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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:33 PM
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58. You just negated the argument for vaccinating to protect
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 01:52 PM by mzmolly
others via herd immunity. ;)

In all seriousness, given your concerns, I hope you've had the adult pertussis booster and have requested that others do the same? I'm not talking about the tetanus jab. I'm talking about the Tdap booster. The childhood vaccine wears off over time, and pertussis is most serious in infants. We've had outbreaks due to a false sense of security, bias in diagnosis, and targeting only school children in public health policy.

Pertussis, in contrast to tetanus, is common in the United States with 13,278 cases reported in 2008 (5). This count likely is an underestimate; pertussis can have nonspecific symptoms, especially among adults, and often goes undiagnosed (1,6). This analysis confirms that the majority of U.S. adults probably were not protected against pertussis at the time of the 2008 NHIS survey; self-reported Tdap vaccination coverage was 5.9%

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201010/2173442361.html#...

I hope every pediatrician/OB who supports vaccination is recommending that adults and older children who are going to be around infants, get vaccinated for pertussis? Did your OB recommend a TDAP booster? http://www.afkpeds.org/tdap-for-new-parents_5112_ct.asp...
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  -In your opinion, generally speaking, are vaccines safe for children? ZombieHorde  Dec-18-10 12:43 AM   #0 
  - Other  KT2000   Dec-18-10 01:07 AM   #1 
  - The evidence base does not support your claim.  HuckleB   Dec-18-10 09:51 AM   #13 
     - then don't do that yourself  KT2000   Dec-18-10 12:12 PM   #16 
        - Don't do what?  HuckleB   Dec-18-10 04:26 PM   #20 
  - Generally speaking, it is safe for children to fly in a commercial airliner.  Speck Tater   Dec-18-10 01:10 AM   #2 
  - Your reversed poll question suggestion is a good one. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-18-10 01:23 AM   #3 
  - Even using those as comparisons...  trotsky   Dec-18-10 09:13 AM   #8 
  - The mother could get the vaccines and nurse the infant  FreakinDJ   Dec-18-10 05:23 AM   #4 
  - No.  momto3   Dec-18-10 07:03 AM   #5 
  - that doesn't provide long lasting immunity  evirus   Dec-19-10 12:02 PM   #29 
  - Yes - in general.  momto3   Dec-18-10 07:06 AM   #6 
  - That's mainly an issue with the flu vaccine.  HuckleB   Dec-18-10 11:46 AM   #15 
  - Safer than the disease  stray cat   Dec-18-10 07:56 AM   #7 
  - I am always encouraged by these types of polls.  trotsky   Dec-18-10 09:14 AM   #9 
  - I'm in agreement  EvolveOrConvolve   Dec-18-10 09:19 AM   #10 
  - True.  HuckleB   Dec-18-10 09:23 AM   #11 
  - Again, vaccination rates are not dropping.  mzmolly   Dec-18-10 11:06 PM   #24 
     - Perhaps a lesson in basic English is in order.  HuckleB   Dec-19-10 08:17 AM   #28 
        - Perhaps a lesson in common sense is in order?  mzmolly   Dec-19-10 01:15 PM   #31 
           - In other words, you spent a lot of time on that, and you still couldn't support your claim.  HuckleB   Dec-19-10 09:35 PM   #35 
              - I fully supported my claim with solid data from the CDC.  mzmolly   Dec-19-10 10:24 PM   #37 
                 - So as long as you stick to one source of information, you think you're covered.  HuckleB   Dec-19-10 10:41 PM   #40 
                    - We're not discussing Africa, we're discussing the US.  mzmolly   Dec-19-10 11:39 PM   #41 
                       - And another red herring.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 09:29 AM   #45 
                          - You're wrong and I've provided sufficient evidence to this  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 01:30 PM   #57 
                             - And the usual BS.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 02:43 PM   #62 
                                - No, this is the world YOU promote via your advocacy against  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 03:26 PM   #65 
                                   - And Hannah Poling makes an appearance!  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 03:35 PM   #66 
                                      - As did Germany when your assertions about US vaccination rates were  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 03:40 PM   #67 
                                         - And now you're being dishonest again.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 03:42 PM   #68 
                                            - Bologna. YOU posted a questionable article about Germany when your assertions about a supposed  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 03:58 PM   #70 
                                               - As usual, you simply repeat your dishonesty.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 04:01 PM   #72 
                                                  - It's not dishonest to call you on your fear based, unsubstantiated antagonism.  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 04:06 PM   #74 
                                                  - It is dishonest to say I did something I didn't, while saying I didn't do something I had done.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 04:08 PM   #75 
                                                  - I've been completely  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 04:24 PM   #76 
                                                  - And you offer even more dishonesty.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 09:47 PM   #80 
  - Or perhaps the people you knee-jerk characterize as anti-vax are not  mhatrw   Dec-18-10 01:32 PM   #17 
     - Codewords for anti-vax nonsense.  trotsky   Dec-18-10 02:55 PM   #18 
     - Think of what you are saying.  mhatrw   Dec-18-10 07:17 PM   #22 
        - No, think of what YOU are saying.  trotsky   Dec-19-10 06:10 AM   #27 
           - So science and evidence back you that for EVERY vaccine and  mhatrw   Dec-20-10 02:24 AM   #44 
              - There you go with your strawmen again.  trotsky   Dec-20-10 10:14 AM   #49 
                 - So is it OK to question a couple specific vaccines for a couple specific groups or not?....nt  mhatrw   Dec-20-10 10:35 AM   #50 
                    - If you have any real facts or real concerns, sure.  trotsky   Dec-20-10 10:36 AM   #51 
                       - I have real concerns that Gardasil's benefits are very limited for the US population  mhatrw   Dec-20-10 10:56 AM   #53 
                          - Pap smears detect cancer. Gardasil can prevent it.  trotsky   Dec-20-10 11:04 AM   #54 
                             - LOL. So capitalism is now a conspiracy theory!  mhatrw   Dec-20-10 09:11 PM   #79 
                                - But that's not what you are saying.  trotsky   Dec-21-10 06:41 AM   #83 
     - Agreed.  mzmolly   Dec-18-10 11:11 PM   #25 
  - J.B. Handley and the anti-vaccine movement: Gloating over the decline in confidence in vaccines  HuckleB   Dec-18-10 09:29 AM   #12 
  - Evolutions way of weeding the gullibility gene out of the population. nt  Speck Tater   Dec-18-10 10:36 AM   #14 
  - Yeah but it'll also take out a bunch of innocent bystanders.  trotsky   Dec-18-10 03:32 PM   #19 
     - True enough. Unfortunately, mother nature has no morals and is an equal opportunity killer. nt  Speck Tater   Dec-18-10 06:59 PM   #21 
  - I'll take his quote over Offit's "Formaldehyde does not seem to be a cause of cancer in humans"  mzmolly   Dec-18-10 11:19 PM   #26 
     - And your usual red herring hits the board.  HuckleB   Dec-19-10 09:35 PM   #34 
        - As usual your "red herring" claim along with the little "rofl" man  mzmolly   Dec-19-10 10:28 PM   #38 
           - Sorry to tell the truth.  HuckleB   Dec-19-10 10:39 PM   #39 
              - You must feel sorry when you tell the truth, given you spend so little  mzmolly   Dec-19-10 11:40 PM   #42 
                 - Now that is one dishonest post.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 09:29 AM   #46 
                    - Here, have one of these.  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 01:43 PM   #61 
                       - Oh, I did.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 02:44 PM   #63 
  - IMHO, generally speaking, vaccines are safe for most children.  mzmolly   Dec-18-10 11:04 PM   #23 
  - thats not actually useful  evirus   Dec-19-10 12:12 PM   #30 
     - I didn't menion tailoring the schedule, specifically. I said that I have the ability  mzmolly   Dec-19-10 01:18 PM   #32 
        - You're not protected  Dorian Gray   Dec-19-10 09:29 PM   #33 
           - Not protected against what?  mzmolly   Dec-19-10 10:21 PM   #36 
           - Herd immunity is worthless  Dorian Gray   Dec-20-10 10:08 AM   #47 
              - You just negated the argument for vaccinating to protect  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 01:33 PM   #58 
           - So now unvaccinated = sick?  mhatrw   Dec-20-10 02:16 AM   #43 
              - Of course not...  Dorian Gray   Dec-20-10 10:11 AM   #48 
                 - The flu exists even among the vaccinated.  mhatrw   Dec-20-10 10:47 AM   #52 
                 - Obviously  Dorian Gray   Dec-20-10 01:07 PM   #55 
                    - It is true that the vaccine is not perfect in efficacy.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 01:20 PM   #56 
                    - I think you should make certain your niece/nehphew are not ill  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 01:42 PM   #60 
                 - Vaccination often provides a false sense of security IMO.  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 01:39 PM   #59 
  - Vaccine refuseniks are free-riders.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 02:47 PM   #64 
  - Why would a "free rider" want to discourage  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 04:33 PM   #78 
     - In other words, games ARE all you can offer.  HuckleB   Dec-21-10 12:29 AM   #82 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-21-10 08:34 PM   #85 
           - Awesome! The ad hominem BS kicks in!!!!  HuckleB   Dec-21-10 08:58 PM   #87 
  - Myths Fuel Dangerous Decisions to Not Vaccinate Children  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 03:55 PM   #69 
  - Another unsubstiantiated, questionable article, using partial data and a vaccine patent holder as a  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 04:01 PM   #71 
     - And another baseless ad hominem attack by a known, dishonest anti-vax proponent.  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 04:02 PM   #73 
        - The article sources the same data that shows an INCREASE  mzmolly   Dec-20-10 04:26 PM   #77 
           - Ah, medicaid patients!!!!  HuckleB   Dec-20-10 09:48 PM   #81 
              - Rates are not down, overall. The CDC isn't wrong, you are. Here's MORE data proving you're FOS.  mzmolly   Dec-21-10 08:33 PM   #84 
                 - "Here's more data!!!!!!!" you say...  HuckleB   Dec-21-10 08:57 PM   #86 
                    - The CBS article refers to the CDC data I provided above, and plucked out a normal  mzmolly   Dec-21-10 11:05 PM   #88 
                       - Yes, you did pluck out selective nonsense to defend your preconceived notions.  HuckleB   Dec-21-10 11:16 PM   #89 
                          - Overall vaccination rates are NOT down, and you are being willfully  mzmolly   Dec-21-10 11:43 PM   #90 
                             - I love it when you keep repeating the same BS.  HuckleB   Dec-21-10 11:47 PM   #91 
                                - I'm merely stating what the CDC data shows. Given you didn't understand previously, I've reiterated.  mzmolly   Dec-22-10 12:08 AM   #92 
                                   - As always, you continue with selected quotes and data.  HuckleB   Dec-22-10 08:52 AM   #94 
                                      - The quote proves you wrong. The data proves you wrong.  mzmolly   Dec-22-10 06:39 PM   #96 
                                         - Not in the real world.  HuckleB   Dec-23-10 03:54 AM   #98 
  - Much safer than not having them, anyway!  LeftishBrit   Dec-22-10 12:29 AM   #93 
     - That is putting it gently. -eom-  HuckleB   Dec-22-10 08:57 AM   #95 
     - That depends upon the specific vaccine and the specific  mzmolly   Dec-22-10 06:42 PM   #97 
        - The question said 'generally speaking'...  LeftishBrit   Dec-23-10 08:09 AM   #99 
 

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