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Fri Nov-13-09 03:17 PM
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well then, screening for the bacteria in question may be effective?
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| -Va. teen suffers rare illness (GBS) after swine flu shot ~ CDC says "no clear link." |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:24 PM |
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how sad |
ccharles000 |
Nov-12-09 09:27 PM |
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Thankfully he's expected to fully |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:33 PM |
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And over 4,000 people have died in the U.S. |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:28 PM |
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Not sure you can make that assertion? |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:33 PM |
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Link |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:34 PM |
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That does not prove |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 09:38 PM |
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I respect your personal decision and see your point. |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:49 PM |
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That may be. |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 10:55 PM |
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You seem to be trying to have it both ways... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 02:59 PM |
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I assume no such thing. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:41 PM |
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I disagree that... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 05:39 PM |
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When people die as a result of an illness |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 07:45 PM |
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I completely agree with you Molly, about the extremism |
Chemisse |
Nov-16-09 08:01 PM |
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"It's rather like censorship. No discussion along those lines is tolerated - period." |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:29 PM |
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Vaccine odds |
Confusious |
Nov-17-09 05:29 AM |
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Do you have some kind of link? |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 01:55 PM |
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Since your so lazy......... |
Confusious |
Nov-17-09 09:32 PM |
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Lazy? This from the person who hasn't bothered to read the OP? |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 11:20 PM |
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Well, you said you doubted my numbers |
Confusious |
Nov-18-09 04:05 PM |
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The burden of proof is yours. And you've failed once again. |
mzmolly |
Nov-18-09 10:09 PM |
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You can lead an anti-vaxxers to facts |
Confusious |
Nov-19-09 02:52 PM |
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When you lead anyone to them facts you speak about |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 12:41 PM |
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My point proven |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 02:15 PM |
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Ah |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 03:03 PM |
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yep..... |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 05:52 PM |
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Nah, but thanks for kicking the |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 06:58 PM |
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Np, I hope it stays here to show |
Confusious |
Nov-20-09 07:46 PM |
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You've presented nothing resembling fact. I asked you to back up your assertion |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 08:23 PM |
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Les'see |
Why Syzygy |
Nov-12-09 09:48 PM |
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Let's See. How many people have died from GBS versus H1N1? |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 10:01 PM |
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And for those who won't even bother to read your link... |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-12-09 10:06 PM |
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I got the shot because |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 10:18 PM |
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I only butt-in when teh stupid shows up here. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-12-09 10:35 PM |
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So MSNBC is now teh stupid? |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 11:03 PM |
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And WHO is saying "no one is ever injured from any vaccine, ever"? |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 01:51 PM |
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What some say is essentially what I noted. And, it is also suggested that we NEVER |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 01:57 PM |
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We think its stupid to discuss |
Confusious |
Nov-18-09 09:46 PM |
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1/700000 = the odds of getting struck by lightening. 1 in 1000 doses |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 12:49 PM |
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That is exactly what I mean! |
Chemisse |
Nov-16-09 08:06 PM |
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Supposing even that we assume... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 04:32 PM |
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Why not assume that we could actually prevent vaccine |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:47 PM |
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Actually that wouldn't be a bad idea... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-13-09 05:12 PM |
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That's all I ask |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 05:26 PM |
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The whole GB reaction - if it is valid |
Chemisse |
Nov-16-09 08:09 PM |
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The OP left this out: |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-12-09 09:46 PM |
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Thank you. |
BeatleBoot |
Nov-12-09 09:52 PM |
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Very good point. |
HuckleB |
Nov-12-09 10:58 PM |
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The "OP" can post only four paragraphs |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 11:00 PM |
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A couple of notes. |
Jim__ |
Nov-13-09 09:02 AM |
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No clear link my foot.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-12-09 11:09 PM |
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Shhh, the only time there is a legitimate concern, is if disease |
mzmolly |
Nov-12-09 11:14 PM |
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Please compare and contrast the vaccines from the 1970s with the vaccines today. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 10:26 AM |
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Well, in comparison, both could cause Guillain-Barre syndrome. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 11:04 AM |
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Gee, that's convincing. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 11:47 AM |
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I don't know what you want from me.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 11:57 AM |
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A little intellectual honesty. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 01:06 PM |
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That research is pretty honest. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 01:12 PM |
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Yeah, so you finally looked up one piece of information on the matter... |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:11 PM |
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Yeah, I do.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:14 PM |
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In other words, you're choosing to make assumptions. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:19 PM |
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.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:24 PM |
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Prove it. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:26 PM |
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I already did. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:27 PM |
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That's one study among many. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:28 PM |
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I've been right on message the whole time. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:32 PM |
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You're on message all right. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:36 PM |
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From yourlink.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:41 PM |
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Way to pull a line out of context. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:46 PM |
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.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:47 PM |
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You really don't get it, do you? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:52 PM |
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The Mayo does say this - |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 02:51 PM |
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From reading from various sources today, I'd say that's an opinion that's not universal. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:54 PM |
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HuckleB, take a look at this. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:11 PM |
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Yeah. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:15 PM |
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Some feel they've |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:19 PM |
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If it was as simple as the bacteria, then perhaps they would have figured it out. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:43 PM |
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The Mayo said the bacteria is the most common cause. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:44 PM |
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Well, if that's what you want to go with, by all means, go with it. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:19 PM |
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The Mayo cites the CDC and others |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 07:00 PM |
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That does not mean that Mayo's conclusions are correct. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:30 PM |
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The CDC makes this claim. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:25 PM |
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I don't see the CDC making any such claim. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:30 PM |
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Then you didn't read my post #105 very carefully Huck. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:38 PM |
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Ah, yes, one little information piece, written by who knows... |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:40 PM |
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Oh c'mon. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:42 PM |
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Yeah, that's nice. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:43 PM |
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I have to say I disagree. I wish officials knew what caused the issue in 1976. |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 12:01 AM |
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Again, if eggs were the issue, the research that's been done would have found the problem. |
HuckleB |
Nov-17-09 10:14 AM |
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Do notify the CDC |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 01:52 PM |
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Is that really your response? |
HuckleB |
Nov-17-09 02:18 PM |
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How about this. I just contacted Medimune, who makes the nasal H1N1 |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 02:37 PM |
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A pasteurized egg is a dead egg. |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:12 PM |
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Ahhh, |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:17 PM |
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Perhaps... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:19 PM |
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They wont give a shit if |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:21 PM |
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I'll just do my best to avoid egg based vaccines.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:25 PM |
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I hope to see more synthetic vaccines |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:28 PM |
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Poor logic there. Here is more on gbs and campylobacter and other causes... |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:23 PM |
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An auto immune reaction could also explain why some develop GBS |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:49 PM |
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that was 1976 vaccine. this is a different one. Yes, they have changed vaccines since then |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 01:52 PM |
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How have they changed the vaccine? |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 01:58 PM |
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It is a bacteria in chicken eggs (Campylobacter) that causes GBS.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:18 PM |
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For starters... |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:28 PM |
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The article you posted touts the safety of mercury in vaccines as well. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:28 PM |
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They still use eggs to make it.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:15 PM |
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Interesting |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 02:33 PM |
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I disagree. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:38 PM |
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.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:46 PM |
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What is the conclusion of that single study? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:56 PM |
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What happened to.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:00 PM |
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Thanks for proving that your only point in being here is to play games. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:06 PM |
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Again, you make a big assumption about campylobacter, all by itself. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:31 PM |
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'76 vaccine != '09 vaccine...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-13-09 02:59 PM |
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Not really... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:02 PM |
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Are you suggesting chicken eggs cause GBS?... |
SidDithers |
Nov-13-09 03:13 PM |
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Campylobacter causes GBS... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:16 PM |
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MANY things cause GBS, including cdiff and "wtf". |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:16 PM |
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..... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 04:25 PM |
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here... |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:29 PM |
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The Mayo indicates that the bacteria in question is the most common |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:51 PM |
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Exactly. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 04:27 PM |
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It's amazing how many people had a relative who got GBS in 1976. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:07 PM |
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And how many people have told you that? |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:22 PM |
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You can make whatever assumptions you want to make. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:28 PM |
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It's amazing how many people were priestesses or shamens in past lives. |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:18 PM |
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No doubt about it. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 04:28 PM |
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I did a past life regerssion once, many yrs back, got looked at funny when I came up with only |
uppityperson |
Nov-13-09 04:32 PM |
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Hmmm. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:17 PM |
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My father caught it |
conscious evolution |
Nov-20-09 07:09 PM |
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Don’t Blame Flu Shots for All Ills, Officials Say |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:33 PM |
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Would be nice if the same officials would actually investigate |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 02:45 PM |
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Should we investigate every illness that pops up? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:50 PM |
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When people die, from like causes after a particular intervention, YES. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:15 PM |
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I really don't know what you want to be done. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:16 PM |
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As I've said |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:23 PM |
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Screening for the bacteria when? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:28 PM |
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I don't much care |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:33 PM |
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It should be part of the quality control process. n/t |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 03:40 PM |
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So how do you know that it isn't already done? |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 03:42 PM |
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I can't find any indication that is is. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 04:34 PM |
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I can't see how a vaccine would be created without such quality controls. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:15 PM |
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I'll tell you what, I'll try to reach the manufacturer(s) |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 05:28 PM |
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Well, ok then. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 05:48 PM |
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You as well. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 06:28 PM |
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They can't.... |
ingac70 |
Nov-13-09 02:51 PM |
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People do know the truth. |
HuckleB |
Nov-13-09 02:58 PM |
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I'd be more likely to be vaccinated if they would take precautionary measures. |
mzmolly |
Nov-13-09 03:26 PM |
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There's an apparent *additional* approach for protection against H1N1: |
tiptoe |
Nov-13-09 03:26 PM |
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From before the trials began. This shows the differences in surveillance between 1976 and today. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 05:47 PM |
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Did you see this part? |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:36 PM |
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Yes. |
HuckleB |
Nov-16-09 11:41 PM |
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As do I. And, I appreciate an honest look at the big vaccine picture. |
mzmolly |
Nov-16-09 11:43 PM |
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What really bothers me... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-17-09 06:30 AM |
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What about the anti-vaccine framing? |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 01:54 PM |
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I don't usually use the term 'anti-vaccine' unless I am referring to a person or group that |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-20-09 04:43 PM |
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I've heard all the arguments for mass vaccination before. |
mzmolly |
Nov-20-09 07:38 PM |
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If they are made universally available and free... |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-21-09 02:50 AM |
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Over 90% of the US population is in compliance. |
mzmolly |
Nov-21-09 02:55 PM |
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I got GBS in 1976 from the swine flue vaccine |
Christa |
Nov-17-09 03:53 PM |
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my friends dad got the swine flu shot back then |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Nov-17-09 10:37 PM |
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Oh my, |
mzmolly |
Nov-17-09 11:21 PM |
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WHO Update Re: Safety of Pandemic Vaccines |
HuckleB |
Nov-19-09 08:27 PM |
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