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| 122. So, I had a new riding instructor |
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my horse shied and I was thrown to the ground. Within seconds, this teacher plopped some pellets into my mouth. They were sweet. She had me take them every 15 minutes for an hour as we continued with the rest of the lesson and then putting the horse back in the trailer so I could drive home. Normally when I was thrown from my horse I would be sore and covered with bruises. That night after getting home and feeding a the animals I took a bath to soak. No bruises. None. I called my instructor to ask her what was that stuff she plopped into my mouth. It was homeopathic arnica montana. I had never heard of homeopathic remedies, but amazed that I had no bruising or soreness I went to a heath food store and bought a bottle of this stuff. That was in 1994 and I never go anywhere without it. Since then I have been stunned by how some of these remedies can work for me. I know many people for whom these remedies are useless.
If I take apis melifera right after being stung by a wasp, there is not swelling and the sting stops hurting within 10 minutes. If I am out of the stuff and can't take it, then the stings hurt for days.
So, just because I do not understand why water would have a memory, what does it matter? These remedies work for me. So, wonderful. The arnica montana that I keep in my purse costs maybe $5 as does the apis. This is not a big deal. They help. They are inexpensive. There have been plenty of remedies that have not worked. So, I don't use them. There is one that supposedly gets a mother sheep to take a rejected lamb. So far this remedy has not worked. I am stuck bottle feeding lambs. I have stopped even trying that one.
Most organic livestock operations have a few remedies that they use regularly. The cattle and dairy people seems to use them the most. I find it very strange how many people go all crazy about homeopathy. It is the same group who go all nutty about vaccines on DU. I find it tiresome.
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| - The Case FOR Homeopathic Medicine: The Historical And Scientific Evidence |
Lorien |
Feb-10-10 04:31 PM |
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Dana Ullman misquoted Mark Twain at the end of the article |
derby378 |
Feb-10-10 04:39 PM |
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".... which forced the old-school doctor to stir around and learn |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-10-10 04:50 PM |
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Try researching the history of standard medicine AND homeopathy in the 19th century |
derby378 |
Feb-10-10 05:03 PM |
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All very interesting but try reading his words, as I quoted them to you. Much simpler |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-10-10 05:26 PM |
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I produced the actual quote for you |
derby378 |
Feb-11-10 08:57 AM |
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LOL. Get that crap off of Huffinton Post |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 04:39 PM |
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HuffPo does seem intent on bringing itself down with its anti-science goofiness. |
HuckleB |
Feb-10-10 04:44 PM |
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And so is the placebo effect... nothing to it, medical science says |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 05:19 PM |
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Placebo is the only mechanism that homeopathy could work from |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 05:33 PM |
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German farmers would disagree with you... or perhaps they are |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 05:36 PM |
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Fuck delusional German farmers |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 05:41 PM |
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You don't believe in quantum mechanics?? Strange that. You don't |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 05:47 PM |
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lol. Nice reach. Its all bullshit |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 06:04 PM |
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Diluted allopathic medicines have an effect on the body and if |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 06:21 PM |
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Many homeopathic remedies are dilluted to the point the original molecule cannot statistically exist |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 06:56 PM |
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And what makes you think that you need the original molecule? |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 07:00 PM |
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Because, if you didn't, common tap water would be able to cure anything |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 07:05 PM |
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I believe in science and all that it doesn't understand... perhaps |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 07:10 PM |
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Ah, mysterious quantum workings? Well Ill start drinking the ocean just in case then |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 07:12 PM |
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Glad you were able to understand that science doesn't have all |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 07:13 PM |
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Thats why I kill goats for Bhall, Yaweh, and Shiva each week |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 07:18 PM |
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Delusional American Dairy Farmers.... |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 07:25 PM |
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Delusional Norwegian Farmers |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 07:28 PM |
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Delusional Indian Farmers... |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 07:31 PM |
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Heh, farmers... |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 07:41 PM |
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Results in sick animals, the ultimate placebo killing, skeptic slaying |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-10-10 07:44 PM |
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heh, farmers... |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 08:01 PM |
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You sure about that wind of yours? |
HuckleB |
Feb-10-10 08:09 PM |
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From your link: |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-11-10 05:27 AM |
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Really? That's your response? |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 09:17 AM |
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You probably know as well as I do, that's HD's standard attack pattern. |
trotsky |
Feb-11-10 02:01 PM |
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He certainly conjures up one confused, bizarro world. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 05:51 PM |
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In truth, his posts are usually so all over the place that I don't bother reading them. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 08:43 PM |
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Your quote refers to Bach flower remedies as homeopathic |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-11-10 05:42 PM |
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Thank you for adding to my post. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 05:50 PM |
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No problem... and if I am wrong about everything I threw up here, |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-11-10 05:58 PM |
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Actually, your posts are both wrong AND inconsistent. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 05:59 PM |
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Thank your for your kind words... but really you should stop. n/t |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Feb-11-10 06:05 PM |
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Try responding to the actual content of the posts you "respond" to... |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 06:08 PM |
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Before even reading his response, I was going to say, 'Don't bank on it'! |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-11-10 04:24 PM |
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Actually, homeopaths tend to have a simpler label for it |
derby378 |
Feb-10-10 08:05 PM |
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Fascinating information, Lorien. Paging Ian David! Paging Ian David! |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-10-10 04:44 PM |
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I have no personal success stories with homepathic medicine |
Lorien |
Feb-10-10 09:16 PM |
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I soon gave up on Saw Palmetto for my prostate problem, but am sure that |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-11-10 04:01 PM |
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It appears that you don't know what homeopathy is. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 05:53 PM |
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Yeah, there are lots of plants with healing properties. |
laconicsax |
Feb-11-10 09:53 PM |
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+1 |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 11:33 PM |
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Homeopathic != Herbal...nt |
SidDithers |
Feb-16-10 09:02 AM |
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Lorien, it seems like Germany has embraced Homeopathic remedies |
fascisthunter |
Feb-10-10 04:47 PM |
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Ah, Old Europe.... What would they know! |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-10-10 04:50 PM |
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Homeopathy certainly does no harm |
Warpy |
Feb-10-10 04:50 PM |
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Indeed, it can do great harm if care is not taken. Your post is foolish from start to finish. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-10-10 04:52 PM |
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Exactly |
NoNothing |
Feb-10-10 04:53 PM |
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And Faith Healers. |
HuckleB |
Feb-10-10 04:58 PM |
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Then again... |
HuckleB |
Feb-10-10 04:58 PM |
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Modern medicine laden with chemicals does not cure anything. |
kimmerspixelated |
Feb-10-10 05:08 PM |
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Utter bullshit |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 05:27 PM |
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Where did you get your biology degree? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Feb-10-10 05:31 PM |
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You might want to reconsider that snotty post assessing lack of education. |
Warpy |
Feb-10-10 05:59 PM |
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That is one of the most ignorant, uninformed, ridiculous things I've ever read on DU. |
trotsky |
Feb-10-10 06:09 PM |
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Do you think that you can try to make a point WITHOUT personal attacks? |
Lorien |
Feb-11-10 11:32 AM |
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Did you miss the post that generated this? It calls scientists "sheeple" who can't be bothered to |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Feb-11-10 12:14 PM |
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Worse than that... |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-16-10 08:35 AM |
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Ah you're right. It calls patients sheeple and implies that scientists are shysters |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Feb-16-10 09:12 AM |
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If it's a personal attack, then alert on the post and it will be deleted. |
trotsky |
Feb-11-10 12:54 PM |
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Calling people who are in need of modern medicine 'sheeple' who won't try to 'educate themselves |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-15-10 03:57 PM |
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Your post would be funny in its complete and total foolishness |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Feb-10-10 06:43 PM |
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Dogpiling is kinda cheap, |
Codeine |
Feb-10-10 10:09 PM |
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Modern medicine is ONE OF THE MOST PRECIOUS THINGS IN THE WORLD! |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-15-10 03:54 PM |
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Unless you skip on real medicine when you need it thinking you have a cure |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 05:27 PM |
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At this point he's like the crazy uncle who keeps going on and on |
eShirl |
Feb-10-10 05:04 PM |
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+1 |
HuckleB |
Feb-10-10 05:05 PM |
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Ha, nice! :) |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Feb-10-10 06:47 PM |
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Excellent Post Lorien! |
kimmerspixelated |
Feb-10-10 05:10 PM |
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As responsible adults SHOULD do when they are confronted with such colossal ignorance. |
trotsky |
Feb-10-10 06:10 PM |
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Hey, I just posted it because it seemed like an interesting debate |
Lorien |
Feb-10-10 09:34 PM |
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For one, if you think this is "white hot seething rage," you have lived a sheltered life. |
trotsky |
Feb-11-10 06:36 AM |
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I'm am neither sheltered, nor promoting anything |
Lorien |
Feb-11-10 11:18 AM |
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You didn't post an article, you posted a piece of charlatan fiction. |
trotsky |
Feb-11-10 12:51 PM |
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I was lecturing to our students on the fallacies of the 'bell curve' theory last week! |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-15-10 04:36 PM |
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Thanks! But I'm neither a believer nor a denier |
Lorien |
Feb-10-10 09:21 PM |
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Every doctor I've seen here in Florida thinks that it has some merit |
Confusious |
Feb-15-10 12:47 PM |
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Homeopathic A&E |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 01:56 PM |
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A classic... |
SidDithers |
Feb-11-10 02:31 PM |
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Don't use big words like Homeopathic around FReepers. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Feb-10-10 05:10 PM |
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amazing how black and white this issue is for those against Homeopathic Medicine |
fascisthunter |
Feb-10-10 05:40 PM |
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Here is a clue: |
Oregone |
Feb-10-10 05:42 PM |
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amazing how black and white this issue is for those against Creatioinism |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Feb-10-10 05:43 PM |
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Penn and Teller revealed the tricks behind magic... and... well... |
HuckleB |
Feb-10-10 05:58 PM |
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You got me. I see four different doctors here in Florida. They mostly practice |
Lorien |
Feb-10-10 09:31 PM |
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"Top Doctors" lists don't mean a thing. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 09:20 AM |
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that makes sense to me... |
fascisthunter |
Feb-11-10 09:51 AM |
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By what function, other than the same function that faith healing "works," would homeopathy "work?" |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 09:54 AM |
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put a lid on the condescending attitude |
fascisthunter |
Feb-11-10 10:05 AM |
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I'm asking a question. It's a genuine question. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 10:09 AM |
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Good reads, as a start. |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 01:53 PM |
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thank you |
fascisthunter |
Feb-11-10 03:21 PM |
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FWIW; they aren't giving me bottles of water with the "essence" of something |
Lorien |
Feb-11-10 11:26 AM |
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I have Read many of your posts since becoming a memeber here, so I trust you |
fascisthunter |
Feb-11-10 12:30 PM |
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Then they're not giving you homeopathic remedies |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Feb-11-10 06:38 PM |
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If homeopathy works, then science -- all of it -- is wrong. |
FiveGoodMen |
Feb-11-10 03:00 PM |
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ok... if is all that is done, then I am a skeptic |
fascisthunter |
Feb-11-10 03:23 PM |
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My understanding is that the term Homeopathy has come to mean just that one narrow thing |
FiveGoodMen |
Feb-11-10 03:52 PM |
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ahhhh... ok |
fascisthunter |
Feb-11-10 04:31 PM |
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You'll see a little below your post, it's all about their fear and hatred of religious belief. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Feb-11-10 04:32 PM |
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Ah yes. Because if there's anyone who would know about the scientific method, it's a philosopher. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Feb-13-10 05:37 AM |
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+1 |
HuckleB |
Feb-13-10 09:49 AM |
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Why not just let con men do their thing? |
Confusious |
Feb-15-10 12:48 PM |
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The core concepts of homeopathy are nonsense. |
laconicsax |
Feb-10-10 06:04 PM |
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What horseshit. |
grytpype |
Feb-10-10 06:35 PM |
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Even for horses. |
HuckleB |
Feb-10-10 07:40 PM |
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Homeopaths Admit Expensive Concoctions Just Water |
HuckleB |
Feb-11-10 10:04 AM |
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Homeopathy, it's nothing more than shit and sugar... |
SidDithers |
Feb-11-10 12:06 PM |
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Here's an idea; if you don't like homeopathy, don't use it. |
Lorien |
Feb-12-10 01:45 PM |
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Thanks for the red herring. |
HuckleB |
Feb-12-10 02:15 PM |
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"do you run up to everyone at McDonald's and scream at them" |
FiveGoodMen |
Feb-12-10 05:35 PM |
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And that perfects the analogy. |
trotsky |
Feb-12-10 06:57 PM |
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And what happened to your claim to not have a dog in this hunt? |
HuckleB |
Feb-15-10 05:57 PM |
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And here's another one: if you don't like modern medicine don't use it. |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-16-10 08:39 AM |
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This shit's hilarious. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-12-10 02:24 PM |
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Homeopathy "works" great for things that are best treated by doing nothing and waiting. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-15-10 09:27 PM |
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So, I had a new riding instructor |
Tumbulu |
Feb-16-10 11:59 PM |
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How did I miss this thread? Oh, well...too late now. |
MineralMan |
Feb-17-10 11:16 AM |
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MPs deliver their damning verdict: Homeopathy is useless and unethical |
HuckleB |
Feb-23-10 12:12 PM |
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It's a conspiracy! |
laconicsax |
Feb-23-10 02:17 PM |
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Ouch! |
semillama |
Feb-23-10 02:21 PM |
#126 |