The difficulty is *pure* logic  caraher   Aug-10-11 09:24 PM   #80 
                             - Using your analogy, *you* are the climate denier  txlibdem   Aug-10-11 10:05 PM   #81 
                             - "the CEO, the VP(s) and Department Heads...where the rules of a program or OS are set"  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-20-11 06:42 AM   #88 
     - That's not called an "operating system", it's called an "appliance".  bananas   Jul-31-11 10:01 PM   #33 
        - I recall a certain multi-billionaire who said the computer *needs* to evolve into an appliance  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 02:34 PM   #41 
  - As a retired software engineer, that idea just can't work.  Speck Tater   Jul-30-11 03:32 PM   #9 
  - See my reply to post #7, hate to type all that out again  txlibdem   Jul-30-11 05:05 PM   #15 
  - Microsoft tried that with Windows NT  bananas   Jul-31-11 04:21 PM   #24 
  - I was surprised ...  Nihil   Aug-12-11 08:24 AM   #82 
     - I liked VMS  caraher   Aug-12-11 12:56 PM   #83 
  - Gray zones.  Ready4Change   Jul-31-11 05:10 PM   #29 
  - That's kinda my point  txlibdem   Aug-01-11 06:19 PM   #48 
  - This thread is great!  laconicsax   Aug-03-11 02:21 PM   #60 
  - :-)  txlibdem   Aug-04-11 05:44 PM   #65 
  - One partial solution: revert to original state.  sofa king   Aug-04-11 07:16 PM   #66 
  - expandability is the reason, and as someone who  Riftaxe   Aug-05-11 11:39 PM   #69 
  - I don't disagree  txlibdem   Aug-06-11 10:14 AM   #70 
  - Run linux Live CD..... you cannot corrupt what you cannot write to, on the other hand  HysteryDiagnosis   Aug-06-11 05:55 PM   #72 
  - You can still get a virus  bananas   Aug-07-11 08:22 AM   #74 
  - As someone who has used Windoze for 18 years and Linux distros on and off for 7 years...  steve2470   Aug-20-11 09:11 AM   #89 

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