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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 01:03 AM
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Shouting down a speaker violates the speaker's first amendment rights.
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After the Muslim students at UC Irvine were convicted of conspiring to disrupt a speech by an Israeli ambassador, I've come to the conclusion that disrupting others' speech violates their 1st amendment rights and therefore cannot reasonably be protected free speech. Now while I normally support the American Civil Liberties Union I am disappointed that its Southern California chapter executive director decided to stand with the people who disrupted the speech: "If allowed to stand, this will undoubtedly intimidate students in Orange County and across the state and discourage them from engaging in any controversial speech or protest for fear of criminal charges." C'mon, that is just plain ridiculous. As I've said in the original DU thread linked, the sensible alternative to shouting down Michael Oren would have been to engage in controversial speech in another venue, as ACLUSC exec dir Hector Villagra said.

Is it not a crime to deprive another person of civil rights? That's the criminal conviction that two of the police officers who beat Rodney King got in federal court. Think about this: if a right-wing astroturf group paid a group of people to attend a Barack Obama speech and shout Obama down with right-wing talking points, would you defend the people's actions, and would that be criminal?
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  -Shouting down a speaker violates the speaker's first amendment rights. alp227  Sep-27-11 01:03 AM   #0 
  - That's implying one's speech is more important.  Tunkamerica   Sep-27-11 01:20 AM   #1 
  - +1  Exultant Democracy   Sep-27-11 01:26 AM   #2 
  - More entitled to speak in a specific venue? Yes, actually  petronius   Sep-27-11 01:31 AM   #3 
  - The G20 protests, wearing the wrong t-shirt at a bush rally, etc..  X_Digger   Sep-27-11 10:44 PM   #13 
     - Perhaps we're all interpreting things differently, but the OP specifically says  petronius   Sep-27-11 11:55 PM   #15 
        - If you climb up on a soap box in a public space..  X_Digger   Sep-28-11 07:55 AM   #16 
        - That's true - but I said "specific venue" in my first post  petronius   Sep-28-11 10:20 AM   #17 
           - What is determinant would be the 'specific venue'..  X_Digger   Sep-28-11 02:19 PM   #19 
              - My classroom is in a public building, and it's our campus policy that visitors  petronius   Sep-28-11 02:59 PM   #20 
                 - If you had your class on the quad, yes..  X_Digger   Sep-28-11 11:35 PM   #21 
        - Right to be heard?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-29-11 03:04 PM   #23 
           - I didn't say anyone was required to listen. Rather, there are circumstances where  petronius   Sep-29-11 03:28 PM   #26 
              - If you're speaking in a public place....  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-29-11 04:02 PM   #27 
                 - Simply put, that is not universally true. Publicly-owned property or not,  petronius   Sep-29-11 04:31 PM   #28 
  - That's not speech. It's attempting to prevent speech.  TheWraith   Sep-27-11 01:41 AM   #4 
  - Agree, I think about this UC Irvine incident  alp227   Sep-27-11 12:11 PM   #8 
  - Private property v public space..  X_Digger   Sep-27-11 10:48 PM   #14 
     - Only the silliest idiots would ever make that assumption  Riftaxe   Oct-07-11 11:18 PM   #29 
  - can I come to your kids' birthday parties and spout obscenities the whole time? nt  msongs   Sep-27-11 02:41 AM   #5 
  - Maybe if it was in a public space, and I had kids.  Tunkamerica   Sep-27-11 03:22 AM   #7 
  - If i had said party in a public area  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-29-11 03:06 PM   #24 
  - +1 n/t  X_Digger   Sep-27-11 10:38 PM   #11 
  - Um, the government doesnt have the right to stop free speech.  Kablooie   Sep-27-11 03:20 AM   #6 
  - you might want to take a course in basic civics..  frylock   Sep-27-11 02:45 PM   #9 
  - you might want to see US Code Title 18 Section 241  alp227   Sep-27-11 03:30 PM   #10 
     - Didn't see any..  X_Digger   Sep-27-11 10:42 PM   #12 
     - i stand corrected and i apologize for my tone  frylock   Sep-28-11 10:29 AM   #18 
     - Not the same thing.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-29-11 03:08 PM   #25 
  - It is a crime...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-29-11 03:03 PM   #22 

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