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Mon Jan-31-11 10:07 PM
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| 113. Read the conversation. The target "moved" because I was asked |
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Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 10:08 PM by mhatrw
about something other than the OP.
I have been 100% consistent on this forum and in every post I have ever made on the entire internet about vaccines. I am concerned about mercury and aluminum in vaccines and think while most people tolerate both well, both could potentially result in severe health problems for the subset of people who are most genetically sensitive to these heavy metals.
I also think that the effectiveness of both Gardasil & flu vaccines has been ridiculously oversold.
I don't have any problem with vaccination in general. In fact, I have a problem with any person (or internet site) who claims that vaccination itself is a complete scam. I often put these people in their place thusly: If vaccination itself were a complete scam, then why do so many of the best and most experienced animal breeders pay for them?
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| -The CDC on single-dose vs. multi-dose vials of vaccines or any other medications |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 05:38 PM |
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There is not even an economic argument for multi-dose vials over pre-filled, single use syringes |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 05:44 PM |
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The Australian Infection Control Association (AICA) comes out against multi-dose flu vaccinations. |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 05:49 PM |
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You know that there's no evidence that thimerosal in vaccines is harmful at all, right? |
TheWraith |
Jan-26-11 06:12 PM |
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And there is no proof that it is safe either. |
pnwmom |
Jan-26-11 06:58 PM |
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Because ethyl mercury isn't a heavy metal. |
trotsky |
Jan-26-11 07:47 PM |
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One drop of thimerosal is enough to kill the average healthy one-year-old almost immediately! |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 08:42 PM |
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One pound of table salt is enough to kill a healthy one year old immediately! |
Warpy |
Jan-26-11 09:21 PM |
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I am discussing injectable flu vaccines. |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 09:53 PM |
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You're injecting a big fat red herring and everybody else knows it. |
Warpy |
Jan-27-11 03:09 PM |
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LOL. How about explaining why should risk infection AND get a shot of ethyl-mercury when |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:34 PM |
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Such a woeful lack of understanding of even the most basic principles... |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:14 AM |
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It's really amazing how you always resort to posts that have no substance |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:47 PM |
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... |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:50 PM |
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+1,000,000,000,000!!! |
HuckleB |
Jan-27-11 09:21 PM |
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The Thimerosal that doesn't get flushed out accumulates in the brain, |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 12:16 AM |
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Because there is no evidence that it causes any harm? |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:15 AM |
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Because mercury is 50% of our dental fillings by weight? |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:53 PM |
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How much mercury is in a red herring? n/t |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:50 PM |
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Because there is not enough evidence that it is safe. |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 08:55 PM |
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There's not enough evidence to call ANYTHING "truly" safe. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:15 AM |
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It's a highly toxic substance. Why unnecessarily inject it into yourself and you kids when |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 07:45 PM |
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Do you eat tuna? |
trotsky |
Jan-26-11 08:06 PM |
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Sure, I always feed my infants can after can of tuna. |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 08:41 PM |
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Thanks for the serious answer. |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:10 AM |
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No wonder you win every argument. |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:51 PM |
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I win against you every time because the facts are on my side. |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:45 PM |
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Only in your imagination. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:28 PM |
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I never ate any tuna while I was pregnant, |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 12:21 AM |
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Excellent! Now, the harder question: |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:10 AM |
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If you are asking about toxicity to mammals, the answer is not much. |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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And now, the next exercise: |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:44 PM |
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Do you know what smug means? |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 08:52 PM |
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Got red herring? |
HuckleB |
Jan-27-11 09:22 PM |
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I am definitely seeing examples from another individual. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:05 AM |
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And now, the next exercise. Explain why it is a bad idea for us to pay about $1 more per dose |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 10:55 PM |
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That you couldn't address the point tells me all I need to know. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:05 AM |
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Simple economics! Ethyl mercury in vaccines is good for shareholders! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 10:05 AM |
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Of course, once again, you can't address the facts but instead attack. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 10:08 AM |
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Jan-28-11 10:18 AM |
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You have shown your true colors. |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 11:27 AM |
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My true colors are that I go by the facts. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 01:05 PM |
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If you took off your dark glasses you'd be able to see better. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:46 AM |
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Not even sure what you were trying to imply with that one. |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:33 PM |
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Un-fucking-believable! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 06:22 PM |
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Selective, out-of-context quoting from an article about vaccines in developing countries. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:26 PM |
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Say what? |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:37 PM |
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And what the title of the article you cited again? |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 02:59 AM |
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You keep thinking that matters. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:55 AM |
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Big Pharma treats the USA as a developing country. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 12:17 PM |
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Actually I'm sure vaccine manufacturers would love to charge 15 cents more per shot. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 12:41 PM |
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LOL. It's not a conspiracy. Vaccine manufacturers have plants set up to produce millions of |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 01:00 PM |
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So which conspiracy is it? |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 02:58 PM |
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What are they going to do with their multi-dose vaccine manufacturing plants |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 06:05 PM |
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They really need separate manufacturing plants to fill different vial sizes? |
laconicsax |
Jan-31-11 06:56 PM |
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Answer the question . |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:06 PM |
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Because they can make more doses quicker by selling multi-dose vials. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:23 AM |
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So you believe that vaccine manufacturers, when given the choice... |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 06:00 AM |
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OK. Fine. Let's posit that vaccine manufacturers would rather sell single-dose flu vaccines to |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:36 PM |
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"Who is stopping them from doing so? Why?" |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 01:12 PM |
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And we have gone full circle. n/t |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 02:00 PM |
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I know more than you do, apparently. |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 08:50 PM |
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I know enough to not base any medical decisions on one lone study. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:07 AM |
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There are many other studies, which I've listed in the past, |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:27 PM |
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Oh I've read them. |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:35 PM |
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"No one can say with absolute certainty that there's no risk." |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-11 06:44 PM |
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Dosage matters more than Identity |
evirus |
Jan-28-11 07:14 AM |
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Where are the animal toxicological studies showing which dosages are perfectly safe & which are not? |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 10:10 AM |
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im not a library nor am i a librarian |
evirus |
Jan-28-11 11:47 AM |
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Quote mine? The OP reproduced paragraphs 3-5 in full from a 7 paragraph website! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 05:12 PM |
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Tell that to the parents of the Thalidomide babies. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:28 PM |
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Mmmm, delicious red herring! |
trotsky |
Jan-29-11 08:40 PM |
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I'm not anti-vaccination. I'm pro-safe-vaccination. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 08:58 PM |
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"Pro-safe vaccination" is a term used as an attempt to hide anti-vaccination motivations. |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:15 PM |
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Yeah, right. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 11:55 PM |
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You claim to have vaccinated your children, yet you bash vaccines at all costs. |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:56 PM |
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I vaccinated my children, and there is no conflict at all |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:02 AM |
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You claim one thing, while clearly advocating for another. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 12:05 AM |
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I argue for safe vaccines. Unlike you, I don't think that's a contradiction in terms. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:45 AM |
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This is where you are off base. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 05:41 AM |
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I have never once pushed an anti-vaccine position. |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 10:40 AM |
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You push every spin that the anti-vaccine movement offers. |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 12:51 AM |
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LMAO - you know what? |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 07:23 AM |
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Wow! You caught me! What you said makes perfect sense! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 10:13 AM |
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Learn how to read websites, and then maybe people will take you seriously. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 10:28 AM |
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. |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 11:24 AM |
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Learn some common sense and people will take you seriously. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:32 PM |
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Oh I've got the common sense. |
trotsky |
Jan-29-11 08:36 PM |
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I'm not as familiar with the "anti-vax movement" as you appear to be. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 09:00 PM |
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The only people who bring up the term "pro-vaccine safety" are those who know the anti-vaxers well. |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:08 PM |
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Every parent I know is pro-vaccine safety and pro-medication safety. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 11:58 PM |
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And the great "BIG PHARMA" label comes to the fore, in a last ditch attempt.... |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:59 PM |
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Interesting how you always avoid that question. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:03 AM |
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I tend to avoid ridiculous questions, especially when they only serve incriminate the questioner. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 12:04 AM |
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Still no answer. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:05 AM |
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Thank you for continuing to prove my point on this matter. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 12:07 AM |
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I don't dispute the efficacy of vaccines or their general safety. |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:54 AM |
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You repeat that mantra over and over again, while your repetitive posts indicate otherwise. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 05:38 AM |
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So you can read minds? |
mhatrw |
Jan-30-11 09:55 AM |
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Nope. |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 12:49 AM |
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in your crystal ball n/t |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 03:02 AM |
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Is that your only answer? |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 09:16 AM |
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I repeat myself because you make the same accusations over and over. |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 10:37 AM |
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Uh huh. |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 12:50 AM |
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You wield those words like the Republicans use "pro-life" and "pro-abortion." |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:32 PM |
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LOL. You want vaccines to be exactly as safe as they already are. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 03:11 AM |
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So where's your bar? |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:56 AM |
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I will consider flu vaccines safe enough when they are all single-dose |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 12:25 PM |
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So you think all other vaccines are safe, then? |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 12:46 PM |
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No, I think aluminum adjuvants need a lot of further study. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 12:55 PM |
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So in other words, it's a moving target. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 03:00 PM |
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You are 100% wrong. The target has always been the same. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 06:13 PM |
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TONS of things you think are harmless are toxic at higher doses. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:05 PM |
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Of course they are. But most of these other things don't have the mercury level about a 8 oz can of |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 09:56 PM |
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Do you actually understand anything about comparative quantities |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 06:01 AM |
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Again, what is your point other than to simply assert that I am stupid and ignorant? |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:33 PM |
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I am not calling you stupid. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 01:57 PM |
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Why not try to convey some actual knowledge, then? |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 02:13 PM |
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Believe me, I've tried. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 02:35 PM |
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And yet another post devoid of anything but a long and drawn out personal attack on me. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 03:51 PM |
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I've already presented copious amounts of data to disprove every claim you've made. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 05:09 PM |
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I like how you say the target hasn't moved then list three new targets. |
laconicsax |
Jan-31-11 07:30 PM |
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Read the conversation. The target "moved" because I was asked |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 10:07 PM |
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You can't even stay consistent within a subthread! |
laconicsax |
Feb-01-11 12:19 AM |
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Wow! You caught me red-handed! Are you sure you're not related to Matlock? |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:26 AM |
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So |
Dorian Gray |
Feb-01-11 12:44 PM |
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If the benefit is small, then it is particularly critical for the risk to be even smaller. n/t |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 02:01 PM |
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How great is the risk? |
Dorian Gray |
Feb-01-11 04:21 PM |
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Good question. You tell me. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 04:29 PM |
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Considering the constantly moving goal posts offered, it likely makes no difference. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 02:25 PM |
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What thread? n/t |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 03:52 PM |
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. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 04:17 PM |
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Thanks for the plug! |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 04:25 PM |
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You were clearly defending Wakefield. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 04:26 PM |
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Wakefield is completely compromised, IMHO. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 04:31 PM |
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Nice partial backpedal. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 04:43 PM |
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I am not a health care worker, nor to I play one on TV. |
Callisto32 |
Jan-28-11 12:27 PM |
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That's how it should be done. |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 11:57 PM |
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That's always been my concern |
upi402 |
Jan-31-11 06:30 PM |
#107 |
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