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Tue May-25-10 06:54 AM
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| 42. The rate of occurrence of Gullian Barre is statistically insignificant |
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According to Wiki, the rate is about one case per million vaccinations. I grant that Wiki is far from a definitive source, so if you can offer a more authoritative source with a different conclusion, I will be happy to review it. However, to dismiss a vaccine on the basis of a one in a million illness is irresponsible and reactionary.
I'm very confident that someone will now assert that there were many more "undiagnosed" or "unreported" cases, or that doctors suppressed reports of the illness. I welcome evidence in support of these claims.
It is rather ridiculous to try to talk to people who've concluded that vaccines are BAD BAD BAD and that any support of vaccines means that the person is closed-minded, or a science dogmatist, or a big pharma shill.
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| -New study: many vaccines at once OK for kids |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 07:12 PM |
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The reasoning of the fearmongers never made sense anyway. |
trotsky |
May-24-10 07:22 PM |
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Tell that to the parents whose children are killed from these vaccines. |
truedelphi |
May-24-10 07:47 PM |
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Your proof the baby died from a vaccine IS????? |
Confusious |
May-24-10 07:57 PM |
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Here is some information from the Vaccine Information center |
truedelphi |
May-24-10 08:08 PM |
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I won't accept "information" from that site |
Confusious |
May-24-10 08:17 PM |
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An actual study on the issue found no evidence of such concerns. |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 08:19 PM |
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VAERS... |
SidDithers |
May-24-10 08:22 PM |
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LOL!!! |
Odin2005 |
May-24-10 08:24 PM |
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HULK ANGRY! HULK HAD BAD REACTION! |
Confusious |
May-24-10 08:28 PM |
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+1 ... |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 08:33 PM |
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Wow. nt |
Robb |
May-25-10 07:00 AM |
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They so should not have given permission |
Dorian Gray |
May-25-10 08:13 AM |
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!!! |
Soylent Brice |
May-25-10 02:38 PM |
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VACCINE SMASHED! |
PVnRT |
May-26-10 11:42 AM |
#120 |
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"a populace of people who are so dumbed down these days that they cannot think straight" |
trotsky |
May-24-10 08:56 PM |
#21 |
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So let's help people be less dumbed down! |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 09:05 PM |
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I think that child was obviously killed by breathing air. Or drinking milk or formula. |
kestrel91316 |
May-24-10 10:31 PM |
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That air will get you every single time! |
truedelphi |
May-25-10 02:40 AM |
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Eh.... |
moriah |
May-26-10 05:37 AM |
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Yes indeed. |
mzmolly |
May-26-10 01:54 PM |
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SIDS Not Linked to Number and Variety of Childhood Vaccines |
HuckleB |
May-27-10 10:12 AM |
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Advising someone do that is shameful. Same as for one who died from allergic reaction to an |
uppityperson |
May-29-10 03:11 PM |
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Naïve theories of causal force and compression of elapsed time judgments. |
HuckleB |
Jun-01-10 09:01 AM |
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Your statement is misleading |
Tumbulu |
Jan-09-11 12:42 AM |
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Greetings to the anti-science crowd. Thanks for the unrecs! |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 07:32 PM |
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Thanks for pointing that out. |
cornermouse |
May-24-10 08:20 PM |
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I understand vaccines quite well. |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 08:21 PM |
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The children who had the injection developed large welts |
cornermouse |
May-24-10 08:26 PM |
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LOL! |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 08:28 PM |
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before Corporate America started its drive to convince us that only |
truedelphi |
May-25-10 02:38 AM |
#36 |
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Baseless fearmongering |
Orrex |
May-25-10 06:56 AM |
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That is BS. Anecdotes have NO place in science. and never have. |
Odin2005 |
May-25-10 08:01 AM |
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anecdotes used to be part of inductive reasoning |
Confusious |
May-25-10 09:02 AM |
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Syllogistic logic differs from inductive reasoning... |
truedelphi |
May-25-10 01:52 PM |
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However you want to put it |
Confusious |
May-25-10 04:22 PM |
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Newsflash: The researchers on this study were UNPAID! |
HuckleB |
Jun-03-10 06:02 PM |
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I am always puzzled when I read all these attacks on this forum |
Tumbulu |
Jan-12-11 01:11 PM |
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But can you prove that those welts were not the result of... |
truedelphi |
May-25-10 02:21 AM |
#35 |
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The rate of occurrence of Gullian Barre is statistically insignificant |
Orrex |
May-25-10 06:54 AM |
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What's amazing to me is the rather large percentage of DUers who developed GB in the '70s. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 08:26 AM |
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Indeed. |
Orrex |
May-25-10 10:18 AM |
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Yes of course, to statistic gatherers in the vaccine labs it is insignificant. |
truedelphi |
May-25-10 01:59 PM |
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You're making a lot of unsupported claims there. |
Orrex |
May-25-10 04:55 PM |
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Incidentally... |
Orrex |
May-25-10 07:19 PM |
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Really? |
Confusious |
May-25-10 09:17 AM |
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My mom got a flu shot and got GB, too. |
Th1onein |
May-25-10 09:35 PM |
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I'm sorry about your mother, and I don't question your grief |
Orrex |
May-25-10 11:20 PM |
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No, we shouldn't outlaw cars, but we shouldn't shield vaccine makers from lawsuits, either. |
Th1onein |
May-27-10 01:49 AM |
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But at what level of accountability? |
Orrex |
May-27-10 08:01 AM |
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What level of accountability? |
Th1onein |
May-28-10 02:48 PM |
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So you would agree that a handful of adverse reactions, out of millions of vaccines, is no big deal? |
Orrex |
May-28-10 07:04 PM |
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For someone who's such a logic expert |
PVnRT |
May-26-10 11:50 AM |
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No, since the vaccines don't have mercury |
Confusious |
May-24-10 08:30 PM |
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My kids started getting their vaccinations 31 and 29 years ago. |
cornermouse |
May-24-10 08:36 PM |
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No they didn't |
Confusious |
May-24-10 08:39 PM |
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Which Thimerosal-containing vaccines did they get? |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 09:04 PM |
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Oh christ....don't ask for facts when there's obviously anecdote...n/t |
msanthrope |
May-24-10 09:10 PM |
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I couldn't help myself. |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 09:14 PM |
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Then you should really enjoy the outright lie otherwise known as |
cornermouse |
May-25-10 02:59 AM |
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Citation? |
Orrex |
May-25-10 07:13 AM |
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That's an interesting claim. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 08:22 AM |
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Nobody to my knowledge says that giving children their shots on schedule raises their IQ |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-15-11 02:28 PM |
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May-25-10 06:57 AM |
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I got my pediatric vaccines 37-38 years ago. |
trotsky |
May-25-10 07:37 AM |
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Ouch! |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 08:20 AM |
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And I stand deleted. |
Orrex |
May-28-10 07:27 PM |
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Double ouch! |
HuckleB |
May-28-10 08:23 PM |
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Vaccines now often have formaldehyde. n/t |
truedelphi |
May-26-10 07:06 PM |
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Toxic myths about vaccines |
HuckleB |
May-26-10 08:06 PM |
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Moreover... |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-15-11 02:36 PM |
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K&R... |
SidDithers |
May-24-10 08:23 PM |
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May-24-10 08:24 PM |
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Yep. n/t |
msanthrope |
May-24-10 09:11 PM |
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The standard reply is "Did they have a vested interest in the outcome of the study" |
The Straight Story |
May-24-10 09:13 PM |
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k&r n/t |
tammywammy |
May-24-10 09:58 PM |
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k & r for science! |
neverforget |
May-24-10 10:11 PM |
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Thank you. |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 10:52 PM |
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What about small sub-populations of vulnerable people? |
eridani |
May-24-10 11:03 PM |
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This all makes me glad my kids were babies "back in the day" |
SoCalDem |
May-24-10 11:09 PM |
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Actually, it's a great time to be a parent of young ones. |
HuckleB |
May-24-10 11:15 PM |
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Overall that is true. This still does not answer the question of whether |
eridani |
May-25-10 05:23 AM |
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We know there are some "small, vulnerable sub-populations." |
trotsky |
May-25-10 06:44 AM |
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+1 |
Orrex |
May-25-10 06:58 AM |
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Thank you for this fine explanation. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 08:20 AM |
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I think that people who are not vulnerable can afford a few free riders |
eridani |
May-25-10 07:26 PM |
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You're missing the point. Well, a couple of points. |
trotsky |
May-25-10 07:56 PM |
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It took quite awhile to resolve the weak (though significant) correlation of salt intake |
eridani |
May-26-10 01:44 AM |
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Two wholly different and incomparable physiological processes. |
trotsky |
May-26-10 06:38 AM |
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Both of our pediatricians did the same. |
Dappleganger |
May-25-10 07:30 PM |
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Your pediatrician did so by ignoring the evidence against there being any need for such practice. |
HuckleB |
Jan-08-11 10:32 AM |
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so what is the purpose of your statement? |
Tumbulu |
Jan-09-11 12:44 AM |
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Uh huh. |
HuckleB |
Jan-09-11 12:56 AM |
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Can you tell me all the immunology courses you have taken |
Tumbulu |
Jan-09-11 10:06 PM |
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Got red herring? |
HuckleB |
Jan-10-11 12:56 PM |
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I do not understand your reply |
Tumbulu |
Jan-10-11 10:52 PM |
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Jan-10-11 10:54 PM |
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insults- hmmm still no answer form you |
Tumbulu |
Jan-10-11 11:43 PM |
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There were no insults. |
HuckleB |
Jan-11-11 11:19 AM |
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Agreed. And, where are the studies that try to identify such people? |
mzmolly |
May-26-10 01:56 PM |
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Sounds like you've read far too much David Kirby fiction. |
HuckleB |
May-26-10 09:18 PM |
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Recommend! Nt |
xchrom |
May-25-10 05:48 AM |
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Prior to the advent of immunizations against the 'dread' diseases... |
hayu_lol |
May-25-10 08:00 AM |
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My grandmother walked with a limp all her life because of Polio. |
Odin2005 |
May-25-10 08:04 AM |
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And then there is the 'story' about a 15 day old named... |
hayu_lol |
May-25-10 08:24 AM |
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I am assuming that this is the post that SeaBeyond has referenced... |
hayu_lol |
May-25-10 02:36 PM |
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Yes, I believe it is. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 06:02 PM |
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Do you have a link to the 50 dead by 16 statistic you note? |
mzmolly |
May-26-10 01:57 PM |
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NEUROLOGICA: Vaccines – Too Few, Too Late |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 08:43 AM |
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what you do accomplish on these threads... is shut people up. not change minds |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 08:48 AM |
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Thanks for your "opinion." |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 09:07 AM |
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May-25-10 09:12 AM |
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May-25-10 09:14 AM |
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hypocrisy? please point it out, instead of baseless accusation. wall? wtf are |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 09:15 AM |
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Hardly. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 09:36 AM |
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and i think to laugh at a 15 day old baby's death, or accuse parents of negligent |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 09:56 AM |
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That excuses the hypocrisy you've offered up? |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 10:11 AM |
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no, there is not a hypocrisy on my part. you might look up hypocrisy. seems to be a challenge for |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 10:37 AM |
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Oh brother. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 11:52 AM |
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no. generally i ignore these threads. it is laughing about the death of a 15 day old that prompted |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 01:38 PM |
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Well, you've made no point whatsoever. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 02:09 PM |
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so |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 02:27 PM |
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And yet again you put words in my mouth. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 02:34 PM |
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May-26-10 11:53 PM |
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Oh, and could you point out where the "laughter" is in the post about the 15-day-old baby dying? |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 01:17 PM |
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May-26-10 11:10 AM |
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Are vaccines perfect? No, but what is the alternative? |
MicaelS |
May-25-10 12:05 PM |
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see, i saw your post asking questions and got a bet excited. |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 01:45 PM |
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So what is your alternative to vaccination? n/t |
MicaelS |
May-25-10 02:24 PM |
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*sigh*. have i suggested anywhere there should not be vaccinations? nt |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 02:27 PM |
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Then WHAT precisely is your point? n/t |
MicaelS |
May-25-10 09:55 PM |
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I don't think there was one. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 10:31 PM |
#108 |
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I think her point is the |
Dorian Gray |
May-26-10 06:07 AM |
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Then why did she bring so much contentiousness to this thread? |
HuckleB |
May-26-10 03:13 PM |
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I don't know, |
Dorian Gray |
May-27-10 06:31 PM |
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She offered an extremely one-sided "aggravation." |
HuckleB |
May-28-10 03:38 PM |
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I remember us all standing in line in 1st grade=smallpox in one arm,dpt in the other |
w8liftinglady |
May-25-10 09:31 AM |
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Add chickenpox on, too. My daughters got vaccines for it. I was shocked because |
Jennicut |
May-25-10 01:47 PM |
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and, unless my information is old (possible) they still could get it as adults... |
fleabert |
May-25-10 02:18 PM |
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OMG OMG OMG you are anti science. how dare you question or have concerns |
seabeyond |
May-25-10 02:28 PM |
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i will just sit her quietly in the shame corner... |
fleabert |
May-25-10 02:42 PM |
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You can get the vaccine as an adult, I believe. |
Jennicut |
May-25-10 02:35 PM |
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most states have forms that can be filled out for those that choose not to vax... |
fleabert |
May-25-10 02:51 PM |
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I am not anti vax at all, being a diabetic I rely on the flu vaccine every year. |
Jennicut |
May-25-10 03:07 PM |
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we are on the same page it seems- |
fleabert |
May-26-10 10:16 AM |
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It's not only available for adults, but highly encouraged. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-25-10 02:53 PM |
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actually,an adult that hasn't had cp is in a lot worse shape |
w8liftinglady |
May-25-10 05:05 PM |
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um, that was my point. |
fleabert |
May-26-10 10:13 AM |
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No, having chicken pox doesn't necessarily give lifelong immunity. |
trotsky |
May-25-10 05:22 PM |
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my grandfather had shingles, not fun. |
fleabert |
May-26-10 10:22 AM |
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Technically he's right - shingles can be brought about by stress. |
trotsky |
May-26-10 10:55 AM |
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Immunizations - General Overview -- Varicella-Zoster Virus (Chickenpox) |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 02:22 PM |
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This is very good news and very good information. Thanks! |
Maru Kitteh |
May-25-10 02:44 PM |
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Indeed. You're welcome. |
HuckleB |
May-25-10 08:51 PM |
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This is ground breaking? |
Javaman |
May-26-10 11:23 AM |
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Before our daughter was born... |
Tiberius |
May-26-10 11:57 AM |
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Too late to rec, but I'm glad to see such studies |
mzmolly |
May-26-10 01:52 PM |
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Makes sense to me. n/t |
truedelphi |
May-26-10 07:06 PM |
#128 |
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Thanks T. |
mzmolly |
May-26-10 09:29 PM |
#132 |
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What makes sense to you? |
HuckleB |
May-29-10 12:23 AM |
#156 |
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No, it doesn't make sense to me. |
HuckleB |
May-26-10 09:32 PM |
#133 |
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Your response |
mzmolly |
May-26-10 09:58 PM |
#134 |
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Thanks for imagining hostility. |
HuckleB |
May-26-10 10:10 PM |
#135 |
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The source you note is an unnamed entertainer by his own |
mzmolly |
May-27-10 12:46 PM |
#142 |
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You can disagree. That's your right. |
HuckleB |
May-28-10 03:36 PM |
#145 |
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The last word is yours, but I must correct something you said. I have posted information from |
mzmolly |
May-28-10 05:18 PM |
#147 |
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Not per topic, generally. |
HuckleB |
May-28-10 08:22 PM |
#150 |
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Ok Bub. |
mzmolly |
May-28-10 11:01 PM |
#152 |
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Enjoy Yourself! |
HuckleB |
May-28-10 11:13 PM |
#153 |
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Will do. |
mzmolly |
May-28-10 11:27 PM |
#154 |
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David Kirby is a fraud and a liar. |
Odin2005 |
May-29-10 08:14 PM |
#158 |
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Why of course he is. |
mzmolly |
May-29-10 09:24 PM |
#159 |
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We in the Neurodiversity community have been kicking that idiot around for years. |
Odin2005 |
May-29-10 11:37 PM |
#161 |
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First of all, I believe that many Amish people do vaccinate, though fewer than in the general |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-11 04:38 PM |
#182 |
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Yes, they do vaccinate. |
HuckleB |
Jan-12-11 04:50 PM |
#183 |
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Well of course they have children with autism! |
laconicsax |
Jan-12-11 04:54 PM |
#184 |
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makes sense to me as well. (nt) |
Tumbulu |
May-26-10 11:46 PM |
#136 |
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Thank |
mzmolly |
May-27-10 11:07 AM |
#141 |
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Explain what makes sense to you, why and how. |
HuckleB |
May-28-10 11:28 PM |
#155 |
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This study does not look at all of the parameters of concern to me. |
Crunchy Frog |
May-29-10 11:05 PM |
#160 |
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Of course, it doesn't. |
HuckleB |
Jun-03-10 06:04 PM |
#166 |
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Hey, a parent educated at Google U is FAR more of an expert... |
trotsky |
Jun-03-10 06:42 PM |
#167 |
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thanks for taking a free ride on my kids' immunity |
Teaser |
Jan-11-11 03:26 AM |
#177 |
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kick |
xchrom |
Jun-01-10 07:08 PM |
#163 |
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A PSA Poster That Says It All. |
HuckleB |
Jun-03-10 05:51 PM |
#164 |
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Why were multiple studies like this not done BEFORE |
Tumbulu |
Jan-12-11 01:52 PM |
#180 |
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Frequently Asked Questions About Multiple Vaccinations and the Immune System |
HuckleB |
Jan-12-11 02:53 PM |
#181 |
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. |
HuckleB |
Sep-19-11 10:48 AM |
#193 |
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Read the fine print |
mhatrw |
Jan-13-11 07:37 PM |
#185 |
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Ah, a letter of response. |
HuckleB |
Jan-13-11 07:54 PM |
#186 |
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I didn't leave out anything. I linked all responses. |
mhatrw |
Jan-14-11 12:26 AM |
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Sure you did. |
HuckleB |
Jan-14-11 12:44 AM |
#188 |
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I just published my debunking on the post you just replied to. |
mhatrw |
Jan-14-11 01:12 AM |
#189 |
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What are you pretending to debunk? |
HuckleB |
Jan-14-11 01:13 AM |
#190 |
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. |
HuckleB |
Sep-19-11 10:51 AM |
#194 |
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