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Mon May-30-11 04:47 PM
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Keep spouting bullshit long enough, someone will notice that "it don't work", and people will move on to some other hypothesis. For those hypotheses that actually have science behind them, people notice that "hey, this DOES work" in which case even people whose other beliefs contradict the underlying hypothesis will hypocritically accept it. You don't see too many Christian fundamentalists refusing to fill up their gas tank because the oil was found using evolution and geology. And the sects that have some quibble with modern (scientific) medicine get into legal trouble for denying treatments.
How long the bullshit will keep suckering people in is harder to predict. Phrenology had a short run of about 30 years, but homeopathy, a contemporaneous quackery of a different sort is still going strong.
The reason historians haven't found a relationship between the scientific revolution and the death of astrology is because the revolution has only begun. Only the historians of 3000 or 4000AD are going to be able to answer this one in full. The percentage of the population that have truly accepted the scientific way of thinking is still in the single digits.
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| -What caused the death of astrology? |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 04:13 PM |
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Except for the Reagan administration, of course... |
hlthe2b |
May-30-11 04:19 PM |
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There's a group on DU for it too. |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 04:23 PM |
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I would have posted in that group, but ... |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 04:32 PM |
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Nor do I. |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 04:46 PM |
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Just as the DU Pets Group is not the place |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 07:20 PM |
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I don't know about that. |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 08:42 PM |
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Be that as it may, others would be offended. n/t |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 09:39 PM |
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Astrology isn't fiction |
lbrtbell |
May-30-11 05:48 PM |
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No astrology is fiction |
WatsonT |
May-30-11 05:52 PM |
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Sorry, but it is. |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 08:39 PM |
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Poor Nancy. |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 04:49 PM |
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. |
laconicsax |
May-30-11 04:20 PM |
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Science killed astrology |
sakabatou |
May-30-11 04:23 PM |
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Did you read the Original Post of this thread? |
Boojatta |
May-30-11 05:29 PM |
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Increasing literacy rates and public education |
WatsonT |
May-30-11 05:53 PM |
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Educated people are, by definition, literate. |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 10:53 PM |
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But literate people are not necessarily educated |
WatsonT |
May-30-11 10:58 PM |
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Let's talk about dates. |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-31-11 12:52 AM |
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"astrology "died" (or was marginalized) during the latter half of the seventeenth century" |
WatsonT |
May-31-11 04:51 PM |
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When and why do you think that happened? |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-31-11 07:40 PM |
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Personally, I think it's an interesting topic |
lillypaddle |
May-30-11 04:24 PM |
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the ancient Egyptians were advanced beyond nearly all cultures... |
hlthe2b |
May-30-11 04:39 PM |
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Because keeping slaves and hereditary rule is so advanced... |
jberryhill |
May-31-11 07:48 AM |
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How does that negate their advances in science, construction.. |
hlthe2b |
May-31-11 07:59 AM |
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The thread is about astrology |
jberryhill |
May-31-11 10:05 AM |
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Yes... it is about astrology... not about slavery & whatever other |
hlthe2b |
May-31-11 11:35 AM |
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Mysticism has always been a tool for hierarchical control |
jberryhill |
May-31-11 12:12 PM |
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Egypt was a fairly simple society, they just had a lot of manpower, |
Odin2005 |
Jun-02-11 01:22 AM |
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The introduction of soft sciences |
Riftaxe |
May-30-11 04:26 PM |
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The soft sciences like psychology, sociology, ... |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 05:03 PM |
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You might be taking Riftaxe too literally. |
Boojatta |
May-30-11 05:37 PM |
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there is a reason reputable is in quotes |
Riftaxe |
Jun-01-11 01:37 AM |
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Some sciences are more reputable than others. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-01-11 12:25 PM |
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Real hard science killed it and the alchemists. |
ChrisBorg |
May-30-11 04:30 PM |
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Alchemy is different. |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 05:16 PM |
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but there is nothing worthwhile in it |
Warren Stupidity |
May-30-11 06:57 PM |
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The loss of confidence in astrology among the elite |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-30-11 07:55 PM |
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The distinction between "astronomy" and "astrology" is an anachronism before about 1700 |
Recursion |
May-31-11 07:48 AM |
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Yes and no. |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-31-11 11:41 AM |
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Thinking back, I agree with you, Group Captain |
Recursion |
May-31-11 12:26 PM |
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The notation we now use in differential calculus |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-31-11 03:41 PM |
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I have, however, read the Principia |
Recursion |
May-31-11 04:15 PM |
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"I also just like Leibniz's notation better." |
laconicsax |
May-31-11 04:13 PM |
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specifically, the fact that it lets you treat dx as something is important |
Recursion |
May-31-11 04:16 PM |
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The naive concept of a differential is indispensable. |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-31-11 08:07 PM |
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It don't work |
izquierdista |
May-30-11 04:47 PM |
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Well shit, |
lillypaddle |
May-30-11 04:52 PM |
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"Sexual Astrology" is even better.. |
Viva_La_Revolution |
May-31-11 10:56 AM |
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Hey... If by "works", someone means "you can get laid" |
jberryhill |
May-31-11 11:21 AM |
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Eh? Newton was an occultist |
Recursion |
May-31-11 07:45 AM |
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Newton's theory of gravity involved occult forces, |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-31-11 03:19 PM |
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Just guessing but it might have been ... |
GeorgeGist |
May-31-11 07:05 PM |
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Nope, because it was "common sense" that started it. |
laconicsax |
May-31-11 07:29 PM |
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Some of this "common sense" is still with us. |
Lionel Mandrake |
May-31-11 08:20 PM |
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Well, nobody ever really thought the world is flat |
Recursion |
Jun-01-11 08:25 AM |
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Some did, and some still do think the Earth is flat. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-01-11 02:11 PM |
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Sailing |
Recursion |
Jun-01-11 02:30 PM |
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You're right. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-01-11 03:26 PM |
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Oops - I forgot about the precession of the equinoxes. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-01-11 05:15 PM |
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Yes, I did a paper on that |
Recursion |
Jun-01-11 09:01 PM |
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That just makes things exciting. |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 09:32 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 02:18 PM |
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It's found in poetic language even today |
Recursion |
Jun-01-11 02:28 PM |
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Irreproducible results. |
Orsino |
Jun-01-11 02:48 PM |
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Here's a reproducible result: |
laconicsax |
Jun-01-11 02:55 PM |
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Some suggestions: |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-01-11 06:45 PM |
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Very interesting. Thank you. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-01-11 08:59 PM |
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About that web site |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-02-11 12:40 PM |
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Where does that site point out that |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-02-11 08:49 PM |
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Was royal patronage of astrology a 16th century fad? |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-05-11 03:33 PM |
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There might have been plausible reasons for early people to believe in some crude astrology |
struggle4progress |
Jun-03-11 09:22 PM |
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Recursion made a similar point in post #53 |
Lionel Mandrake |
Jun-05-11 03:58 PM |
#72 |
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