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Sat Jan-29-11 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #61 |
| 62. I'm not anti-vaccination. I'm pro-safe-vaccination. |
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And you, apparently, don't have any concerns about vaccine safety, just vaccine profits.
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| -The CDC on single-dose vs. multi-dose vials of vaccines or any other medications |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 05:38 PM |
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There is not even an economic argument for multi-dose vials over pre-filled, single use syringes |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 05:44 PM |
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The Australian Infection Control Association (AICA) comes out against multi-dose flu vaccinations. |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 05:49 PM |
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You know that there's no evidence that thimerosal in vaccines is harmful at all, right? |
TheWraith |
Jan-26-11 06:12 PM |
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And there is no proof that it is safe either. |
pnwmom |
Jan-26-11 06:58 PM |
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Because ethyl mercury isn't a heavy metal. |
trotsky |
Jan-26-11 07:47 PM |
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One drop of thimerosal is enough to kill the average healthy one-year-old almost immediately! |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 08:42 PM |
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One pound of table salt is enough to kill a healthy one year old immediately! |
Warpy |
Jan-26-11 09:21 PM |
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I am discussing injectable flu vaccines. |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 09:53 PM |
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You're injecting a big fat red herring and everybody else knows it. |
Warpy |
Jan-27-11 03:09 PM |
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LOL. How about explaining why should risk infection AND get a shot of ethyl-mercury when |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:34 PM |
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Such a woeful lack of understanding of even the most basic principles... |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:14 AM |
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It's really amazing how you always resort to posts that have no substance |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:47 PM |
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... |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:50 PM |
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+1,000,000,000,000!!! |
HuckleB |
Jan-27-11 09:21 PM |
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The Thimerosal that doesn't get flushed out accumulates in the brain, |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 12:16 AM |
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Because there is no evidence that it causes any harm? |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:15 AM |
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Because mercury is 50% of our dental fillings by weight? |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:53 PM |
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How much mercury is in a red herring? n/t |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:50 PM |
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Because there is not enough evidence that it is safe. |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 08:55 PM |
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There's not enough evidence to call ANYTHING "truly" safe. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:15 AM |
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It's a highly toxic substance. Why unnecessarily inject it into yourself and you kids when |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 07:45 PM |
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Do you eat tuna? |
trotsky |
Jan-26-11 08:06 PM |
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Sure, I always feed my infants can after can of tuna. |
mhatrw |
Jan-26-11 08:41 PM |
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Thanks for the serious answer. |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:10 AM |
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No wonder you win every argument. |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:51 PM |
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I win against you every time because the facts are on my side. |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:45 PM |
#25 |
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Only in your imagination. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:28 PM |
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I never ate any tuna while I was pregnant, |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 12:21 AM |
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Excellent! Now, the harder question: |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 06:10 AM |
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If you are asking about toxicity to mammals, the answer is not much. |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 03:41 PM |
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And now, the next exercise: |
trotsky |
Jan-27-11 05:44 PM |
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Do you know what smug means? |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 08:52 PM |
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Got red herring? |
HuckleB |
Jan-27-11 09:22 PM |
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I am definitely seeing examples from another individual. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:05 AM |
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And now, the next exercise. Explain why it is a bad idea for us to pay about $1 more per dose |
mhatrw |
Jan-27-11 10:55 PM |
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That you couldn't address the point tells me all I need to know. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:05 AM |
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Simple economics! Ethyl mercury in vaccines is good for shareholders! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 10:05 AM |
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Of course, once again, you can't address the facts but instead attack. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 10:08 AM |
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Jan-28-11 10:18 AM |
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You have shown your true colors. |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 11:27 AM |
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My true colors are that I go by the facts. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 01:05 PM |
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If you took off your dark glasses you'd be able to see better. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:46 AM |
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Not even sure what you were trying to imply with that one. |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:33 PM |
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Un-fucking-believable! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 06:22 PM |
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Selective, out-of-context quoting from an article about vaccines in developing countries. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:26 PM |
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Say what? |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:37 PM |
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And what the title of the article you cited again? |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 02:59 AM |
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You keep thinking that matters. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:55 AM |
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Big Pharma treats the USA as a developing country. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 12:17 PM |
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Actually I'm sure vaccine manufacturers would love to charge 15 cents more per shot. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 12:41 PM |
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LOL. It's not a conspiracy. Vaccine manufacturers have plants set up to produce millions of |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 01:00 PM |
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So which conspiracy is it? |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 02:58 PM |
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What are they going to do with their multi-dose vaccine manufacturing plants |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 06:05 PM |
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They really need separate manufacturing plants to fill different vial sizes? |
laconicsax |
Jan-31-11 06:56 PM |
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Answer the question . |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:06 PM |
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Because they can make more doses quicker by selling multi-dose vials. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:23 AM |
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So you believe that vaccine manufacturers, when given the choice... |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 06:00 AM |
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OK. Fine. Let's posit that vaccine manufacturers would rather sell single-dose flu vaccines to |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:36 PM |
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"Who is stopping them from doing so? Why?" |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 01:12 PM |
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And we have gone full circle. n/t |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 02:00 PM |
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I know more than you do, apparently. |
pnwmom |
Jan-27-11 08:50 PM |
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I know enough to not base any medical decisions on one lone study. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 06:07 AM |
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There are many other studies, which I've listed in the past, |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:27 PM |
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Oh I've read them. |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:35 PM |
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"No one can say with absolute certainty that there's no risk." |
mzmolly |
Jan-28-11 06:44 PM |
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Dosage matters more than Identity |
evirus |
Jan-28-11 07:14 AM |
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Where are the animal toxicological studies showing which dosages are perfectly safe & which are not? |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 10:10 AM |
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im not a library nor am i a librarian |
evirus |
Jan-28-11 11:47 AM |
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Quote mine? The OP reproduced paragraphs 3-5 in full from a 7 paragraph website! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 05:12 PM |
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Tell that to the parents of the Thalidomide babies. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:28 PM |
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Mmmm, delicious red herring! |
trotsky |
Jan-29-11 08:40 PM |
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I'm not anti-vaccination. I'm pro-safe-vaccination. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 08:58 PM |
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"Pro-safe vaccination" is a term used as an attempt to hide anti-vaccination motivations. |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:15 PM |
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Yeah, right. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 11:55 PM |
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You claim to have vaccinated your children, yet you bash vaccines at all costs. |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:56 PM |
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I vaccinated my children, and there is no conflict at all |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:02 AM |
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You claim one thing, while clearly advocating for another. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 12:05 AM |
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I argue for safe vaccines. Unlike you, I don't think that's a contradiction in terms. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:45 AM |
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This is where you are off base. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 05:41 AM |
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I have never once pushed an anti-vaccine position. |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 10:40 AM |
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You push every spin that the anti-vaccine movement offers. |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 12:51 AM |
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LMAO - you know what? |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 07:23 AM |
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Wow! You caught me! What you said makes perfect sense! |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 10:13 AM |
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Learn how to read websites, and then maybe people will take you seriously. |
trotsky |
Jan-28-11 10:28 AM |
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. |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 11:24 AM |
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Learn some common sense and people will take you seriously. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 05:32 PM |
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Oh I've got the common sense. |
trotsky |
Jan-29-11 08:36 PM |
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I'm not as familiar with the "anti-vax movement" as you appear to be. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 09:00 PM |
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The only people who bring up the term "pro-vaccine safety" are those who know the anti-vaxers well. |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:08 PM |
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Every parent I know is pro-vaccine safety and pro-medication safety. |
pnwmom |
Jan-29-11 11:58 PM |
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And the great "BIG PHARMA" label comes to the fore, in a last ditch attempt.... |
HuckleB |
Jan-29-11 11:59 PM |
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Interesting how you always avoid that question. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:03 AM |
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I tend to avoid ridiculous questions, especially when they only serve incriminate the questioner. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 12:04 AM |
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Still no answer. n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:05 AM |
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Thank you for continuing to prove my point on this matter. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 12:07 AM |
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I don't dispute the efficacy of vaccines or their general safety. |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 12:54 AM |
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You repeat that mantra over and over again, while your repetitive posts indicate otherwise. |
HuckleB |
Jan-30-11 05:38 AM |
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So you can read minds? |
mhatrw |
Jan-30-11 09:55 AM |
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Nope. |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 12:49 AM |
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in your crystal ball n/t |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 03:02 AM |
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Is that your only answer? |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 09:16 AM |
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I repeat myself because you make the same accusations over and over. |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 10:37 AM |
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Uh huh. |
HuckleB |
Jan-31-11 12:50 AM |
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You wield those words like the Republicans use "pro-life" and "pro-abortion." |
trotsky |
Jan-30-11 12:32 PM |
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LOL. You want vaccines to be exactly as safe as they already are. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 03:11 AM |
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So where's your bar? |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:56 AM |
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I will consider flu vaccines safe enough when they are all single-dose |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 12:25 PM |
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So you think all other vaccines are safe, then? |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 12:46 PM |
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No, I think aluminum adjuvants need a lot of further study. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 12:55 PM |
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So in other words, it's a moving target. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 03:00 PM |
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You are 100% wrong. The target has always been the same. |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 06:13 PM |
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TONS of things you think are harmless are toxic at higher doses. |
trotsky |
Jan-31-11 07:05 PM |
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Of course they are. But most of these other things don't have the mercury level about a 8 oz can of |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 09:56 PM |
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Do you actually understand anything about comparative quantities |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 06:01 AM |
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Again, what is your point other than to simply assert that I am stupid and ignorant? |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:33 PM |
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I am not calling you stupid. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 01:57 PM |
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Why not try to convey some actual knowledge, then? |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 02:13 PM |
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Believe me, I've tried. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 02:35 PM |
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And yet another post devoid of anything but a long and drawn out personal attack on me. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 03:51 PM |
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I've already presented copious amounts of data to disprove every claim you've made. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-11 05:09 PM |
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I like how you say the target hasn't moved then list three new targets. |
laconicsax |
Jan-31-11 07:30 PM |
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Read the conversation. The target "moved" because I was asked |
mhatrw |
Jan-31-11 10:07 PM |
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You can't even stay consistent within a subthread! |
laconicsax |
Feb-01-11 12:19 AM |
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Wow! You caught me red-handed! Are you sure you're not related to Matlock? |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 12:26 AM |
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So |
Dorian Gray |
Feb-01-11 12:44 PM |
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If the benefit is small, then it is particularly critical for the risk to be even smaller. n/t |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 02:01 PM |
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How great is the risk? |
Dorian Gray |
Feb-01-11 04:21 PM |
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Good question. You tell me. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 04:29 PM |
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Considering the constantly moving goal posts offered, it likely makes no difference. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 02:25 PM |
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What thread? n/t |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 03:52 PM |
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. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 04:17 PM |
#131 |
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Thanks for the plug! |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 04:25 PM |
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You were clearly defending Wakefield. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 04:26 PM |
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Wakefield is completely compromised, IMHO. |
mhatrw |
Feb-01-11 04:31 PM |
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Nice partial backpedal. |
HuckleB |
Feb-01-11 04:43 PM |
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I am not a health care worker, nor to I play one on TV. |
Callisto32 |
Jan-28-11 12:27 PM |
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That's how it should be done. |
mhatrw |
Jan-28-11 11:57 PM |
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That's always been my concern |
upi402 |
Jan-31-11 06:30 PM |
#107 |
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