| 225. I posted several studies. What specific words do you need to see? |
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Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 10:47 PM by mzmolly
I don't know of any study that will spell out the words you and your friends appear to require, verbatim. Also, you're not following the discussion closely enough to claim expertise on what I've discussed with anyone. I've noted that the possible MMR pathway to autism differs from the potential mercury pathway. See the study I noted on this below, for clarification. (Here's a short recap of some of the study conclusions from studies I've posted in response to inquiries from hippy.) Potential viral pathogenic mechanism for new variant inflammatory bowel disease
CONCLUSIONS: The data confirm an association between the presence of measles virus and gut pathology in children with developmental disorder.
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From EHP
Mercury (Hg) is a potent neurodevelopmental toxicant commonly encountered as dietary methylmercury, which adversely affects enzymes, cellular membrane function, and neurotransmitter levels (17,18). Mercury causes oxidative stress, lipid peroxidation, and mitochondrial dysfunction and disrupts synaptic transmission, microtubule formation, amino acid transport, and cellular migration in the developing brain (19).
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Mercury induces inflammatory mediator release from human mast cells
"As a result, the findings of the present study provide a biological mechanism for how low levels of mercury may contribute to ASD pathogenesis."
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Autism Risk Linked To Distance From Power Plants, Other Mercury-Releasing Sources
"We suspect low-dose exposures to various environmental toxicants, including mercury, that occur during critical windows of neural development among genetically susceptible children may increase the risk for developmental disorders such as autism."
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Immunological findings in autism
"Two main immune dysfunctions in autism are immune regulation involving pro-inflammatory cytokines and autoimmunity. Mercury and an infectious agent like the measles virus are currently two main candidate environmental triggers for immune dysfunction in autism."
Comparison of blood and brain mercury levels in infant monkeys exposed to methylmercury or vaccines containing thimerosal
"In primates, you actually get more mercury in the brain after exposure to ethyl mercury than with methyl mercury -- it has an easier time crossing the blood-brain barrier." ~ Thomas Burbacher The studies I've noted "collectively" help support my conclusion that autism has developed as a result of vaccination. Conclusions like "low levels of mercury may contribute to ASD (autism) pathogenesis" clearly denote that mercury can contribute to autism. This becomes more compelling when taken into the context of other study conclusions such as - "In primates, you actually get more mercury in the brain after exposure to ethyl mercury than with methyl mercury -- it has an easier time crossing the blood-brain barrier." I personally don't know how someone can deny the fact that there are studies that support a possible link? You can say you don't find the studies compelling. Or that they don't prove a connection. That's fine. I'll admit, I believe that autism as a result of vaccination, happens in a small number of children. The vaccine court agreed with the overall opinion on this, when they awarded the Poling family a judgment based upon the evidence in her case. Question. Do you think that Hannah Poling was not injured as a result of vaccination? If so, it seems we'll have to agree to disagree? Are you big enough to do that? To allow someone to examine the evidence and disagree? Edited for grammar.
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| -Anti-safety advocates, you've been duped! Wakefield has had NO impact on measles in the US. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 04:36 PM |
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Is leaving out pertinent information fun? |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 04:42 PM |
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Is this a game of 20 questions? Can anyone play? n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 04:47 PM |
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If you want. |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 05:13 PM |
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You mean when the CDC started culling data for those up to 35 months? |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:22 PM |
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Swing and a miss! |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 07:01 PM |
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I'd prefer you just enlighten us all. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:03 PM |
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The CDC isn't ignoring anything. You are. |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 07:10 PM |
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I'm not ignoring anything. I posted a link to the data. Feel free to subtract the 27,786 |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:17 PM |
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You're so close! Keep trying. |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 07:21 PM |
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Sorry, you blew the first cat and mouse dance. I'm not |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:24 PM |
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If you've been researching vaccines for years and you know it all then you admit to being dishonest. |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 09:06 PM |
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I'm pointing out that Wakefield had no impact on vaccination coverage |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 09:14 PM |
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Read that bit you put in bold in your OP. |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 09:23 PM |
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You mean the part that demonstrates thousands of parents were told that their children |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 09:36 PM |
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And right on cue, the goalposts start shifting. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 10:41 PM |
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You should know. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 11:42 PM |
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You go head and tell yourself that. |
laconicsax |
Jan-08-11 01:21 AM |
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My argument again, is that Andrew Wakefield had no impact on disease and/or vaccination coverage |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 11:18 AM |
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Jan-08-11 12:32 PM |
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sorry, you got pwned |
Teaser |
Jan-11-11 07:29 PM |
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Gee. Such convincing |
mzmolly |
Jan-11-11 07:47 PM |
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So? There was a measles outbreak, which made them realize |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 07:21 PM |
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It doesn't, |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:26 PM |
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You mean the CDC data is incorrect? |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:05 PM |
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That's not at all what I mean. |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 07:00 PM |
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Well then, feel free to educate me and |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:02 PM |
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The problem isn't the CDC, it's you ignoring important information. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 07:19 PM |
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My post is relevant to the fact that Andrew Wakefield had no impact |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:27 PM |
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You've been educated over and over again. |
HuckleB |
Jan-08-11 06:01 PM |
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I'm looking at the definitve data before drawing conclusions. |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 06:13 PM |
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I regret that I don't have hours to debate, so this will have to do. |
hlthe2b |
Jan-07-11 04:46 PM |
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Your answer doesn't address the statistics the OP provided. |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 04:51 PM |
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Exactly. And the rate of disease declined greatly from the decade |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:09 PM |
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There's a reason for that |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 07:03 PM |
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1998 was 13 years ago. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:08 PM |
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It's not like you brought up 1988-1998 in you OP. |
laconicsax |
Jan-07-11 07:19 PM |
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This is where context |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:28 PM |
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I've never gotten over seeing a child suffer from stage 4 cancer. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:58 PM |
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Exactly. To save a little money, they use multi-use vials |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 07:16 PM |
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I've no idea. All I want is a choice. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:21 PM |
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Me, too. As I did when I wanted the killed-virus Polio vaccine, |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 07:24 PM |
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I'll never forget when one parent who told their child's story of vaccine injury said "I've had |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:41 PM |
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that's at BEST, suggestive... not conclusive of your claim |
jallo |
Jan-07-11 05:01 PM |
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Huh? |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:07 PM |
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To suggest those in public health & medicine are ANTI-SAFETY |
hlthe2b |
Jan-07-11 05:09 PM |
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You mean like suggesting those who want formaldehyde removed from |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:06 PM |
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You most certainly have... I hope you let your physician/nurse/pharmacist |
hlthe2b |
Jan-07-11 07:59 PM |
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No, SHAME ON YOU. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 08:12 PM |
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SHAME ON YOU For attacking those trying to help you... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-07-11 08:26 PM |
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Tell me how I've derided anyone in medicine who isn't lying about the impact |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 08:32 PM |
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The OP didn't accuse any of the medical professionals she uses |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 11:49 PM |
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Jan-07-11 06:36 PM |
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I'm in the UK; care to post those vaccination numbers? |
Spider Jerusalem |
Jan-07-11 05:24 PM |
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OMG,you mean there are places other than America? Who knew? |
virgogal |
Jan-07-11 05:45 PM |
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Ah the UK. It's difficult to track in the UK given they do not account for the |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:04 PM |
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Most people wouldn't be paying out of pocket though. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Jan-07-11 06:29 PM |
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There are clinics in the UK dedicated to providing a single measles jab. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:36 PM |
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It was not MANY providers... |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-10-11 08:33 AM |
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I agree with you. I never understood why three vaccines would |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 12:41 PM |
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The preservative was not at issue because the MMR never contained thiomersal. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Jan-11-11 01:05 PM |
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I was aware of this, which is why I said as much in the reponse you replied to. |
mzmolly |
Jan-11-11 07:46 PM |
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That isn't the point, S.J. Many people here have argued that U.S. vaccination |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 06:38 PM |
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Just found this. There was a single measles related death (in 2006) in 14 years in the UK. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:48 PM |
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You're not seeing it because you don't want to see it. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Jan-07-11 06:53 PM |
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A ten percent decline in the three way MMR. Again we don't know what the single jab |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 07:01 PM |
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Jan-08-11 09:58 AM |
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Ad hominem attacks again? What I "see" is factual data from the CDC, which I noted above. |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 11:35 AM |
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What you see is, as always, only what you want to see. |
HuckleB |
Jan-08-11 05:47 PM |
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I see the data provided by the CDC. You're ingoring it. |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 05:57 PM |
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No, I am not ignoring it. |
HuckleB |
Jan-08-11 06:00 PM |
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My routine involves telling the truth and not allowing |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 06:07 PM |
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I'm curious |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Jan-07-11 06:09 PM |
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I'm not defending Wakefield. I'm correcting the misinformed panic. |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:11 PM |
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You're making excuses for Wakefield |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Jan-08-11 05:44 PM |
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Excuses? I don't have to make excuses for |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 06:11 PM |
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Do you think there's a valid link between autism and vaccines? |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Jan-08-11 06:44 PM |
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In a small number of children, |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 11:00 PM |
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That's all I needed to know |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Jan-09-11 09:22 AM |
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Based on what kind of factual evidence? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-12-11 11:54 AM |
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Google |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 02:53 PM |
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Google is not evidence. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 03:15 PM |
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I should have further clarified. The peer reviewed studies on google scholar are a good place |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 03:26 PM |
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you obviously know how to post a link, how about a link to those studies. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-12-11 04:41 PM |
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You can't find "mercury and brain damage?" Check your spelling. |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 05:27 PM |
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I am not finding any studies that support your assertions. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 09:36 AM |
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Perhaps that's because you don't understand |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:02 AM |
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Those cut-and-paste skills certainly are impressive. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:06 AM |
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Go back and read what I said. I'm not here to prove that X causes Y. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:11 AM |
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You implicitly stated, in post #76, that there is a direct link "in a small number of children" |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:12 AM |
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Nice spin. What I said was ... |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:20 AM |
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You are right, you said vaccinations and I stated thermerisol. Allow me to re-ask. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:39 AM |
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I did provide you with a link that supports my opinion. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:49 AM |
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No you did not. Nothing in that link supoorts a vaccine/autism connection. Nothing. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:52 AM |
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I've replied below. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:00 PM |
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You'll get used to it. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 05:53 PM |
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I've sourced studies several times. |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 07:10 PM |
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Thank you for the link, but that is an inconclusive study. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 09:33 AM |
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What do you mean inconclusive? |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 10:25 AM |
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The very last line of the abstract... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 10:40 AM |
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You're unfamiliar with the subject matter, and what the results in your quote imply. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 10:54 AM |
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Are you actually telling me that because I don't see it the same way you do, that I don't understand |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:03 AM |
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No. I'm telling you that because you don't understand the findings, |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:06 AM |
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Yes, I most certain CAN say that is does not support your opinion. You stated in post #76 that... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:14 AM |
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No I didn't. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:27 AM |
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Again, you seem to me ignoring or misunderstanding what is being asked here. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:35 AM |
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Did you read post 75? |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:41 AM |
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I changed the word thermerisol to vaccines. Now back to the question. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:43 AM |
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Change the words autism and vaccines to mercury and brain damage |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:50 AM |
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but murcury and brain damage was NOT what you asserted, vaccines and autism was. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:53 AM |
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cleanhippie, your patience is to be applauded. |
HuckleB |
Jan-13-11 11:54 AM |
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Thanks, just trying to get the facts. An assertion was made and I want to see the evidence for it. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 11:56 AM |
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Oh, I know. |
HuckleB |
Jan-13-11 11:58 AM |
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Why would more mercruy in the brain be less of a concern? |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:07 PM |
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I never stated that it was, ever. I am still waiting on the evidence to support your assertion. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 12:09 PM |
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I said that I believe there is a valid link. So did the courts when they awarded |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:28 PM |
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So, are you saying that you believe there is a link but have no actual data or evidence? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 12:30 PM |
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No, I'm saying that you're ignoring evidence. Can mercury cause brain damage |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:31 PM |
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What does that have to do with your orginal assertion that vaccines and autism are linked? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 12:35 PM |
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Answer the question. A yes or no will do. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:40 PM |
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Response is here... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 01:05 PM |
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That's not a response. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 01:14 PM |
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Is there a problem with moving this to the new sub-thread? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 01:30 PM |
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Resonse is here.... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 01:05 PM |
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Yes or no. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 01:15 PM |
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Is there a problem with continuing this on a new sub-thread? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 01:29 PM |
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Why would *no* mercury in the brain from the MMR be a concern? |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-11 12:20 PM |
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I'm not concerned with mercury as it relates to MMR. I've confirmed that. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:25 PM |
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LOL |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:05 PM |
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There are no biological tests involved in diagnosing autism. I'll let you stew on that a bit. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:59 AM |
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I never stated that it would be, you did. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 12:10 PM |
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In any case. mercury has never been present in the MMR, at least in the UK |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-11 12:16 PM |
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Right. It was brought up in the broader context of vaccination |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:26 PM |
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YOU brought it up and evidence that it supported your assertion of a vaccine/autism link. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 12:33 PM |
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Do you believe that mercury causes brain damage or not? |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:38 PM |
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I have responded here... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 01:04 PM |
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My first link on vaccine coverage levels should be: |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:16 PM |
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Wow. So we have a 50% HIGHER mmr vaccination rate now than in 1985. |
pnwmom |
Jan-07-11 06:42 PM |
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Yep. We are very good about complying with vaccination recommendations for |
mzmolly |
Jan-07-11 06:44 PM |
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If the argument is that Wakefield's being turned out as a fraud and huckster is irrelevant... |
varkam |
Jan-08-11 01:52 AM |
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That's not my argument. My argument is that Wakefield |
mzmolly |
Jan-08-11 11:26 AM |
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You really have a way with spinning things. |
laconicsax |
Jan-09-11 12:44 AM |
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This is the meme |
mzmolly |
Jan-09-11 01:12 AM |
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Now THAT'S some egocentrism! |
laconicsax |
Jan-09-11 01:44 AM |
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You've proven my point. |
mzmolly |
Jan-09-11 09:52 AM |
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It's telling that you don't care whether any studies exist which show a link between autism and MMR |
laconicsax |
Jan-09-11 09:30 PM |
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I didn't say I don't care if the studies are true. |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 12:45 PM |
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I hope you didn't give yourself whiplash from spinning so fast. |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 03:14 PM |
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It is not I who suffers from whiplash. |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 03:41 PM |
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I accept your apology. |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 09:08 PM |
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"I look forward to reading your nonsensical reply." |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 09:11 PM |
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LAST WORD!!! LAST WORD!!! |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 09:43 PM |
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I just have to do it! |
HuckleB |
Jan-10-11 10:56 PM |
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Actually two deaths; but the important issue is that there was a lot of extra illness |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-11-11 02:07 PM |
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I'm don't take issue |
mzmolly |
Jan-11-11 07:50 PM |
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There was another death in 2008. |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-11 05:54 AM |
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Bias may effect reporting. My child had a viral rash |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 10:40 AM |
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Following in Wakefield's footsteps in countering bias I see. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 11:27 AM |
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So says Brian Deer. Eight parents involved in the original study |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 11:31 AM |
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It's been shown beyond any doubt that Wakefield falsified his data. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 03:08 PM |
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Feel free to |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 03:28 PM |
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YES, it's a shame that he was! |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-11 04:10 PM |
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It is a shame. Of course, his co-authors have since backed out and the journal retracted the paper. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 04:50 PM |
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We've been over his study results, and the fact that his study is not |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 05:29 PM |
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You've yet to cite those other studies. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 05:55 PM |
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The thread is about Wakefield's impact on vaccination which is nill. |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 07:22 PM |
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Hmm...a study saying that the half-life of thimerosal is significantly shorter than methylmercury. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 08:36 PM |
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You must have overlooked the conclusion? |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 08:41 PM |
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My mistake. I had several PubMed tabs open was reading off of the wrong one. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 10:17 PM |
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I've never supported Wakefield's single jab notion, but I'm glad you admit that he never suggested |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 11:49 PM |
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You brought up autism, you brought up the study, you brought up Wakefield's hypothesis. |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 12:05 AM |
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Again. The record of conversation speaks for itself. I brought up Wakefield |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 12:10 AM |
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LAST WORD! LAST WORD!! LAST WORD!!! |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 12:45 AM |
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Does the irony of your childish statement |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 10:16 AM |
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LAST WORD! I HAVE THE LAST WORD! ME! ME! ME! |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 04:04 PM |
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didn't work for me either. eom |
uppityperson |
Jan-13-11 07:46 PM |
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self-delete (wrong place) |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-11 03:39 AM |
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If measles wasn't suggested by the doctor... |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-11 04:08 PM |
#122 |
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She said there are many virus's that can cause a rash. |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 05:30 PM |
#128 |
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Then it's pretty clear that your child didn't have measles |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-11 06:51 PM |
#131 |
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No it's not clear. |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 07:03 PM |
#132 |
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There are four possibilities: |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 08:41 PM |
#137 |
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Are you a Doctor? |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-11 08:44 PM |
#138 |
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No, and no. |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 09:34 PM |
#139 |
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He certainly had such an impact in the UK. |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-09-11 10:03 AM |
#82 |
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On measles death in the UK in fourteen years occurred in 2006. |
mzmolly |
Jan-09-11 10:17 AM |
#83 |
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Lots of kids got sick unnecessarily |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-10-11 08:27 AM |
#85 |
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If this is true it's not because anyone accepted the advice of Dr. Wakefield |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 12:35 PM |
#87 |
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And the goalposts shift again! |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 03:31 PM |
#91 |
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My goalposts haven't shifted once. |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 03:46 PM |
#93 |
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Whatever helps you sleep at night. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 05:03 PM |
#94 |
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I sleep just fine, |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 06:45 PM |
#95 |
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LOL! |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 07:15 PM |
#96 |
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Thanks! I was hoping for your familiar |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 07:30 PM |
#97 |
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I think you have me confused with someone else. |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 07:37 PM |
#98 |
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I wasn't sure that Huck was he, |
mzmolly |
Jan-10-11 08:19 PM |
#99 |
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No problem. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jan-10-11 09:10 PM |
#101 |
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. |
HuckleB |
Jan-10-11 10:55 PM |
#104 |
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Continuation of the sub-thread above |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 01:03 PM |
#189 |
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Do you think that mercury causes brain damage or not? YES or NO. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 01:17 PM |
#195 |
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I don't know the answer to that question. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 01:35 PM |
#198 |
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You don't know? Why do you feel qualified to understand any study, including the two I posted |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 02:00 PM |
#199 |
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So am I to understand that you cannot or will not provide me a link to a vaccine/autism study? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 02:15 PM |
#200 |
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Why do you feel qualified to understand any study, including the two valid studies I posted above |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 02:18 PM |
#201 |
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I will take your attempts at ad homenim as a NO, you will not. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 02:23 PM |
#202 |
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I've posted links to two valid studies that you don't understand, for obvious reasons. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 02:44 PM |
#203 |
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Neither one of those studies show a link between vaccines and autism. Not at all. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 02:49 PM |
#204 |
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LOL #6. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 03:03 PM |
#205 |
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Its dishonest to intentionally misrepresent my position like you have done. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 03:14 PM |
#206 |
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I've provided 6 (now 7) links to research which informs my opinion. Yet you continue to deny this. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 03:42 PM |
#207 |
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Ahh, this dishonesty in this one is strong! |
cleanhippie |
Jan-13-11 05:44 PM |
#214 |
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You missed a bit. |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 06:31 PM |
#215 |
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I'm sorry you don't care for how the study was conducted by the PH.D's involved in |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 07:20 PM |
#216 |
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Is it tomorrow already? |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 08:53 PM |
#219 |
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No. "LAST WORD LAST WORD." |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 09:17 PM |
#222 |
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FYI: Holding you to your original claim isn't moving the goalposts. |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 09:36 PM |
#223 |
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I posted several studies. What specific words do you need to see? |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 10:13 PM |
#225 |
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None of those studies allege a connection between vaccination and autism. |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 10:46 PM |
#227 |
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Yes, they do "allege." Unless you need to see the words |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:04 PM |
#230 |
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dup delete |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:08 PM |
#232 |
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Offering you the actual LAST WORD here. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:11 PM |
#235 |
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Where is the dishonesty? You said studies didn't exist. Now you say you don't like the study results |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 07:47 PM |
#218 |
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Once again this isn't about vaccines |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-11 04:24 PM |
#210 |
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What is "this?" |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 04:40 PM |
#211 |
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Neither of these studies shows that vaccines cause autism |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-11 04:20 PM |
#209 |
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You're not reading very carefully. I was asked my opinion on |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 04:56 PM |
#212 |
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I'm taking a break from this thread. I'll check back tomorrow. |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 05:07 PM |
#213 |
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You have a very flexible definition of "tomorrow" |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 08:59 PM |
#220 |
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Name removed |
Jan-13-11 09:01 PM |
#221 |
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You do realize that replies to you don't go anywhere if you don't respond immediately, right? |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 09:41 PM |
#224 |
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I do. And I also realize I'm having company |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 10:15 PM |
#226 |
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No one is forcing you to participate in an Internet discussion against your will. |
laconicsax |
Jan-13-11 10:55 PM |
#228 |
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I don't recall saying I was |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:10 PM |
#233 |
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What is an anti-safety advocate? |
HuckleB |
Jan-13-11 11:01 PM |
#229 |
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Someone who wants to limit choice by denying things like |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:07 PM |
#231 |
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In other words, "anti-safety" = anyone who chooses to pay attention to actual science. |
HuckleB |
Jan-13-11 11:11 PM |
#234 |
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The science on formaldehyde and mercury? |
mzmolly |
Jan-13-11 11:15 PM |
#236 |
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You've "heard." |
HuckleB |
Jan-13-11 11:17 PM |
#237 |
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locking |
TrogL |
Jan-14-11 12:16 AM |
#238 |