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Reply #1: According to the article, you would need a solar sail 1 kilometer in area for interstellar travel. [View All]

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1. According to the article, you would need a solar sail 1 kilometer in area for interstellar travel.Updated at 5:48 PM
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 10:11 AM by Ian David
However, I bet you could do it with a much smaller sail if you were willing to orbit the sun a few times to build up momentum before heading out of the solar system.

Or, you could accelerate them with a laser beam.

In that case, the only problem I see with using a small sail would be decelerating once you reach your destination.

And if I'm right, there's no reason why we couldn't launch an interstellar nanoprobe within a decade or less.

Here's my plan:

Launch a whole series of solar sail nanoprobes, one after the other, to Alpah Centauri.

Each probe would transmit data to the next probe that was launched behind it, eliminating the need for a transmitter powerful enough to broadcast all the way back to Earth. Low-power signals would be relayed back to Earth, using something similar to Internet protocol.

Continue doing this until you have a constant "loop" of 50 or more nanoprobes circulating between Earth and Alpha Centauri.

If Alpha Centauri proves to be "boring," you could simply re-direct all (or some) of the nanoprobes to a different star system.

If we wanted to do a sample-return mission, we could decelerate the probes with a laser beam once they returned to our solar system.

But by the time the probes returned to Earth, hobbyists would be able to retrieve them with their family space ship.



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  Backward star ain't from around here n2doc  Nov-12-09 09:55 AM   #0 
   According to the article, you would need a solar sail 1 kilometer in area for interstellar travel.  Ian David   Nov-12-09 10:10 AM   #1 
      I've often thought about that they could easly do this.  skoalyman   Nov-12-09 01:12 PM   #2 
      To decelerate on the far end you use two sails, one as a reflector  Fumesucker   Nov-12-09 04:18 PM   #3 
      At the other end, on an interstellar mission, the probe would be out of range of the laser.  Ian David   Nov-12-09 10:00 PM   #6 
         It depends on the size of the mirror sail..  Fumesucker   Nov-12-09 10:30 PM   #7 
            Deceleration laser should be launched FIRST, so it will be parked at Alpha Centauri...  Ian David   Nov-12-09 11:16 PM   #8 
               No, a deceleration laser is going to be a massive device..  Fumesucker   Nov-13-09 12:00 AM   #9 
      I think the 1km sail is already with a laser powering it  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-12-09 09:27 PM   #4 
         You would circle the sun building up momentum from light pressure AND gravity slingshots. n/t  Ian David   Nov-12-09 09:58 PM   #5 
            But you can't build up speed beyond escape velocity, by definition  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-13-09 05:19 AM   #10 
               You can't build up enough speed from light pressure to exceed escape velocity...  Ian David   Nov-13-09 08:27 AM   #11 
                  What I'm saying is that while you're still circling the sun, you're not going very fast  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-13-09 08:54 AM   #12 
                  I can pilot a sailboat around an island faster than the escape velocity from the island's gravity...  Ian David   Nov-13-09 08:58 AM   #13 
                     Because then you'd need to be putting force, and energy, into changing your direction  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-13-09 09:56 AM   #14 
                        I'm not talking about accelerating with gravity. I'm talking about accelerating with light pressure.  Ian David   Nov-13-09 10:04 AM   #15 
                           Yes, that's the point; you'd be wasting the acceleration you can get from the sail  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-13-09 11:00 AM   #16 
                           Thanks! I get it now. I'm a little slow with these things. n/t  Ian David   Nov-13-09 12:25 PM   #18 
                           You would need to accelerate *toward* the sun ..  Fumesucker   Nov-13-09 12:01 PM   #17 
                  To keep circling the sun you either need to be in a natural orbit  krispos42DU Moderator   Nov-13-09 12:55 PM   #19 
 

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