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119. This is ground breaking?
Edited on Wed May-26-10 11:23 AM by Javaman
Hell, one of my earliest memories was going to the doc with my mom to get all my boosters. I was 3 or 4 and remember it well. I was pissed. I got 4 shots and the horrid tasting polio crap. I didn't even get a lollipop for all that pain and misery.

At least my mom took me for ice cream afterward. Instead of licking it, I tried putting it on my painful and quickly swelling arm. LOL
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  -New study: many vaccines at once OK for kids HuckleB  May-24-10 07:12 PM   #0 
  - The reasoning of the fearmongers never made sense anyway.  trotsky   May-24-10 07:22 PM   #1 
  - Tell that to the parents whose children are killed from these vaccines.  truedelphi   May-24-10 07:47 PM   #3 
  - Your proof the baby died from a vaccine IS?????  Confusious   May-24-10 07:57 PM   #4 
  - Here is some information from the Vaccine Information center  truedelphi   May-24-10 08:08 PM   #5 
     - I won't accept "information" from that site  Confusious   May-24-10 08:17 PM   #6 
     - An actual study on the issue found no evidence of such concerns.  HuckleB   May-24-10 08:19 PM   #7 
     - VAERS...  SidDithers   May-24-10 08:22 PM   #10 
        - LOL!!!  Odin2005   May-24-10 08:24 PM   #13 
        - HULK ANGRY! HULK HAD BAD REACTION!  Confusious   May-24-10 08:28 PM   #16 
        - +1 ...  HuckleB   May-24-10 08:33 PM   #18 
        - Wow. nt  Robb   May-25-10 07:00 AM   #46 
        - They so should not have given permission  Dorian Gray   May-25-10 08:13 AM   #52 
        - !!!  Soylent Brice   May-25-10 02:38 PM   #90 
        - VACCINE SMASHED!  PVnRT   May-26-10 11:42 AM   #120 
  - "a populace of people who are so dumbed down these days that they cannot think straight"  trotsky   May-24-10 08:56 PM   #21 
  - So let's help people be less dumbed down!  HuckleB   May-24-10 09:05 PM   #23 
  - I think that child was obviously killed by breathing air. Or drinking milk or formula.  kestrel91316   May-24-10 10:31 PM   #30 
  - That air will get you every single time!  truedelphi   May-25-10 02:40 AM   #37 
  - Eh....  moriah   May-26-10 05:37 AM   #111 
  - Yes indeed.  mzmolly   May-26-10 01:54 PM   #124 
  - SIDS Not Linked to Number and Variety of Childhood Vaccines  HuckleB   May-27-10 10:12 AM   #140 
  - Advising someone do that is shameful. Same as for one who died from allergic reaction to an  uppityperson   May-29-10 03:11 PM   #157 
  - Nave theories of causal force and compression of elapsed time judgments.  HuckleB   Jun-01-10 09:01 AM   #162 
  - Your statement is misleading  Tumbulu   Jan-09-11 12:42 AM   #169 
  - Greetings to the anti-science crowd. Thanks for the unrecs!  HuckleB   May-24-10 07:32 PM   #2 
  - Thanks for pointing that out.  cornermouse   May-24-10 08:20 PM   #8 
     - I understand vaccines quite well.  HuckleB   May-24-10 08:21 PM   #9 
     - The children who had the injection developed large welts  cornermouse   May-24-10 08:26 PM   #14 
        - LOL!  HuckleB   May-24-10 08:28 PM   #15 
        - before Corporate America started its drive to convince us that only  truedelphi   May-25-10 02:38 AM   #36 
           - Baseless fearmongering  Orrex   May-25-10 06:56 AM   #43 
           - That is BS. Anecdotes have NO place in science. and never have.  Odin2005   May-25-10 08:01 AM   #50 
           - anecdotes used to be part of inductive reasoning  Confusious   May-25-10 09:02 AM   #60 
           - Syllogistic logic differs from inductive reasoning...  truedelphi   May-25-10 01:52 PM   #78 
              - However you want to put it  Confusious   May-25-10 04:22 PM   #96 
           - Newsflash: The researchers on this study were UNPAID!  HuckleB   Jun-03-10 06:02 PM   #165 
           - I am always puzzled when I read all these attacks on this forum  Tumbulu   Jan-12-11 01:11 PM   #179 
        - But can you prove that those welts were not the result of...  truedelphi   May-25-10 02:21 AM   #35 
           - The rate of occurrence of Gullian Barre is statistically insignificant  Orrex   May-25-10 06:54 AM   #42 
           - What's amazing to me is the rather large percentage of DUers who developed GB in the '70s.  HuckleB   May-25-10 08:26 AM   #57 
           - Indeed.  Orrex   May-25-10 10:18 AM   #70 
           - Yes of course, to statistic gatherers in the vaccine labs it is insignificant.  truedelphi   May-25-10 01:59 PM   #79 
              - You're making a lot of unsupported claims there.  Orrex   May-25-10 04:55 PM   #97 
              - Incidentally...  Orrex   May-25-10 07:19 PM   #101 
           - Really?  Confusious   May-25-10 09:17 AM   #65 
           - My mom got a flu shot and got GB, too.  Th1onein   May-25-10 09:35 PM   #106 
           - I'm sorry about your mother, and I don't question your grief  Orrex   May-25-10 11:20 PM   #109 
              - No, we shouldn't outlaw cars, but we shouldn't shield vaccine makers from lawsuits, either.  Th1onein   May-27-10 01:49 AM   #138 
                 - But at what level of accountability?  Orrex   May-27-10 08:01 AM   #139 
                    - What level of accountability?  Th1onein   May-28-10 02:48 PM   #144 
                       - So you would agree that a handful of adverse reactions, out of millions of vaccines, is no big deal?  Orrex   May-28-10 07:04 PM   #148 
           - For someone who's such a logic expert  PVnRT   May-26-10 11:50 AM   #121 
     - No, since the vaccines don't have mercury  Confusious   May-24-10 08:30 PM   #17 
        - My kids started getting their vaccinations 31 and 29 years ago.  cornermouse   May-24-10 08:36 PM   #19 
        - No they didn't  Confusious   May-24-10 08:39 PM   #20 
        - Which Thimerosal-containing vaccines did they get?  HuckleB   May-24-10 09:04 PM   #22 
           - Oh christ....don't ask for facts when there's obviously anecdote...n/t  msanthrope   May-24-10 09:10 PM   #24 
           - I couldn't help myself.  HuckleB   May-24-10 09:14 PM   #27 
              - Then you should really enjoy the outright lie otherwise known as  cornermouse   May-25-10 02:59 AM   #38 
                 - Citation?  Orrex   May-25-10 07:13 AM   #47 
                 - That's an interesting claim.  HuckleB   May-25-10 08:22 AM   #55 
                 - Nobody to my knowledge says that giving children their shots on schedule raises their IQ  LeftishBrit   Jan-15-11 02:28 PM   #191 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-25-10 06:57 AM   #44 
              - I got my pediatric vaccines 37-38 years ago.  trotsky   May-25-10 07:37 AM   #48 
              - Ouch!  HuckleB   May-25-10 08:20 AM   #54 
                 - And I stand deleted.  Orrex   May-28-10 07:27 PM   #149 
                    - Double ouch!  HuckleB   May-28-10 08:23 PM   #151 
        - Vaccines now often have formaldehyde. n/t  truedelphi   May-26-10 07:06 PM   #129 
        - Toxic myths about vaccines  HuckleB   May-26-10 08:06 PM   #130 
        - Moreover...  LeftishBrit   Jan-15-11 02:36 PM   #192 
  - K&R...  SidDithers   May-24-10 08:23 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-24-10 08:24 PM   #12 
  - Yep. n/t  msanthrope   May-24-10 09:11 PM   #25 
  - The standard reply is "Did they have a vested interest in the outcome of the study"  The Straight Story   May-24-10 09:13 PM   #26 
  - k&r n/t  tammywammy   May-24-10 09:58 PM   #28 
  - k & r for science!  neverforget   May-24-10 10:11 PM   #29 
  - Thank you.  HuckleB   May-24-10 10:52 PM   #31 
  - What about small sub-populations of vulnerable people?  eridani   May-24-10 11:03 PM   #32 
  - This all makes me glad my kids were babies "back in the day"  SoCalDem   May-24-10 11:09 PM   #33 
  - Actually, it's a great time to be a parent of young ones.  HuckleB   May-24-10 11:15 PM   #34 
  - Overall that is true. This still does not answer the question of whether  eridani   May-25-10 05:23 AM   #39 
     - We know there are some "small, vulnerable sub-populations."  trotsky   May-25-10 06:44 AM   #41 
        - +1  Orrex   May-25-10 06:58 AM   #45 
        - Thank you for this fine explanation.  HuckleB   May-25-10 08:20 AM   #53 
        - I think that people who are not vulnerable can afford a few free riders  eridani   May-25-10 07:26 PM   #102 
           - You're missing the point. Well, a couple of points.  trotsky   May-25-10 07:56 PM   #104 
              - It took quite awhile to resolve the weak (though significant) correlation of salt intake  eridani   May-26-10 01:44 AM   #110 
                 - Two wholly different and incomparable physiological processes.  trotsky   May-26-10 06:38 AM   #113 
  - Both of our pediatricians did the same.  Dappleganger   May-25-10 07:30 PM   #103 
  - Your pediatrician did so by ignoring the evidence against there being any need for such practice.  HuckleB   Jan-08-11 10:32 AM   #168 
     - so what is the purpose of your statement?  Tumbulu   Jan-09-11 12:44 AM   #170 
        - Uh huh.  HuckleB   Jan-09-11 12:56 AM   #171 
           - Can you tell me all the immunology courses you have taken  Tumbulu   Jan-09-11 10:06 PM   #172 
              - Got red herring?  HuckleB   Jan-10-11 12:56 PM   #173 
                 - I do not understand your reply  Tumbulu   Jan-10-11 10:52 PM   #174 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-11 10:54 PM   #175 
                       - insults- hmmm still no answer form you  Tumbulu   Jan-10-11 11:43 PM   #176 
                          - There were no insults.  HuckleB   Jan-11-11 11:19 AM   #178 
  - Agreed. And, where are the studies that try to identify such people?  mzmolly   May-26-10 01:56 PM   #125 
  - Sounds like you've read far too much David Kirby fiction.  HuckleB   May-26-10 09:18 PM   #131 
  - Recommend! Nt  xchrom   May-25-10 05:48 AM   #40 
  - Prior to the advent of immunizations against the 'dread' diseases...  hayu_lol   May-25-10 08:00 AM   #49 
     - My grandmother walked with a limp all her life because of Polio.  Odin2005   May-25-10 08:04 AM   #51 
     - And then there is the 'story' about a 15 day old named...  hayu_lol   May-25-10 08:24 AM   #56 
        - I am assuming that this is the post that SeaBeyond has referenced...  hayu_lol   May-25-10 02:36 PM   #89 
           - Yes, I believe it is.  HuckleB   May-25-10 06:02 PM   #100 
     - Do you have a link to the 50 dead by 16 statistic you note?  mzmolly   May-26-10 01:57 PM   #126 
  - NEUROLOGICA: Vaccines Too Few, Too Late  HuckleB   May-25-10 08:43 AM   #58 
  - what you do accomplish on these threads... is shut people up. not change minds  seabeyond   May-25-10 08:48 AM   #59 
     - Thanks for your "opinion."  HuckleB   May-25-10 09:07 AM   #61 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-25-10 09:12 AM   #62 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-25-10 09:14 AM   #63 
        - hypocrisy? please point it out, instead of baseless accusation. wall? wtf are  seabeyond   May-25-10 09:15 AM   #64 
           - Hardly.  HuckleB   May-25-10 09:36 AM   #67 
              - and i think to laugh at a 15 day old baby's death, or accuse parents of negligent  seabeyond   May-25-10 09:56 AM   #68 
                 - That excuses the hypocrisy you've offered up?  HuckleB   May-25-10 10:11 AM   #69 
                    - no, there is not a hypocrisy on my part. you might look up hypocrisy. seems to be a challenge for  seabeyond   May-25-10 10:37 AM   #71 
                       - Oh brother.  HuckleB   May-25-10 11:52 AM   #72 
                       - no. generally i ignore these threads. it is laughing about the death of a 15 day old that prompted  seabeyond   May-25-10 01:38 PM   #75 
                          - Well, you've made no point whatsoever.  HuckleB   May-25-10 02:09 PM   #80 
                          - so  seabeyond   May-25-10 02:27 PM   #84 
                             - And yet again you put words in my mouth.  HuckleB   May-25-10 02:34 PM   #87 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   May-26-10 11:53 PM   #137 
                       - Oh, and could you point out where the "laughter" is in the post about the 15-day-old baby dying?  HuckleB   May-25-10 01:17 PM   #74 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-26-10 11:10 AM   #118 
     - Are vaccines perfect? No, but what is the alternative?  MicaelS   May-25-10 12:05 PM   #73 
        - see, i saw your post asking questions and got a bet excited.  seabeyond   May-25-10 01:45 PM   #76 
           - So what is your alternative to vaccination? n/t  MicaelS   May-25-10 02:24 PM   #83 
              - *sigh*. have i suggested anywhere there should not be vaccinations? nt  seabeyond   May-25-10 02:27 PM   #85 
                 - Then WHAT precisely is your point? n/t  MicaelS   May-25-10 09:55 PM   #107 
                    - I don't think there was one.  HuckleB   May-25-10 10:31 PM   #108 
                    - I think her point is the  Dorian Gray   May-26-10 06:07 AM   #112 
                       - Then why did she bring so much contentiousness to this thread?  HuckleB   May-26-10 03:13 PM   #127 
                          - I don't know,  Dorian Gray   May-27-10 06:31 PM   #143 
                             - She offered an extremely one-sided "aggravation."  HuckleB   May-28-10 03:38 PM   #146 
  - I remember us all standing in line in 1st grade=smallpox in one arm,dpt in the other  w8liftinglady   May-25-10 09:31 AM   #66 
  - Add chickenpox on, too. My daughters got vaccines for it. I was shocked because  Jennicut   May-25-10 01:47 PM   #77 
     - and, unless my information is old (possible) they still could get it as adults...  fleabert   May-25-10 02:18 PM   #81 
     - OMG OMG OMG you are anti science. how dare you question or have concerns  seabeyond   May-25-10 02:28 PM   #86 
     - i will just sit her quietly in the shame corner...  fleabert   May-25-10 02:42 PM   #91 
     - You can get the vaccine as an adult, I believe.  Jennicut   May-25-10 02:35 PM   #88 
     - most states have forms that can be filled out for those that choose not to vax...  fleabert   May-25-10 02:51 PM   #93 
     - I am not anti vax at all, being a diabetic I rely on the flu vaccine every year.  Jennicut   May-25-10 03:07 PM   #95 
        - we are on the same page it seems-  fleabert   May-26-10 10:16 AM   #115 
     - It's not only available for adults, but highly encouraged.  HiFructosePronSyrup   May-25-10 02:53 PM   #94 
     - actually,an adult that hasn't had cp is in a lot worse shape  w8liftinglady   May-25-10 05:05 PM   #98 
     - um, that was my point.  fleabert   May-26-10 10:13 AM   #114 
     - No, having chicken pox doesn't necessarily give lifelong immunity.  trotsky   May-25-10 05:22 PM   #99 
        - my grandfather had shingles, not fun.  fleabert   May-26-10 10:22 AM   #116 
           - Technically he's right - shingles can be brought about by stress.  trotsky   May-26-10 10:55 AM   #117 
     - Immunizations - General Overview -- Varicella-Zoster Virus (Chickenpox)  HuckleB   May-25-10 02:22 PM   #82 
  - This is very good news and very good information. Thanks!  Maru Kitteh   May-25-10 02:44 PM   #92 
  - Indeed. You're welcome.  HuckleB   May-25-10 08:51 PM   #105 
  - This is ground breaking?  Javaman   May-26-10 11:23 AM   #119 
  - Before our daughter was born...  Tiberius   May-26-10 11:57 AM   #122 
  - Too late to rec, but I'm glad to see such studies  mzmolly   May-26-10 01:52 PM   #123 
  - Makes sense to me. n/t  truedelphi   May-26-10 07:06 PM   #128 
  - Thanks T.  mzmolly   May-26-10 09:29 PM   #132 
  - What makes sense to you?  HuckleB   May-29-10 12:23 AM   #156 
  - No, it doesn't make sense to me.  HuckleB   May-26-10 09:32 PM   #133 
  - Your response  mzmolly   May-26-10 09:58 PM   #134 
     - Thanks for imagining hostility.  HuckleB   May-26-10 10:10 PM   #135 
     - The source you note is an unnamed entertainer by his own  mzmolly   May-27-10 12:46 PM   #142 
        - You can disagree. That's your right.  HuckleB   May-28-10 03:36 PM   #145 
           - The last word is yours, but I must correct something you said. I have posted information from  mzmolly   May-28-10 05:18 PM   #147 
              - Not per topic, generally.  HuckleB   May-28-10 08:22 PM   #150 
                 - Ok Bub.  mzmolly   May-28-10 11:01 PM   #152 
                    - Enjoy Yourself!  HuckleB   May-28-10 11:13 PM   #153 
                       - Will do.  mzmolly   May-28-10 11:27 PM   #154 
     - David Kirby is a fraud and a liar.  Odin2005   May-29-10 08:14 PM   #158 
     - Why of course he is.  mzmolly   May-29-10 09:24 PM   #159 
        - We in the Neurodiversity community have been kicking that idiot around for years.  Odin2005   May-29-10 11:37 PM   #161 
     - First of all, I believe that many Amish people do vaccinate, though fewer than in the general  LeftishBrit   Jan-12-11 04:38 PM   #182 
        - Yes, they do vaccinate.  HuckleB   Jan-12-11 04:50 PM   #183 
           - Well of course they have children with autism!  laconicsax   Jan-12-11 04:54 PM   #184 
  - makes sense to me as well. (nt)  Tumbulu   May-26-10 11:46 PM   #136 
     - Thank  mzmolly   May-27-10 11:07 AM   #141 
     - Explain what makes sense to you, why and how.  HuckleB   May-28-10 11:28 PM   #155 
  - This study does not look at all of the parameters of concern to me.  Crunchy Frog   May-29-10 11:05 PM   #160 
  - Of course, it doesn't.  HuckleB   Jun-03-10 06:04 PM   #166 
  - Hey, a parent educated at Google U is FAR more of an expert...  trotsky   Jun-03-10 06:42 PM   #167 
  - thanks for taking a free ride on my kids' immunity  Teaser   Jan-11-11 03:26 AM   #177 
  - kick  xchrom   Jun-01-10 07:08 PM   #163 
  - A PSA Poster That Says It All.  HuckleB   Jun-03-10 05:51 PM   #164 
  - Why were multiple studies like this not done BEFORE  Tumbulu   Jan-12-11 01:52 PM   #180 
  - Frequently Asked Questions About Multiple Vaccinations and the Immune System  HuckleB   Jan-12-11 02:53 PM   #181 
  - .  HuckleB   Sep-19-11 10:48 AM   #193 
  - Read the fine print  mhatrw   Jan-13-11 07:37 PM   #185 
  - Ah, a letter of response.  HuckleB   Jan-13-11 07:54 PM   #186 
     - I didn't leave out anything. I linked all responses.  mhatrw   Jan-14-11 12:26 AM   #187 
        - Sure you did.  HuckleB   Jan-14-11 12:44 AM   #188 
           - I just published my debunking on the post you just replied to.  mhatrw   Jan-14-11 01:12 AM   #189 
              - What are you pretending to debunk?  HuckleB   Jan-14-11 01:13 AM   #190 
  - .  HuckleB   Sep-19-11 10:51 AM   #194 
 

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