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24. And now, the next exercise:
Compare the amount of ethylmercury metabolized from the thimerosal in a seasonal flu vaccine with the amounts given to the rats in the study.

I'll await your detailed mathematical analysis.
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  -The CDC on single-dose vs. multi-dose vials of vaccines or any other medications mhatrw  Jan-26-11 05:38 PM   #0 
  - There is not even an economic argument for multi-dose vials over pre-filled, single use syringes  mhatrw   Jan-26-11 05:44 PM   #1 
  - The Australian Infection Control Association (AICA) comes out against multi-dose flu vaccinations.  mhatrw   Jan-26-11 05:49 PM   #2 
  - You know that there's no evidence that thimerosal in vaccines is harmful at all, right?  TheWraith   Jan-26-11 06:12 PM   #3 
  - And there is no proof that it is safe either.  pnwmom   Jan-26-11 06:58 PM   #4 
  - Because ethyl mercury isn't a heavy metal.  trotsky   Jan-26-11 07:47 PM   #6 
     - One drop of thimerosal is enough to kill the average healthy one-year-old almost immediately!  mhatrw   Jan-26-11 08:42 PM   #9 
     - One pound of table salt is enough to kill a healthy one year old immediately!  Warpy   Jan-26-11 09:21 PM   #10 
     - I am discussing injectable flu vaccines.  mhatrw   Jan-26-11 09:53 PM   #11 
        - You're injecting a big fat red herring and everybody else knows it.  Warpy   Jan-27-11 03:09 PM   #18 
           - LOL. How about explaining why should risk infection AND get a shot of ethyl-mercury when  mhatrw   Jan-27-11 03:34 PM   #19 
     - Such a woeful lack of understanding of even the most basic principles...  trotsky   Jan-27-11 06:14 AM   #16 
        - It's really amazing how you always resort to posts that have no substance  mhatrw   Jan-27-11 03:47 PM   #21 
           - ...  trotsky   Jan-27-11 05:50 PM   #26 
              - +1,000,000,000,000!!!  HuckleB   Jan-27-11 09:21 PM   #31 
     - The Thimerosal that doesn't get flushed out accumulates in the brain,  pnwmom   Jan-27-11 12:16 AM   #12 
        - Because there is no evidence that it causes any harm?  trotsky   Jan-27-11 06:15 AM   #17 
           - Because mercury is 50% of our dental fillings by weight?  mhatrw   Jan-27-11 03:53 PM   #23 
           - How much mercury is in a red herring? n/t  trotsky   Jan-27-11 05:50 PM   #27 
           - Because there is not enough evidence that it is safe.  pnwmom   Jan-27-11 08:55 PM   #30 
              - There's not enough evidence to call ANYTHING "truly" safe.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 06:15 AM   #37 
  - It's a highly toxic substance. Why unnecessarily inject it into yourself and you kids when  mhatrw   Jan-26-11 07:45 PM   #5 
     - Do you eat tuna?  trotsky   Jan-26-11 08:06 PM   #7 
        - Sure, I always feed my infants can after can of tuna.  mhatrw   Jan-26-11 08:41 PM   #8 
        - Thanks for the serious answer.  trotsky   Jan-27-11 06:10 AM   #15 
           - No wonder you win every argument.  mhatrw   Jan-27-11 03:51 PM   #22 
              - I win against you every time because the facts are on my side.  trotsky   Jan-27-11 05:45 PM   #25 
                 - Only in your imagination. n/t  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 05:28 PM   #57 
        - I never ate any tuna while I was pregnant,  pnwmom   Jan-27-11 12:21 AM   #13 
           - Excellent! Now, the harder question:  trotsky   Jan-27-11 06:10 AM   #14 
              - If you are asking about toxicity to mammals, the answer is not much.  mhatrw   Jan-27-11 03:41 PM   #20 
              - And now, the next exercise:  trotsky   Jan-27-11 05:44 PM   #24 
                 - Do you know what smug means?  pnwmom   Jan-27-11 08:52 PM   #29 
                 - Got red herring?  HuckleB   Jan-27-11 09:22 PM   #32 
                 - I am definitely seeing examples from another individual.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 06:05 AM   #34 
                 - And now, the next exercise. Explain why it is a bad idea for us to pay about $1 more per dose  mhatrw   Jan-27-11 10:55 PM   #33 
                    - That you couldn't address the point tells me all I need to know.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 06:05 AM   #35 
                       - Simple economics! Ethyl mercury in vaccines is good for shareholders!  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 10:05 AM   #40 
                       - Of course, once again, you can't address the facts but instead attack.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 10:08 AM   #41 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-28-11 10:18 AM   #44 
                          - You have shown your true colors.  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 11:27 AM   #47 
                             - My true colors are that I go by the facts.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 01:05 PM   #50 
                                - If you took off your dark glasses you'd be able to see better. n/t  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 12:46 AM   #77 
                                   - Not even sure what you were trying to imply with that one.  trotsky   Jan-30-11 12:33 PM   #85 
                       - Un-fucking-believable!  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 06:22 PM   #52 
                       - Selective, out-of-context quoting from an article about vaccines in developing countries.  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 05:26 PM   #55 
                          - Say what?  trotsky   Jan-30-11 12:37 PM   #87 
                             - And what the title of the article you cited again?  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 02:59 AM   #91 
                                - You keep thinking that matters.  trotsky   Jan-31-11 07:55 AM   #94 
                                   - Big Pharma treats the USA as a developing country.  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 12:17 PM   #97 
                                      - Actually I'm sure vaccine manufacturers would love to charge 15 cents more per shot.  trotsky   Jan-31-11 12:41 PM   #99 
                                         - LOL. It's not a conspiracy. Vaccine manufacturers have plants set up to produce millions of  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 01:00 PM   #102 
                                            - So which conspiracy is it?  trotsky   Jan-31-11 02:58 PM   #103 
                                               - What are they going to do with their multi-dose vaccine manufacturing plants  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 06:05 PM   #105 
                                                  - They really need separate manufacturing plants to fill different vial sizes?  laconicsax   Jan-31-11 06:56 PM   #108 
                                                  - Answer the question .  trotsky   Jan-31-11 07:06 PM   #110 
                                                  - Because they can make more doses quicker by selling multi-dose vials.  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 12:23 AM   #115 
                                                  - So you believe that vaccine manufacturers, when given the choice...  trotsky   Feb-01-11 06:00 AM   #117 
                                                  - OK. Fine. Let's posit that vaccine manufacturers would rather sell single-dose flu vaccines to  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 12:36 PM   #120 
                                                  - "Who is stopping them from doing so? Why?"  trotsky   Feb-01-11 01:12 PM   #122 
                                                  - And we have gone full circle. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 02:00 PM   #124 
              - I know more than you do, apparently.  pnwmom   Jan-27-11 08:50 PM   #28 
                 - I know enough to not base any medical decisions on one lone study.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 06:07 AM   #36 
                 - There are many other studies, which I've listed in the past,  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 05:27 PM   #56 
                    - Oh I've read them.  trotsky   Jan-30-11 12:35 PM   #86 
                 - "No one can say with absolute certainty that there's no risk."  mzmolly   Jan-28-11 06:44 PM   #53 
  - Dosage matters more than Identity  evirus   Jan-28-11 07:14 AM   #38 
  - Where are the animal toxicological studies showing which dosages are perfectly safe & which are not?  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 10:10 AM   #42 
  - im not a library nor am i a librarian  evirus   Jan-28-11 11:47 AM   #48 
     - Quote mine? The OP reproduced paragraphs 3-5 in full from a 7 paragraph website!  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 05:12 PM   #51 
  - Tell that to the parents of the Thalidomide babies.  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 05:28 PM   #58 
     - Mmmm, delicious red herring!  trotsky   Jan-29-11 08:40 PM   #61 
        - I'm not anti-vaccination. I'm pro-safe-vaccination.  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 08:58 PM   #62 
           - "Pro-safe vaccination" is a term used as an attempt to hide anti-vaccination motivations.  HuckleB   Jan-29-11 11:15 PM   #65 
              - Yeah, right.  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 11:55 PM   #66 
                 - You claim to have vaccinated your children, yet you bash vaccines at all costs.  HuckleB   Jan-29-11 11:56 PM   #67 
                    - I vaccinated my children, and there is no conflict at all  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 12:02 AM   #70 
                       - You claim one thing, while clearly advocating for another.  HuckleB   Jan-30-11 12:05 AM   #74 
                          - I argue for safe vaccines. Unlike you, I don't think that's a contradiction in terms. n/t  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 12:45 AM   #76 
                             - This is where you are off base.  HuckleB   Jan-30-11 05:41 AM   #80 
                                - I have never once pushed an anti-vaccine position.  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 10:40 AM   #83 
                                   - You push every spin that the anti-vaccine movement offers.  HuckleB   Jan-31-11 12:51 AM   #90 
  - LMAO - you know what?  trotsky   Jan-28-11 07:23 AM   #39 
  - Wow! You caught me! What you said makes perfect sense!  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 10:13 AM   #43 
     - Learn how to read websites, and then maybe people will take you seriously.  trotsky   Jan-28-11 10:28 AM   #45 
        - .  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 11:24 AM   #46 
        - Learn some common sense and people will take you seriously.  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 05:32 PM   #59 
           - Oh I've got the common sense.  trotsky   Jan-29-11 08:36 PM   #60 
              - I'm not as familiar with the "anti-vax movement" as you appear to be.  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 09:00 PM   #63 
                 - The only people who bring up the term "pro-vaccine safety" are those who know the anti-vaxers well.  HuckleB   Jan-29-11 11:08 PM   #64 
                 - Every parent I know is pro-vaccine safety and pro-medication safety.  pnwmom   Jan-29-11 11:58 PM   #68 
                    - And the great "BIG PHARMA" label comes to the fore, in a last ditch attempt....  HuckleB   Jan-29-11 11:59 PM   #69 
                       - Interesting how you always avoid that question. n/t  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 12:03 AM   #71 
                          - I tend to avoid ridiculous questions, especially when they only serve incriminate the questioner.  HuckleB   Jan-30-11 12:04 AM   #72 
                             - Still no answer. n/t  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 12:05 AM   #73 
                                - Thank you for continuing to prove my point on this matter.  HuckleB   Jan-30-11 12:07 AM   #75 
                                   - I don't dispute the efficacy of vaccines or their general safety.  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 12:54 AM   #78 
                                      - You repeat that mantra over and over again, while your repetitive posts indicate otherwise.  HuckleB   Jan-30-11 05:38 AM   #79 
                                         - So you can read minds?  mhatrw   Jan-30-11 09:55 AM   #81 
                                         - Nope.  HuckleB   Jan-31-11 12:49 AM   #88 
                                            - in your crystal ball n/t  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 03:02 AM   #92 
                                               - Is that your only answer?  HuckleB   Jan-31-11 09:16 AM   #96 
                                         - I repeat myself because you make the same accusations over and over.  pnwmom   Jan-30-11 10:37 AM   #82 
                                            - Uh huh.  HuckleB   Jan-31-11 12:50 AM   #89 
                 - You wield those words like the Republicans use "pro-life" and "pro-abortion."  trotsky   Jan-30-11 12:32 PM   #84 
                    - LOL. You want vaccines to be exactly as safe as they already are.  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 03:11 AM   #93 
                       - So where's your bar?  trotsky   Jan-31-11 07:56 AM   #95 
                          - I will consider flu vaccines safe enough when they are all single-dose  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 12:25 PM   #98 
                             - So you think all other vaccines are safe, then?  trotsky   Jan-31-11 12:46 PM   #100 
                                - No, I think aluminum adjuvants need a lot of further study.  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 12:55 PM   #101 
                                   - So in other words, it's a moving target.  trotsky   Jan-31-11 03:00 PM   #104 
                                      - You are 100% wrong. The target has always been the same.  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 06:13 PM   #106 
                                         - TONS of things you think are harmless are toxic at higher doses.  trotsky   Jan-31-11 07:05 PM   #109 
                                         - Of course they are. But most of these other things don't have the mercury level about a 8 oz can of  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 09:56 PM   #112 
                                            - Do you actually understand anything about comparative quantities  trotsky   Feb-01-11 06:01 AM   #118 
                                               - Again, what is your point other than to simply assert that I am stupid and ignorant?  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 12:33 PM   #119 
                                                  - I am not calling you stupid.  trotsky   Feb-01-11 01:57 PM   #123 
                                                  - Why not try to convey some actual knowledge, then?  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 02:13 PM   #126 
                                                  - Believe me, I've tried.  trotsky   Feb-01-11 02:35 PM   #128 
                                                  - And yet another post devoid of anything but a long and drawn out personal attack on me.  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 03:51 PM   #129 
                                                  - I've already presented copious amounts of data to disprove every claim you've made.  trotsky   Feb-01-11 05:09 PM   #138 
                                         - I like how you say the target hasn't moved then list three new targets.  laconicsax   Jan-31-11 07:30 PM   #111 
                                         - Read the conversation. The target "moved" because I was asked  mhatrw   Jan-31-11 10:07 PM   #113 
                                            - You can't even stay consistent within a subthread!  laconicsax   Feb-01-11 12:19 AM   #114 
                                               - Wow! You caught me red-handed! Are you sure you're not related to Matlock?  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 12:26 AM   #116 
                                         - So  Dorian Gray   Feb-01-11 12:44 PM   #121 
                                            - If the benefit is small, then it is particularly critical for the risk to be even smaller. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 02:01 PM   #125 
                                            - How great is the risk?  Dorian Gray   Feb-01-11 04:21 PM   #132 
                                               - Good question. You tell me.  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 04:29 PM   #135 
                                            - Considering the constantly moving goal posts offered, it likely makes no difference.  HuckleB   Feb-01-11 02:25 PM   #127 
                                               - What thread? n/t  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 03:52 PM   #130 
                                                  - .  HuckleB   Feb-01-11 04:17 PM   #131 
                                                     - Thanks for the plug!  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 04:25 PM   #133 
                                                     - You were clearly defending Wakefield.  HuckleB   Feb-01-11 04:26 PM   #134 
                                                     - Wakefield is completely compromised, IMHO.  mhatrw   Feb-01-11 04:31 PM   #136 
                                                     - Nice partial backpedal.  HuckleB   Feb-01-11 04:43 PM   #137 
  - I am not a health care worker, nor to I play one on TV.  Callisto32   Jan-28-11 12:27 PM   #49 
     - That's how it should be done.  mhatrw   Jan-28-11 11:57 PM   #54 
        - That's always been my concern  upi402   Jan-31-11 06:30 PM   #107 

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